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Boyfriend does not want to get married

113 replies

Lolosoap2 · 14/11/2017 15:43

Hi all,

This is my first time sharing on mumsnet, so please be kind if I am not using the tool properly

My boyfriend and I are both in our early 20s, we have been together for 3.5 years and we have met at the University. I must say I don't think I am particularly happy about my relationship and here is why:
Firstly, I need to tell you more about him in order for you to understand the character: he comes from a very wealthy family and grew up as a single child in Switzerland (to give you an example, he grew up having his own 40m2 playroom in his house in Switzerland facing the lake). I, on the other hand, comes from a family of entrepreneurs with very modest origins, no study background ( I am the first person in my family to attend University) but who worked really really hard and finally made it and now they have a very comfortable life.
We currently live in the same flat in Central London, we have both been to top universities in the UK and earn about the same. His working hours are 9 to 7pm, but mine, are much more like 9 to midnight/ 2am ( I work for a financial institution and I knew what I was signing up for, so no worries on that end). Ever since we moved in together, I must say I have been feeling slightly like a 14 years old constantly receiving orders from her parents.
I do not commit to the cleaning/ organising of the house as much as I should, due to my long working hours and I know that pretty well. However I do pay a cleaning lady to come 2 times a week for 2 hours to take care of what I am not able to do (she does my laundry, and clean up the bathroom, change the sheets, clean up the kitchen, tidy the flat). But still, every morning, he screams (Yes he screams a lot) at me and dresses lists of what I have not been doing around the house ( I did not take care of the bills, nor participated in the latest IKEA order choices, or did not put the bean downstairs). I must say that I feel like the heavy lifting of the house, is done by the cleaning lady that i pay alone 2 times a week. Even if I explain him, look it is 8 am, I left work at 3 am and slept 4 hours, can we discuss this later, he continues on and on, follows me in the flat screaming, gets more angry if I am not responding and always complain about feeling like a home husband. Then when he calms down, we have to sit and he dresses long lists of what I need to improve with my personality, name all my flaws and ask me if I have a plan to change these flaws (the flaws are my lack of organisation, my selfishness, my non-structure in taking care of the flat, my lack of responsiveness when criticism are being made). I then need to explain the plan and then we can move on. He also picks up on every thing I do not do in a preferred manner. So he does not like the way I yawn (apparently I make a noise that he dislikes (and I yawn a lot because I am quite often tired when I am working late) and make constant comments and sometimes scream for this reason. I refrain from yawning or hide to yawn in order not to end up in the vicious circle, of screaming, insulting, explaining plan and apologising again and again. On top of that I am screamed at and he implies on a daily basis that I am very stupid ( every day almost, I would hear something like, "You are brain dead", "You are an idiot", "No wonder you lost your first job" ( My first job ever when I was 21, company decided they did not need so many new hires and fired half of the new hires,you can imagine it was a traumatic experience))
I must say, I feel like he is not supporting of my work (he knows it is temporary, only for a year or two, and it will allow me to start an amazing career afterwards with more normal hours). He does not understand that I don't come from a wealthy family and I have decided to work very hard to make a comfortable life for myself. I feel like my entire life is about making him comfortable and making sure his needs are met. I work very hard, and when I am home I need to make all the efforts in the world to make sure everything is set according to his will (not yawning, spend my week ends taking care of the house while he is in the pub or partying to avoid being screamed at etc). I don't know why I love this person, I think I have developed some sort of dependence. What really worried me is the following: He does not want to get married and wants to live in Switzerland. I know that if I stay with him, regardless of whether I would like to get married and live in France (my home country) I would have no choice. It is just about realising that I have no say in how we conduct our lives, I can only receive orders and follow these orders. Otherwise get screamed at. I feel like he is very verbally violent with me (screaming, insulting) and uses this to intimidate me.
Also, he is the kind of guy that behaves like a real sweetheart to his friends, and everyone loves him. If I left him I would completely lose my social network, I would have nowhere to live, and I still love him. I even think, maybe if I just do everything he is asking for I can avoid getting into troubles and live a quiet life. But it kills me to have no say in anything

Have you been through similar situations or with men with similar behaviours? What did you do? Am I being unreasonable and should I simply accept the fact that my job and professional ambitions are the problem? Is it ok to expect more support from him (having him do most of the stuff around the house because I work so much)?

Completely lost to be honest with you

OP posts:
GallicosCats · 14/11/2017 17:16

TL;DR. Why would you want to marry him?

Don't talk. Don't reason with him. Don't try and win any arguments. Just get the hell out.

LemonShark · 14/11/2017 17:18

Um, I don't see how you are in debt to him for a TV he bought for his own entertainment that you specifically said you didn't want? Am I missing something?

LemonShark · 14/11/2017 17:19

I've used a similar app (splitwise) in the past for shared expenses in a house share like takeaways and cleaning product. If one of the housemates added a tv to the account that wouldn't mean we were all automatically liable to pay a share of it, ya know? Apps like that aren't legally binding debt. They're an indication of what you owe each other for shared expenses, not random items someone has chucked on there.

sunshineinabag · 14/11/2017 17:21

This guy is a complete cunt

FizzyGreenWater · 14/11/2017 17:23

What really breaks my heart is how our friends have witnessed this behaviour but never, ever said anything. Of course they don't want o get involved and I can understand that. But it just this feeling of not getting any support, I just don't know who to call a friend anymore.

His slapped my hand, I just always felt like one day he would hurt me. The most bizarre thing is that our friends looked at us, some became red, but no reaction. I just don't know how I will react towards my friends, who never ever reacted, I am not sure I am being fair, maybe they thought about not making comments in order for things not to escalate.

Your updates are pretty encouraging actually. I predict you'll keep your friends, or most of them anyway.

What you describe is common. People don't like to cause trouble. People are embarrassed to witness and to know situations like this and don't know what to say. People are like this at 50, let alone in your twenties when everyone is less experienced and just doesn't know what to do to handle situations like this.

What I see is;

-your friends know what he's like and they don't like it and it embarrasses them and they feel sorry for you (going red, looking away, not saying anything - not exactly comfortable behaviour, is it?)

  • they don't know what to say partly because they see him screaming and ranting and they don't want to cause a scene and they don't want to make it worse for you.

I predict that once you leave him and the dust has settled, most of these friends will gravitate to you. Because you are nicer, kinder, a better friend, and you don't scream and tantrum and cause embarrassing scenes. And you don't treat people like utter shit and hit and abuse them in front of them.

Please, PLEASE leave him. All your instincts are correct. You haven't even been with him that long! - you have your WHOLE LIFE ahead of you and there are so many loving, generous, funny, caring men you could be meeting.

I had two relationships longer than yours before I met my husband. Two decades later, three years is just so nothing.

Leave. Talk to your parents about helping you out financially - is that possible? Pay them your debt instead of him? Take out a loan with them as guarantor, and pay him off? One less thing for him to screech and rant about.

FizzyGreenWater · 14/11/2017 17:24

Er, hang on, update! Fuck that. You do not owe him a penny for a TV he chose to buy.

He's utterly abusive. You must get away. This guy will literally ruin your life if you let him take hold any further.

Do you own or rent the flat?

Dozer · 14/11/2017 17:27

If the “debt” is to him and not a company in your name, don’t pay it. Get the hell out of there!

expatinscotland · 14/11/2017 17:30

Dear god! He is abusive. Why are you paying a cleaner to clean his fucking house, too? He doesn't love you, in fact, he despises you. There is NO excuse for screaming at you, or any of the other abuse he doles out. And those 'friends', you're not losing them because they are not friends in the first place. You are NOT in any debt to him. Please, please, please get onto some sites for abused women, including threads on here.

He is abusive. He is abusive. He is abusive. He will NEVER change, he'll get worse.

Raisedbyguineapigs · 14/11/2017 17:32

That account split sounds horrendous. He's not treating you. He's using you to pay for half his stuff! You are very young with a brilliant future ahead of you by the sounds of it. If your friends would rather you stayed to pout up with this abuse rather than you rock the boat, they aren't real friends. My best friends now I'm in my 40's I met when I was 25 in my first proper job. We like each others partners and get on really well, but they are my friends and have my back no matter what. I hardly know anyone from uni, apart from on facebook. Don't throw away your future on this abusive bully.

Angelf1sh · 14/11/2017 17:33

That tv is not your responsibility to pay for, you didn’t ask for it and you didn’t want it (I’m damn sure that he wouldn’t let you take it if you left, or pay half the cost back to you - he’d just assert that the tv was his). It’s noy remotely the same as sharing the cost of a meal out. Do not pay a penny towards it.

HolyShet · 14/11/2017 17:39

You both sound utterly miserable, the situation sounds utterly miserable.

If he behaves like this at 25 he is going to be a nightmare at 40.

You are young and you have all your life ahead of you. Pay him back his £3500 and tell him to stick his list of your personal failings up his overprivileged backside.

HolyShet · 14/11/2017 17:42

WHAT - sorry just read the update
fucks sake you don't owe him money
He wanted to do things he could afford because he is independently wealthy - he said he'd pay for you. Not loan you the money to facilitate his expensive choices. He can keep the telly.

You will be a million times happier without him doing you down and messing with your head.

bunbunny · 14/11/2017 17:47

It sounds like he wants a whipping dog, cash cow and slave rather than an equal partner!

No way should you pay half of the cost of the tv - because when you leave you're not going to be able to take half of it with you... He is the one that wanted an expensive tv, not you and you said so.

Likewise, with lots of the meals where he was the one that chose expensive restaurants when you were a student, told you he would pay but still expected you to pay half... Just out of interest - can you put exact details in (so if you had pasta and a glass of wine, he had lobster thermidor and a bottle of wine - would it split it half and half or by the exact amounts you spent)? Having read about the rest of his behaviour he sounds entitled enough to think that bills should be split half and half even when he is having something much more expensive than you, although I'm probably projecting on that!

Have you got access to tricount to go through it and see how much of it is actually money that you feel you want to share - so when he did a supermarket shop and bought loo rolls, milk and pizza, vs money where you might have wanted to contribute some but not as much as is on the account (where he chose an expensive restaurant that you couldn't afford when you suggested a cheap and cheerful meal) and where he's taking the piss (the tv) - and work out what you actually owe him rather than what he would like to think that you owe him - another way of him controlling you as he knows you don't have money behind you like he does.

How much cleaning does he do? Make sure you tot up all the money that you have spent on cleaning that he hasn't and deduct that from the money he reckons you owe him. Also - does he drop things and expect you to pick them up or is he tidy/clean by nature? Remember to talk to him about you both getting equal free time so if he starts to shout about you not doing things ask him why he didn't do it then as you have not had time to.

I would also make sure that next time he starts shouting at you that you record it on your phone if you're able to without him noticing. Save it where he can't delete it. Then you'll always remember what he is like and know you did the right thing to leave him.

What would happen if you said actually, you're annoying me with the way you chew/yawn/shout? Would he shout back louder or is it only him that is allowed to criticise in this relationship? If so (and I suspect it is, from his point of view) then you need to ask yourself - why? Why is it not a partnership? Who made him boss?

I have to go - but please please leave this man - I bet you many of your friends who have seen his behaviour and flushed but stayed silent will know exactly what he is like, but they didn't want to be on the end of his temper either...

bengalcat · 14/11/2017 17:48

Dump him he's an abusive dick - keep your lovely self and your cash for yourself and someone who will come along and deserve you

expatinscotland · 14/11/2017 17:49

Never mind totting up monies or paying him FA. LEAVE!

FloraFox · 14/11/2017 17:49

You don't owe him this money. This is another huge red flag and more abusive behaviour.

Honestly, get rid. Don't give him a chance to weedle his way back in with you, just move out.

Vari757 · 14/11/2017 17:51

Holy shit, this guy is a cunt. Financially abusive as well as a bully. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing.

SuperPug · 14/11/2017 17:54

Please leave him and keep this thread going if you want.
He is disgusting. Your friends don't sound much better if they condone it and it doesn't sound like you'll lose much of a friendship group. It sounds like you have a lot going for you and aren't tied to him in any way. Leave now and live a better life.

MrsMotherHen · 14/11/2017 17:55

Get rid of the cunt.

SuperPug · 14/11/2017 17:56

Remove yourself from the shared account and set up a paying back scheme. It sounds like this won't be awful if your job is fairly well paid

SuperPug · 14/11/2017 17:57

Ah sorry flu brain. Stuff the television and paying back for that.

GreenTulips · 14/11/2017 17:57

Can you look for a flat share and just move out? Why are you even bothering to sort this out? Just leave and don't give him a penny!!

misscheery · 14/11/2017 17:57

First of all, I don’t know why I’m saying this, but I need to say it: have no fucking clue why people sacrifice so much time for work! I, too, work for a financial institution, however I try to finish my work and leave on time so I can have a fairly decent personal life. However this is not the topic, so I will try to stick to that.

I’d fucking dump him. He sounds like an arshole and you sound like a truly wonderful person. Thank God he doesn’t want to marry, that would probably screw you for good. Please leave, OP.

UnicornInTraining · 14/11/2017 18:01

"If only he could change"

Even if a dickhead could technically turn into Mr Perfect overnight not, people are not projects. You cannot change them.

He is abusive AND sees the future very differently from you on crucial aspects (marriage, where to live, work/life balance).

Run away. You will never in a million years be worse off without him than you currently are with him.

Lozmatoz · 14/11/2017 18:04

Didn’t need to read to the end. This man is abusive, he is abusing you, he will not stop, it will get worse and you will start to believe the things he comes out with. Get out now. You deserve kindness and respect.

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