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Can I ask for a hand hold? It's all gotten too much :(

71 replies

HazelnutMocha · 08/12/2017 14:37

This is going to sound really silly compared to a lot of other peoples' problems but I'm sitting here in tears trying to look after my newborn and toddler. Also apologies it is so long, it has just happened a couple of hours ago and I've not really got my head on straight.

DP has ongoing issues with depression and anxiety. We have a 3 week old son and a 2 year old daughter. He has not been medicated (well, medicated by a doctor anyway) for his depression before and started very recently on sertraline, which is making him extremely drowsy to the point of not being able to function. This has been a little difficult for me to deal with as I have to deal with the newborn and my 2 year old most of the time. Frankly it's also quite upsetting seeing him basically become a zombie version of himself. He just moves around the house literally falling asleep where he stands.

It's a few of nights in a row now that I've been doing all the waking up with the newborn and he is still waking every 2 hours or so a night. My toddler then gets up and it's all go for the rest of the day until 8pm. I'm really tired and he has a few good hours from morning til late afternoon/evening where he is normal, so yesterday and this morning I asked him if he could please grab the toddler some juice and cereal (she then settles down herself watching TV so is no hassle) and feed the baby a bottle. Yesterday was met with a bit of frustration and, I;m not sure what the right word is, sort of scepticism as to why I would need him to do that or why I might need a couple of hours of unbroken sleep.

Last night was even worse; DD was terrified of the wind and wanted me to stay in her bed with her. She was up a few times and between her and the baby I was basically up all night. At 9:30am, I asked if he could do the baby's feed when he woke up naturally and he said okay, but then handed me the milk and sat down with the laptop. I was obviously upset by this; he is showing no appreciation whatsoever for the fact that I was taking on all of the housework and childcare - it seemed really out of character. Despite his flaws I would say we are really in love and good at being considerate and thoughtful to eachother, and we are really happy in eachother's company.

I was upset, tired, hormonal, but fed and settled the baby and tried to go to sleep since DP was there with DD. I can't even remember what it was as I was so tired but he was stressing at me as I was falling asleep because he had tried to touch me or something and I had told him I was upset with him for not helping me at all with the baby. When I woke up he was being very sombre and silent with me. He was clearly annoyed that I had called him out at being IMO inconsiderate and he then gave me the cold shoulder, which he does whenever we have an altercation. I hate this, it goes on for ages with both of us being grumpy and me being extra upset and frustrated because I just want to talk about our feelings, address any issues and move on, go back to being a happy couple. He never wants to do this, he prefers to wait around silently and then eventually just start talking again. I really don't like it, but we don't come to this often.

However this morning I was at the end of my tether. I was getting more and more upset as he was making out it was his depression/treatment that was causing me to be off with him, saying I was resentful of him, when all I wanted was for him to fucking acknowledge that it would have been nice of him to let me have a couple of hours sleep and now the day is again ruined because we're going to have hours of not speaking.

I for the first time called him out on him shutting down when I'm upset about his behaviour, and he eventually (after a long time of not saying anything while I tried to have a conversation and explain that I of course wasn't mad at him because of the depression, but that it is hard to deal with the kids by myself and try and look after him too) did something I really didn't expect.

He flipped out, got up, threw my laptop, and start yelling at me at the top of his voice, calling me names, amongst them he said "You're a piece of shit, I fucking hate you" :( My 2 year old DD was pottering around us; I had my newborn son in my arms. All I can see is him towering over me and yelling like that :( He has never in our five year relationship called me a name. He has never ever said anything like "I hate you". And all in front of our little children.

Am I over reacting to feel like I can't cope with staying with him? The pain and fear he caused me by acting like that, and especially in front of my tiny children, is making me feel so sick and distressed. I always said I would never put up this kind of treatment, I'd never put up with someone calling me names or making me feel afraid, or put up with someone who was willing to act anything like this in front of my children.

We've spent so much time so loved up and talking about the future, what we will do when our kids are older, planning holidays and experiences and life plans. And it feels like with just a few words it's all come crashing down around me. The pain the thought of leaving him causes in unbearable but at the moment I can't see any way past this. It was so scary and horrible :(

I'm posting partly to ask what you would do in this situation to see if I'm hugely over reacting, partly to remind myself how much he hurt and scared me in that moment so I don't minimise it to myself later, and partly to distract myself if anyone manages to read all of it and post some replies.

OP posts:
HazelnutMocha · 08/12/2017 16:17

He's messaged me this:

I'm sorry I got mad, I am. I guess I don't think about what it must have looked like to you when I got angry. I've been taking that antidepressant for 11 days and it's made me feel worse than I did before. That's the only reason I can think of for all this.

OP posts:
Offred · 08/12/2017 16:19

This particular ex was pretty good at articulating the real reason why he did this stuff. Of course there would be excuses on the surface e.g. you made me. He couldn’t/wouldn’t directly acknowledge it to me, it was just obvious from how he explained times when he did it to other people/things.

Firstly, he felt entitled to, secondly, because as he saw it, the problem was with other people who were too weak if they were upset by it. Thirdly, because he put a lot of stock in being strong and powerful and had confused this with being a bully.

He’d start in on me if I got upset, claim I was oversensitive then if I brought up that he upset other people with similar behaviour he’d say (with disgust and contempt on his face) ‘Oh him... he’s just weak’

I think though the details are always different, men who do not have emotional intelligence are inevitably men who create fear in others to cope with difficult situations and they feel entitled to do so for [insert different reasons here].

Seeingadistance · 08/12/2017 16:21

I have a small scar on my left forearm. I remember looking at the shard of glass sticking out my left arm, as I stood holding my 6 month old baby against me with my right arm.

My now ex husband punched the glass panel in our bathroom door, right beside me, as I stood there with our son in our arms.

I had asked him if he would bring our son in from the garden while I was making up his bottles.

I stayed for another 5 years, and I should have made him leave then.

OP, I'm so sorry you are experiencing this. You are clearly a strong and determined woman. He cannot excuse this or explain it away or blame it away. You say that he has a history of, let's say, difficult, thoughtless, abusive behaviour.

I really don't think he'll change.

Sorry.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 08/12/2017 16:23

Well it doesn't make it right, but at least he's acknowledged it.

Are you going to reply? If so, suggest GP appointment ASAP. But explain to him that you are EXHAUSTED and have a 3-week old newborn and a toddler and you need his help, you can't carry him as well at the moment.

Offred · 08/12/2017 16:24

And what you describe about his past behaviour is behaviour directed at you btw.

The sertraline cannot be counted out as contributing of course but this is not a case where he has been lovely and this behaviour is an aberration.

As an adult he is supposed to manage his own health. If the AD doesn’t suit him he is supposed to go back to the GP....

chestylarue52 · 08/12/2017 16:28

The temptation is there to say 'don't worry, it's ok, I love you'. But for your own sake he needs to know it's not ok and he has to take responsibility for changing things.

AdalindSchade · 08/12/2017 16:34

Did Sertraline make him lazy and unappreciative too? Hmm

HazelnutMocha · 08/12/2017 16:35

He is talking about the ADs but I'm making sure i explain to him how incredibly hurtful and unacceptable this was without acknowledging yet that he might have an excuse or any mitigating circumstances. sorry for one handed typing i am holding a baby!

OP posts:
CherriesInTheSnow · 08/12/2017 16:36

@AdalindSchade that is exactly why i was so upset the last couple of mornings, complete weird change in attitude. before that he actually enjoyed getting up with dd, and his little night shift with our boy :(

Reallycantbebothered · 08/12/2017 19:17

Please read this....unfortunately it sound like your dh has had an extreme reaction to the medication...he needs to go back to GP urgently
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37682355
Prof Healey is a renowned Psychiatrist who has done extensive research regarding side effects from these anti depressants

HappyHedgehog247 · 08/12/2017 19:34

I'm glad to see the above post about medication. If you've never seen this behaviour before in 5 years I would hold out making any firm judgements or decisions and get his medication changed asap. There are lots orb SSRI options and it maybe Citalopram or another won't cause the same issue at all.

I'm not condoning his behaviour. I left an absuive ex but from what I have read (not all of it), this sounds out of character.

NameWithChange · 08/12/2017 20:28

Hi Op, horrible shock for you.

Only you know if there were problems before now that were starting to get too much for you BUT for now (and I am really not condoning his behaviour) please bear in mind that you are in a very difficult and 'new' situation with 2 small children and an extreme lack of sleep. This situation is also new to him - along with depression and possible side effects/reaction to his medication.

I do think you both need a little breathing space. And you also need some immediate respite and rest that he clearly cannot give at the moment. Get to your mums, get some help, even if just for a day or two so you can hopefully if nothing else grab a bit more sleep.

Greedynan · 08/12/2017 20:42

He needs an urgent meds review.

What he did was completely unacceptable. I'm sorry this happened.

This is such a testing and difficult time - a tiny act and a toddler and you must still be recovering. The sleep deprivation is so hard and you're getting no let up because your husband is not on board right now.

I genuinely think, given there's no history of such behaviour, that what happened could be attributed to the medication and the stress that comes with a new baby.

GP asap. Sounds like the dosage is too high possibly, falling asleep standing up and aggression aren't ok xx

Sparrowlegs248 · 08/12/2017 20:48

Op sorry I've not rtft. My "d" h also suffersee with anxiety and depression. Untreated as he wouldn't admit it. He also yelled at me and lashed out while I was holding 3 day old ds. Ds is almost 10 months now and h finally left a couple of weeks ago. I wish he'd gone sooner . He says he's getting help and wants to sort himself out etc but tbh whatever is "wrong" with him isn't an excuse for behaving like that.

I was so worried about coping with a 2 yr old and baby alone but honestly I did most of it anyway (like you) and it's been fine. I'm happier. More relaxed.

mimp · 08/12/2017 21:39

Hi OP, I have lived with a Dad that suffered from severe depression. He has tried to kill himself several times- the last lot of medication he was on sent him crazy, my mum was driven to dispair. He came off it in the end and for the first time in over a year he is having normal conversations with his family. He did lash out at my mum, which I hated but my mums choice was to stand by him, however me and my sister left home years ago, but we both have scars from growing up with him.The memories haunt me.
I understand the need to stand by your man, I've seen the same in my mum for the last 40 odd years of my life...but I know that I have deep wounds and memories that haunt me, as my sister does. I can't advise you what to do...............but I wish my mum had put me and my sister first and not chosen my Dad over us, I'm not sure she has any idea what the cost has been to us.Not sure I'm helping but I find your thread hit home and had to comment.

PsychedelicSheep · 08/12/2017 23:28

I’m not against anti depressants as such but they’re aren’t what’s going to help him.

He needs therapy to get to the root of his depression and make meaningful changes, anti depressants will only take the edge off the symptoms and aren’t sufficient on their own.

I’d make him going to therapy a total non negotiable for staying together at this point.

Pinkpillows · 09/12/2017 08:22

DV in front of a child, MH problems

Your children suffer in the end, he should leave to sort himself out unacceptable around children

JaneEyre70 · 09/12/2017 08:41

I find it very hard when people use the "they had a hard childhood" phrase. I went through some horrid shit in my childhood as did my DH, and if anything, it's made us both better strong more determined parents that will never inflict on our children what our parents did to us. There is no justification for giving your own children a shit childhood just because you had one....
For whatever reason he is going through all of this, he needs to be away from you and your kids until he's sorted himself out. His behaviour is inexcusable, and he needs to take responsibility for himself. I hope you have family/friends that can practically help you. He needs to grow up, look at the blessings he has in his life and step up to the plate before his kids figure out what a waste of space Dad he is. Put your children first, especially because he can't. I hope things get better for you Flowers.

Peachypie83 · 09/12/2017 08:59

I'm sorry this happened to you. My DP was prescribed sertraline and he took one tablet and said never again because they made him feel so awful and spaced out.
Is your OH prepared to go to his GP and discuss the impact of the tablets? Something will definitely need to change. Flowers

Lunde · 09/12/2017 11:29

Has he made an emergency GP appointment to sort this out?
Actions speak louder than words

Nicecuppatea21 · 09/12/2017 12:23

Raise merry hell and read him the riot act. Do not give him any sympathy. Tell him that you will ring the police if he ever behaves like that again.

You have enough to deal with and he should be supporting you.

How dare he threaten you and smash things up. Sick or otherwise he should be protecting his wife and child.

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