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Boyfriend does not want to get married

113 replies

Lolosoap2 · 14/11/2017 15:43

Hi all,

This is my first time sharing on mumsnet, so please be kind if I am not using the tool properly

My boyfriend and I are both in our early 20s, we have been together for 3.5 years and we have met at the University. I must say I don't think I am particularly happy about my relationship and here is why:
Firstly, I need to tell you more about him in order for you to understand the character: he comes from a very wealthy family and grew up as a single child in Switzerland (to give you an example, he grew up having his own 40m2 playroom in his house in Switzerland facing the lake). I, on the other hand, comes from a family of entrepreneurs with very modest origins, no study background ( I am the first person in my family to attend University) but who worked really really hard and finally made it and now they have a very comfortable life.
We currently live in the same flat in Central London, we have both been to top universities in the UK and earn about the same. His working hours are 9 to 7pm, but mine, are much more like 9 to midnight/ 2am ( I work for a financial institution and I knew what I was signing up for, so no worries on that end). Ever since we moved in together, I must say I have been feeling slightly like a 14 years old constantly receiving orders from her parents.
I do not commit to the cleaning/ organising of the house as much as I should, due to my long working hours and I know that pretty well. However I do pay a cleaning lady to come 2 times a week for 2 hours to take care of what I am not able to do (she does my laundry, and clean up the bathroom, change the sheets, clean up the kitchen, tidy the flat). But still, every morning, he screams (Yes he screams a lot) at me and dresses lists of what I have not been doing around the house ( I did not take care of the bills, nor participated in the latest IKEA order choices, or did not put the bean downstairs). I must say that I feel like the heavy lifting of the house, is done by the cleaning lady that i pay alone 2 times a week. Even if I explain him, look it is 8 am, I left work at 3 am and slept 4 hours, can we discuss this later, he continues on and on, follows me in the flat screaming, gets more angry if I am not responding and always complain about feeling like a home husband. Then when he calms down, we have to sit and he dresses long lists of what I need to improve with my personality, name all my flaws and ask me if I have a plan to change these flaws (the flaws are my lack of organisation, my selfishness, my non-structure in taking care of the flat, my lack of responsiveness when criticism are being made). I then need to explain the plan and then we can move on. He also picks up on every thing I do not do in a preferred manner. So he does not like the way I yawn (apparently I make a noise that he dislikes (and I yawn a lot because I am quite often tired when I am working late) and make constant comments and sometimes scream for this reason. I refrain from yawning or hide to yawn in order not to end up in the vicious circle, of screaming, insulting, explaining plan and apologising again and again. On top of that I am screamed at and he implies on a daily basis that I am very stupid ( every day almost, I would hear something like, "You are brain dead", "You are an idiot", "No wonder you lost your first job" ( My first job ever when I was 21, company decided they did not need so many new hires and fired half of the new hires,you can imagine it was a traumatic experience))
I must say, I feel like he is not supporting of my work (he knows it is temporary, only for a year or two, and it will allow me to start an amazing career afterwards with more normal hours). He does not understand that I don't come from a wealthy family and I have decided to work very hard to make a comfortable life for myself. I feel like my entire life is about making him comfortable and making sure his needs are met. I work very hard, and when I am home I need to make all the efforts in the world to make sure everything is set according to his will (not yawning, spend my week ends taking care of the house while he is in the pub or partying to avoid being screamed at etc). I don't know why I love this person, I think I have developed some sort of dependence. What really worried me is the following: He does not want to get married and wants to live in Switzerland. I know that if I stay with him, regardless of whether I would like to get married and live in France (my home country) I would have no choice. It is just about realising that I have no say in how we conduct our lives, I can only receive orders and follow these orders. Otherwise get screamed at. I feel like he is very verbally violent with me (screaming, insulting) and uses this to intimidate me.
Also, he is the kind of guy that behaves like a real sweetheart to his friends, and everyone loves him. If I left him I would completely lose my social network, I would have nowhere to live, and I still love him. I even think, maybe if I just do everything he is asking for I can avoid getting into troubles and live a quiet life. But it kills me to have no say in anything

Have you been through similar situations or with men with similar behaviours? What did you do? Am I being unreasonable and should I simply accept the fact that my job and professional ambitions are the problem? Is it ok to expect more support from him (having him do most of the stuff around the house because I work so much)?

Completely lost to be honest with you

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 14/11/2017 18:05

Find a flatshare. Make like you are going to work so he leaves the house. Ring in sick. Get your stuff whilst he is out. LEAVE. Write a note, 'This relationship is over. I am no longer going to tolerate your abuse. Do not contact me.' Ghost him. Just block him on everything. You owe him nothing. If he shows up at your work or harasses you in any way, you go to the police.

FetchezLaVache · 14/11/2017 18:06

This man is fucking awful and I bet you folding money that when you dump him, ALL of your friends will tell you how relieved they are and that they never liked the way he treated you, but kept quiet to avoid alienating you.

Please leave him, OP - he won't change (or if he does, he will change for the even worse) and it will never get better.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 14/11/2017 18:07

Leave him, and leave behind the stuff he's trying to make you pay half of. If you want to pay him back for anything else, then that's fine but FFS you don't owe him half of a TV he didn't want.

The friends thing is harder. I don't have an explanation for the way people behave, even the way I behaved when I was younger. I guess at a simplest level I didn't have the confidence to say 'hey, fuck off and leave her alone'. I wanted to be accepted by the group and to have the group's approval, which then creates a weird double think situation.

But that shouldn't make you stay. Either some of these friends will turn out OK and make an effort to keep in touch, or they won't. You'll make new friends.

MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet · 14/11/2017 18:08

You definitely don't owe him for things he chose to purchase. If you do split, he gets to keep the TV - therefore, he pays for it. If you keep the TV, you pay for it - easy.

The guy's an idiot and will only drag you down. It's not normal to talk to your partner like that. You do not want to marry someone like this; you have too much potential. I assume you're leasing an apartment together, so you just need to work out what your alternative living situations are and get out of there. Will the landlord let you sign the lease over to your boyfriend?

As for your friends, don't feel like there is no support there. They might not want to get involved as you say. Also, there's so many situations where friends have idiotic/abusive partners, but until a friend realises that themselves, it's difficult to know if you should get involved. You also never know, as a friend, if a person is serious about leaving and it's worth expressing your own reservations, or if they're just going to stay with the knob, and then you know they know your real feelings about them!!

MiniTheMinx · 14/11/2017 18:16

Can you afford to live in central London on your own, on your salary? Are you legally obliged to pay back this money on this app thing? can he make you pay? Who pays the bills now? Who pays for the flat?

UnicornInTraining · 14/11/2017 18:19

Just read about the friends and debt part.

Friends - either your friends just do not know how to react at the moment (pretty common) and their current lack of reaction is no indication of whether or not they will support you if you break up. Or you absolutely need better friends who will not condone abuse. Ultimately though, your happiness should not depend on what a bunch of people will think of your choice.

Debt - you do not owe him anything for purchases he has done without you expressly agreeing on them before. Legally this is not an actual debt. Sort out what you actually morally owe him, pay that back with a loan if you can/need. Or agree on an installment plan. Alternatively, get angry that he tried to financially own you and refuse to pay anything. And get out.

Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh OP, I do not mean to be, but dickheads like your boyfriend really make me angry. Go have a great career and friends and find that man who will value you!

PNGirl · 14/11/2017 18:31

You know this is the kind of man who will put all the expenses on an app when you are on maternity leave and expect to split it in half still - right?

He is sexist, abusive, and doesn't like you very much. Get rid!

SugarMiceInTheRain · 14/11/2017 18:38

In short, no, you won't change him because he is abusive. It's not you, it's him that is the problem but because of his abusive manner (and possibly his spoilt upbringing) he thinks he is entitled to abuse and manipulate you in order to get his own way. Yes, it would be nice if he would stop being horrible to you but unfortunately that's who he is - he is telling you loud and clear who he is. Get out now and find someone who deserves you, because he sounds like a nasty little man, who will ruin your life and happiness if you stay with him.

TammySwansonTwo · 14/11/2017 18:38

Oh lovely lady. I know what you're thinking - you're thinking there's an actual problem here, a tangible issue and if you could just find it and fix it, you'd be happier together.

What you will realise sooner or later is that there is no tangible problem to be fixed. HE IS THE PROBLEM. He doesn't love you, he loves to control you. He's got you indebted to him for things he wanted, got you paying for a cleaner and still guilting you, got you stifling your own yawns FFS. And when you learn not to yawn, he'll suddenly complain that you breathe weirdly or eat too loudly, and chip away at that natural behaviour too until you're looking to him for permission to take a breath.

You can't fix this, I promise you. It's best you figure this out now and don't waste any more of your youth on this man.

BenLui · 14/11/2017 18:45

You aren’t in dept to him for a TV and furniture you didn’t agree to buy.

However the solution to that is simple - leave him and the furniture behind.

Look on the app and work out what you actually owe and pay that back.

Btw - re the friends. It’s hard to intervene in someone else’s relationship. Often your friends will follow your lead. You didn’t react to him being nasty to you so neither did they. You may find that once you leave him they’ll all tell you how thrilled they are that you got out.

If not make new friends.

Trailedanderror · 14/11/2017 18:46

I don't understand why you want to marry him. Confused

PoshPenny · 14/11/2017 18:49

Get rid of him, he will only get worse the older he gets. You will never be happy with him. What a dreadful way to live.

FreshStartToday · 14/11/2017 18:52

Sweetheart, the only good thing about this man is that, when you have moved on and built a life for yourself, you will have a good idea of the red flags to look out for in a partner.

A relationship should be about building you both up. I have a friend who introduced me to his new girlfriend with the words "This is the girl I've been waiting for. She teaches me something new every day."

There's more to life than work and arguments. Home should be the place that you can chill out, pamper each other, enjoy friendship and laughter and love.

You only live once. Please make an exit plan, sign up for the Freedom Programme online (it will be the best £10 you have ever spent) and then start to enjoy your life, and enjoy yourself. You will find people who want to enjoy it with you and not to put you down/control you.

Branleuse · 14/11/2017 18:58

You are incompatible. You were very young when you got together. You do not get on anymore. It happens. Its sad, but its time to move on.

GinnyBaker · 14/11/2017 19:05

don't be me.

I spent my 20s with a similar bloke, finally got away at 30. Spend 3 years alone recovering from that shit. Then met dh. Married. Tried to have a baby at 35 and encounteted unbelievable shit and five losses.

Had a baby in the end by the absolute skin of my teeth after 4 years of hell.

And i'd thrown away ten healthy years on a pig.

(Btw, there were reasons why i thought it was ok for someone to treat me so badly and it would be worth figuring out what has resulted in your low valuing of yourself and building yourself up. )

Dragongirl10 · 14/11/2017 19:08

Why are you even bothering...he is a horrible bully and yes abusive...you are an independant intelligent woman with no ties to him, no children.

Stop worrying what others(friends)) think and leave.

StormTreader · 14/11/2017 19:25

The thing is, THIS IS AS GOOD AS ITS GOING TO BE. He's been taking advantage of you left, right and centre. I'm surprised he DOESNT want to marry you because he'd have even more control over you if he did that than he already does, I suspect its the knowledge that youd get half his cash in the divorce thats stopped him.

Tell him he can keep the TV because youre not paying for it, he can keep all the stuff you bought "together" (ie he bought for himself) and make a start on a new life without his screaming toddler self in it.

sunshineinabag · 14/11/2017 19:30

You must be feeling a bit shocked Lolo, I doubt you were expecting for us all to be so appalled by him and for so many to be calling it what it is - abuse.

You're a smart girl, take the time you need but then take your freedom

Goodasgoldilox · 14/11/2017 19:49

When people show you who they are - believe them!

He won't change. He is rich... and mean. He is also dangerously controlling. He doesn't want to marry you or live where you want. He doesn't love you but your love gives him power over you.

You need to be free to find someone who will love you as you deserve.

Friends that drop you after the breakup were never really friends.

KarmaStar · 14/11/2017 20:53

Walk away from this man.he is controlling with anger issues.the signs are not just clear they are flashing neon.
He,(nobody)has no right to scream at you telling you to change.
As a person with many years experience first hand of domestic abuse I plead with you to get out of this relationship.
He will undermine your confidence,your self belief,your ambition.
I know it is not easy but please,for your own sake,leave.don't look back.he will not change.
I wish you all the best.

KarmaStar · 14/11/2017 20:58

P.S.,if you'd like to pm me I'm happy to help you 🌻

GruffaloPants · 14/11/2017 21:08

The problem is him.

Thank goodness he doesn't want to get married.

Don't be tied to him. Have a nice life without him. He won't improve.

trojanpony · 14/11/2017 21:16

Run like the wind... this man is not your life partner...

Cambionome · 15/11/2017 06:59

Run. Start now.

zippey · 15/11/2017 07:34

You want to get married and eventually start a family. If your son or daughter was being treated like this by a partner you would tell them to get out wouldn't you?

Also why is it YOUR job to handle cleaning etc when you work the most hours.

Him shouting at you, calling you names etc is going to bring down your confidence.

I wouldn't be trying to change him. He is who he is and you are better off trying to find someone who has a better nature. Push comes to shove he might change for a while, but they always come back.

But you need to want to leave too rather than trying to find a way to save your relationship.

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