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Is my partner gaslighting me/being emotionally abusive?

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WorriedAndPregnant · 03/11/2017 00:40

I have name changed for this as it is very identifying. It will be an exceptionally long post, for which I apologise. If you do have time to read it through or skim it, I would be so grateful for your perspective.

I am pregnant, which has coincided with starting a new job in a new city, and moving in with my partner of ten years (we had not lived together full time before that, for various reasons). The pregnancy was unplanned, but we had talked of trying for a baby in a year or two, and were due to get married next spring (when the baby is now due). I'm late twenties, he is mid thirties. Timing was not ideal at all (my new job etc) but I had always said to him that I would almost certainly keep a child if I fell pregnant, and sex was on those terms.

My partner started off being positive about the pregnancy, but there has been a shift in his behaviour since then. I feel like he is being emotionally abusive and could really do with some outside perspectives. I am just going to list things in roughly chronological order, all within the last couple of months.

I was suffering from hyperemesis and fatigue for the first three months; when he said he was going out to an event for the evening, I said I had hoped we might be able to have night in and that perhaps he would cook something. He made me feel simultaneously that I was boring and self-destructive for not going out, and that I was unreasonable for asking him if he would mind staying in (brief context: this was a one-off thing, when I was feeling particularly exhausted, and he is freelance, working a fewer, flexible hours from home while I am the main earner and have unavoidably long hours). Two days later, he categorically said that he was someone who needed to have his meals cooked for him sometimes (I do do this; before being ill and pregnant it was almost always me).

When we were rushing to catch a bus and I was feeling sick, I didn't say I was feeling sick as I knew he wanted that particular bus and would be annoyed to wait and then miss it; when I said at the bus stop that I felt sick, he said I was "immature" for not having told him before, and then insinuated first that the morning sickness was in my head (or I was playing it up), and then secondly that it was real, but somehow my fault. I said in fact, morning sickness was associated with a lower rate of miscarriage, showing him an article after he said he found that "very hard to believe". His response was, "ah, but that is morning sickness and you are ill all day." (This is symptomatic of the fact he has shown no interest in researching pregnancy, yet is full of opinions.)

I had previously suffered an early miscarriage (his baby), during which I woke up alone in bed in a pool of blood. I said it would mean a lot if he could sleep in the same bed with me in the first weeks (bed is a small double, and he said he was sleeping awfully so wanted to move downstairs; in fact, I've had a bit of insomnia and have heard him snoring for hours). He kept saying it was better for me too to sleep alone and I was just being difficult and getting a fixed idea in my head.

At a friend's wedding, he went off in a strop because he felt I hadn't paid him enough attention/been interested enough in his conversation when we were sitting beside one another at dinner.

At another wedding, he got cross with me, which I later found out was because I had allegedly looked at him "with disgust" after he said something or other to the person he was beside. (I certainly didn't.) This bad mood continued the next day, when we went for an early scan and he showed no emotion and said he did not want to talk about it afterwards.

On a train that evening, I wrote to a friend that the weekend had been difficult as partner was sulking, qualifying this by saying things were no doubt very difficult for him. He saw what I wrote, and when I apologised for upsetting him he said "get away from me; don't touch me" and refused to take a taxi home with me, walking instead.

He said my telling my friend this was a "betrayal of trust" and I was "treating him appallingly". He went out for dinner with a friend of his and the next day quoted what he the friend had said to him: "In whose hands was the contraception?", saying it was a "very interesting point". He also laid into me again about telling my friend, I retreated to the bathroom crying, and he said, "Is this the behaviour of an expectant mother? Maybe a sixteen-year-old one."

The next night I came home to a note on my pillow saying "Going out. Tonight. Might stay out. No need to call police etc." (On another occasion, he'd been out till late without saying anything and when he got back I said I had been worried.)

He was out late all that week, while I was feeling very ill, and on the Friday, when I had friends over, he did not come home at all (without saying he was going to stay out).

On the morning of my booking appointment, I asked if he wanted to come. He said "If you had wanted me to come, you would have told me before." I had told him, put it on noticeboard and put it on Google Calendar. I said that, being positive, should I book a taxi to allow him time to get ready? He eventually said he would come so that I didn't have the opportunity to tell lies about him to a stranger. At the booking appointment, when the midwife asked if I had any serious psychiatric disorders (this is separate from the depression question, which I had answered -- I have suffered from depression in the past), he interjected with "I think there are some undiagnosed ones."

I had previously mentioned I might go to stay with a friend for a couple of weeks to get through to the end of term (teacher); he was out every night, would barely make me a cup of tea, and was just being so negative. At this point he offered to stay in and make dinner, and after doing so added that he would "love to hear" what I say to my friends about him not making me dinner, when in fact he does. He then said that on the advice of a family member, he had decided it was worth talking to me to see if he could change my mind about moving out. This talking to me mainly involved reading out a list of my faults and those of my family, with the occasional, "I'll leave those ones out; I think they would be too devastating for you to hear," culminating in saying that despite all this, he loved me and wanted to fight for this and make it work. He was then all affectionate, but I did move away as planned.

We met up to open the results of a prenatal test together, and at this point he was very emotional and apologetic, saying he could never make things up to me but wanted to try to make things up to our child, and that whenever I was ready to move back, he was ready to try to make things up to me and look after me. I didn't move back at once, but did spend more time with him on weekends. When I asked if he had had a chance to research pregnancy, morning sickness etc, he said he had not and was "not naturally inclined to do so" and maybe I needed to be with somebody "straight-laced" (the implication being, I suppose, that artists such as himself cannot be bogged down with the mundanity of medical facts!). We watched a documentary about pregnancy and childbirth, which I had suggested doing after he had talked about "managing his expectations" concerning the birth (I'm favouring a home birth or one in the Midwife Led Unit), which he had imagined as being "like in the romcoms, with the man supportive while the woman swears at him from the hospital bed". He watched this very grudgingly, and afterwards said he could not relate to any of the people in it and birth should be a private thing.

One Sunday, he said he wanted to make sandwiches for lunch then go to the park. I said could I take him out for a panini, instead of making sandwiches (it was already after 2pm). After eating, I asked if we should go to the park. He said "It's always on your terms; you always get your way." Later, he called me "uptight" for suggesting the baby should have both our surnames (not just his) and said his mother said she had been like me once, and that she hoped I would "grow out of it". Afterwards, I was enthusiastically preparing for a special event at school; he said I was putting too much into it, and when I said I was enjoying it he said "when you give to one part of your life, you are taking from another."

I did eventually move back at the end of term, as planned, and we went out for the evening, with strict instruction from him to focus on us and not talk about the baby. I was getting extremely bad stabbing pains in my stomach and called 111 to check if it could be related to the pregnancy. The next day, he said I had been making sure I was "as in pain as possible". He also complained that since I have been pregnant I have started to "look different". I think this is weight-related but not sure.

When I invited him out to town he came along for a bit and then said he could "picture in his mind" that he was going to have a bad time with me, and left.

This is getting far too long, but in general he is always saying that I am the only reason he is miserable, that I make him miserable, that I have changed, I am not the person he knew, I am the one who is mentally ill. He calls any disagreement a "circular argument" and refuses to engage with it, so it is extremely difficult to move forward. He feels I "abandoned him" by temporarily moving out to get through the last weeks of term. He will say he is not sure he wants the baby (and when the baby was already twelve weeks, and he had known about it for seven, he informed me that he had been considering persuading me to abort it as we would have another chance to have a child [not necessarily true: I have suspected PCOS, as he knows]), that he is resentful of his loss of freedom, that I have been unreasonable in asking him to give up his career (I haven't; as he works part-time on a freelance basis in the arts I had once mentioned there is a lot to be said for a steady income, even if this is just from a job for a couple of days a week; but this was partly as he'd said he was finding it hard to concentrate on his projects because of money worries and the fact his time was taken up with lots of bitty side-jobs here and there). He also says that I am abusive and it would be abusive of me to take the child away from him if I suggest we could be be better apart.

I'm currently visiting family, and on the phone today, after he had said within five minutes I had made him miserable after he had been joyfully happy for days, and I again said maybe we need to think about one of us moving out, he said "I am not going to let you ruin my life, Worried, I'm just not" and hung up.

I feel he is very unwell and needs help, but I don't know how to get him help because he projects it all on me, and says I am the cause of everything that is wrong while simultaneously not wanting to let me go. I find a lot of what he has said and done extremely hateful, feel gaslighted, and do not see how I can stay with him. But I am worried about being a single parent, and sad and in shock, because I have loved him so much and although the last years were not without problems, there had been nothing like this.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? What is the best thing to do? We are tied into a rental contract together for several months. I am the main earner but will only qualify for Maternity Allowance once I go on leave, as I was already pregnant when I started my job. I had been relying on either his financial support while I was on maternity leave, or on his support with childcare if I went back to work sooner.

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bastardkitty · 04/11/2017 06:48

You are absolutely right about him OP. You cannot talk to him or sort anything out. He is 100% a headworker. Please get as far away from him as possible and cut all contact. Do not put him on the birth certificate or think that he will play any helpful or meaningful part in your baby's life. You will regret it.

BackInTheRoom · 04/11/2017 09:15

'Part of me wanted to wait to see if fatherhood would transform him and he would step up/reform once the baby was here. But it sounds like this is a previously hidden character trait coming to the fore, rather than a temporary madness.'

Looking after a newborn will test you both and I'm not sure he's mature enough to rise to the occasion. I reckon he'd be as jealous as hell about the baby. He'd hate the attention wasn't on him.

Ah OP you have put up with so much gaslighting it's unreal. He needs help but like so many, they don't think they need it or qualify for it. I know Narcissism is like a buzzword atm but reading about him, he does actually sound like one? If he is, there's no changing him, it's hard-wired in the brain.

Being a single mother will be so much easier then pacifying him and always second guessing him. You'll feel so 'lite' away from his weird thinking!

Tealdeal747 · 04/11/2017 09:26

Whatever you do don't let him put his name on the birth certificate.

ElsieMc · 04/11/2017 09:50

What a joyless existence you will have if you stayed with this man. You can be happy with your baby and start again. You will not be allowed to pay the baby attention and he will sulk and control you. If he is like this now, he will be much worse when the baby comes. His mindgames will escalate.

He sounds absolutely intolerable and I don't know how you have put up with him for this long. It is absolutely not normal in any way, shape or form.

notapizzaeater · 04/11/2017 09:56

You need to get away from him, his behaviour could escalate as you get stronger to ‘break’ you

RestingBitchFaced · 04/11/2017 10:02

He's a nasty bully. Please leave while you can - it will be so much more difficult with a newborn baby. He sounds vile

WorriedAndPregnant · 04/11/2017 16:44

user1499 I am so very sorry to hear what you have been through. I hope you can rebuild your life.

Thank you all for the wake-up calls. I can well imagine that he could be jealous of the baby, though hadn't thought it before reading your replies. But now I remember he actually said a while ago, "Do you know how it makes me feel to hear you say the baby must come first?" He is away for a couple of days so I hope I can start to sort things out.

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Maelstrop · 04/11/2017 17:30

Jesus Christ, op, walk away NOW! He is controlling, emotionally abusive and sounds like a narcissist. Horrific, frankly.

bastardkitty · 04/11/2017 17:37

Do not show him this thread OP. He will get worse when he knows you are on to him. Plan quietly and go.

Cricrichan · 04/11/2017 22:24

I'm absolutely speechless op. Get as far away from this vile man as you can. Raising a child alone is a million times better than having to deal with the shit that man spews out on a daily basis.

Tell your family and friends everything you've told us. They need to know exactly what he's like in case you waiver.

All the best in your pregnancy and life op xxx

midsomermurderess · 04/11/2017 23:09

It almost sounds like he’s jealous and if he is behaving like this now, what will he be like when the child is born? I felt quite anxious and tired just reading about his behaviour, never mind having to put up with it. I think he is being busive and trying to blame you for how he feels, making you dance to his tune. If it was me, I would seriously be thinking of moving or asking him to move. It just sounds so grim.

Dappledsunlight · 04/11/2017 23:47

He sounds like he has narcissistic tendencies and I fear things will escalate. I would have serious concerns about getting involved with this person. Sorry OP. You'd be better off raising your child alone.

Atenco · 05/11/2017 00:47

Sure, unless he goes to court, demands a dna test, his name on the birth certificate and access. You wouldn’t be holding the very cards very long if he chose to exercise his rights.

That may well happen, but let him jump through the hoops if needs be rather than handing it to him on a plate.

On the flip side not naming him means he has no financial responsibility towards the child

AFAIK, they still have a financial responsibility in the UK, even if their name isn't on the birth cert. In my case I did have to give up the possibility of asking for child maintenance, but it was well worth it.

Twillow · 05/11/2017 09:33

RED FLAGS RED FLAGS RED FLAGS...very much narcissism.
It sounds like you are becoming aware of it though and writing everything down has helped clarify. As a non-narcissist you cannot try and reason with this kind of behaviour, there is no justification except in the inner dialogue of the other party.
As a non-narcissist, what you reasonably expect is a conversation that goes something like this:
A: What shall we eat?
B:I fancy Chinese.
A: I'm not that keen on Chinese today.
B: OK, what about that new curry place?
A: Yes let's give it a go.

Whereas with a narcissist you get:
A: What shall we eat?
B:I fancy Chinese.
A: I'm not that keen on Chinese today. (heckles rise, this is going to be trouble)
B: You never want what I want blah blah blah

I left too late. My children are suffering the consequences of living with a traumatic home life for too long. But I was paralysed by the abuse.

Tookawrongturnsomewhere · 05/11/2017 10:27

I really feel for you OP. He s making it all your fault. I had that for many years with my now ex and wish I had been as clear as you earlier on with identifying his behavior as wrong. My DCs had to live with it for too long which I feel bad about and I ended up with severe stress and wierd heart problems after trying to keep it all together and constantly trying to make it all work and taking blame for everything. From what you write you sound really level and clear despite everything.. I hope that you can put yourself first and despite the love you have for him still.. Disengaging from these mind games and keep yourself strong no matter what it takes.

WorriedAndPregnant · 05/12/2017 11:52

In case anyone comes on here in the future, either a pp or someone in a similar situation to me, I wanted to give an update.

I arranged a place to move out to first, and then said we needed to talk. At first he prevaricated, avoiding me, but eventually we arranged a time and he said "You're not going to completely destroy me, are you?". The talk really showed how horrendous he is. He had prepared a long list of questions he wanted me to answer. Clearly very jealous of the baby, desperately trying to worm himself out of any responsibility for it while feeling no guilt for doing so. Asking endless pointless questions about what I think the "fair preconditions" of having a child are (FWIW, early last year, after being split up for a while, I said to him there was no point in getting back together if he did not want to start trying for a baby soon - he was gung-ho about it; no apology now for having changed his mind). Pretty sure he was recording me, and repeatedly trying to get me to say I'd previously claimed I could afford to bring up a child on my own (I hadn't). Wondering why my dad is angry (hmm, could it maybe - just maybe - be because of DP's behaviour?) and saying that my family accepting him as the father of his child was not good enough: they needed to "embrace" him. I had decided to keep as neutral and calm as possible; he ended by saying "you're going to take my child, and you're going to take my money" and repeatedly calling me a "taker". There was worse stuff in the conversation but really I am just writing to say I am out of there - left straightaway after talking - and feel so much better, though completely exhausted. I'm not in touch with him but he came to the anomaly scan (my mum was there too) in a sulky, hard-done-by strop. I asked him if he would like to choose an ultrasound image to take home; he wouldn't look at them or at me, and just said "bye" to my mum before walking off.

I feel so relieved to be out of the toxic situation of living with him, no intention of getting back together and don't want anything to do with him. I sort of wish I had just gone without talking to him, though it did help cement in my mind how dreadful he is. Part of me wants to tell him what I think of him (I was restrained when talking to him) but probably there's no point.

I'd urge anyone in a similar situation to leave sooner rather than later! It isn't going to get better.

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paap1975 · 05/12/2017 12:00

So glad you're out. It sounded horrific!

MyMushroomsInATimeSlip · 05/12/2017 12:33

Well done op! You've been so brave. Now you know exactly what he's like (and it sounds like everyone else does too). Onwards and upwards - concentrate on you and your baby and enjoy the freedom from abuse xx

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 05/12/2017 12:51

Well done OP. So glad you're out. Concentrate on you and baby now.

Do you have a long-term plan for living? Are you back at home?

Really hope you can enjoy the rest of your pregnancy. And enjoy freedom! Flowers

LostInTheTunnelOfGoats · 05/12/2017 13:03

Well done OP. As someone who was once in a similar position I can assure you that you have done the right thing. Men like that don't change.

Don't chase him for contact. Let him come to you. I don't think he will, in which case all the better - less chance that he will ruin your child just to spite you

WorriedAndPregnant · 05/12/2017 14:51

Thank you all.

GreenFingers, I am renting near work, but will move back to family for maternity leave. Very lucky to have that option!

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DiscontinuedModelHusband · 05/12/2017 15:29

Good decision WAP!

A friend was in a similar situation (though married), and he didn't change. If anything the reduced attention he got after the baby came made him worse.

Came home with a dog one day, "so he had someone on his side"!
Grin

She's with someone much better now!

smartiecake · 05/12/2017 15:46

Only just come across this thread but so glad to hear you are out and away from him. He is exactly the sort of Man who would be jealous of the baby and still expect you to make a big fuss of him despite having a tiny baby to look after. It would be much more exhausting with him than on your own. Well done and don't look back and enjoy every moment with your little one when they arrive

Offred · 05/12/2017 16:04

Ah WAP! I read before but didn’t comment, it is SO good to read your update. I’m so very sorry he turned out to be such an awful person but also so very glad you have got out before the baby comes.

I feel sure he would have spent the early weeks bitterly punishing you whilst you would have gone without other support because everyone would have assumed he was doing it.

Flowers
donerwillbehere · 09/12/2017 06:36

Have read from the beginning. Well done 👍 for taking control of the situation, I know first hand of how HARD that must of been . You are a strong no nonsense women . I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a very peaceful new year .

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