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Is my partner gaslighting me/being emotionally abusive?

136 replies

WorriedAndPregnant · 03/11/2017 00:40

I have name changed for this as it is very identifying. It will be an exceptionally long post, for which I apologise. If you do have time to read it through or skim it, I would be so grateful for your perspective.

I am pregnant, which has coincided with starting a new job in a new city, and moving in with my partner of ten years (we had not lived together full time before that, for various reasons). The pregnancy was unplanned, but we had talked of trying for a baby in a year or two, and were due to get married next spring (when the baby is now due). I'm late twenties, he is mid thirties. Timing was not ideal at all (my new job etc) but I had always said to him that I would almost certainly keep a child if I fell pregnant, and sex was on those terms.

My partner started off being positive about the pregnancy, but there has been a shift in his behaviour since then. I feel like he is being emotionally abusive and could really do with some outside perspectives. I am just going to list things in roughly chronological order, all within the last couple of months.

I was suffering from hyperemesis and fatigue for the first three months; when he said he was going out to an event for the evening, I said I had hoped we might be able to have night in and that perhaps he would cook something. He made me feel simultaneously that I was boring and self-destructive for not going out, and that I was unreasonable for asking him if he would mind staying in (brief context: this was a one-off thing, when I was feeling particularly exhausted, and he is freelance, working a fewer, flexible hours from home while I am the main earner and have unavoidably long hours). Two days later, he categorically said that he was someone who needed to have his meals cooked for him sometimes (I do do this; before being ill and pregnant it was almost always me).

When we were rushing to catch a bus and I was feeling sick, I didn't say I was feeling sick as I knew he wanted that particular bus and would be annoyed to wait and then miss it; when I said at the bus stop that I felt sick, he said I was "immature" for not having told him before, and then insinuated first that the morning sickness was in my head (or I was playing it up), and then secondly that it was real, but somehow my fault. I said in fact, morning sickness was associated with a lower rate of miscarriage, showing him an article after he said he found that "very hard to believe". His response was, "ah, but that is morning sickness and you are ill all day." (This is symptomatic of the fact he has shown no interest in researching pregnancy, yet is full of opinions.)

I had previously suffered an early miscarriage (his baby), during which I woke up alone in bed in a pool of blood. I said it would mean a lot if he could sleep in the same bed with me in the first weeks (bed is a small double, and he said he was sleeping awfully so wanted to move downstairs; in fact, I've had a bit of insomnia and have heard him snoring for hours). He kept saying it was better for me too to sleep alone and I was just being difficult and getting a fixed idea in my head.

At a friend's wedding, he went off in a strop because he felt I hadn't paid him enough attention/been interested enough in his conversation when we were sitting beside one another at dinner.

At another wedding, he got cross with me, which I later found out was because I had allegedly looked at him "with disgust" after he said something or other to the person he was beside. (I certainly didn't.) This bad mood continued the next day, when we went for an early scan and he showed no emotion and said he did not want to talk about it afterwards.

On a train that evening, I wrote to a friend that the weekend had been difficult as partner was sulking, qualifying this by saying things were no doubt very difficult for him. He saw what I wrote, and when I apologised for upsetting him he said "get away from me; don't touch me" and refused to take a taxi home with me, walking instead.

He said my telling my friend this was a "betrayal of trust" and I was "treating him appallingly". He went out for dinner with a friend of his and the next day quoted what he the friend had said to him: "In whose hands was the contraception?", saying it was a "very interesting point". He also laid into me again about telling my friend, I retreated to the bathroom crying, and he said, "Is this the behaviour of an expectant mother? Maybe a sixteen-year-old one."

The next night I came home to a note on my pillow saying "Going out. Tonight. Might stay out. No need to call police etc." (On another occasion, he'd been out till late without saying anything and when he got back I said I had been worried.)

He was out late all that week, while I was feeling very ill, and on the Friday, when I had friends over, he did not come home at all (without saying he was going to stay out).

On the morning of my booking appointment, I asked if he wanted to come. He said "If you had wanted me to come, you would have told me before." I had told him, put it on noticeboard and put it on Google Calendar. I said that, being positive, should I book a taxi to allow him time to get ready? He eventually said he would come so that I didn't have the opportunity to tell lies about him to a stranger. At the booking appointment, when the midwife asked if I had any serious psychiatric disorders (this is separate from the depression question, which I had answered -- I have suffered from depression in the past), he interjected with "I think there are some undiagnosed ones."

I had previously mentioned I might go to stay with a friend for a couple of weeks to get through to the end of term (teacher); he was out every night, would barely make me a cup of tea, and was just being so negative. At this point he offered to stay in and make dinner, and after doing so added that he would "love to hear" what I say to my friends about him not making me dinner, when in fact he does. He then said that on the advice of a family member, he had decided it was worth talking to me to see if he could change my mind about moving out. This talking to me mainly involved reading out a list of my faults and those of my family, with the occasional, "I'll leave those ones out; I think they would be too devastating for you to hear," culminating in saying that despite all this, he loved me and wanted to fight for this and make it work. He was then all affectionate, but I did move away as planned.

We met up to open the results of a prenatal test together, and at this point he was very emotional and apologetic, saying he could never make things up to me but wanted to try to make things up to our child, and that whenever I was ready to move back, he was ready to try to make things up to me and look after me. I didn't move back at once, but did spend more time with him on weekends. When I asked if he had had a chance to research pregnancy, morning sickness etc, he said he had not and was "not naturally inclined to do so" and maybe I needed to be with somebody "straight-laced" (the implication being, I suppose, that artists such as himself cannot be bogged down with the mundanity of medical facts!). We watched a documentary about pregnancy and childbirth, which I had suggested doing after he had talked about "managing his expectations" concerning the birth (I'm favouring a home birth or one in the Midwife Led Unit), which he had imagined as being "like in the romcoms, with the man supportive while the woman swears at him from the hospital bed". He watched this very grudgingly, and afterwards said he could not relate to any of the people in it and birth should be a private thing.

One Sunday, he said he wanted to make sandwiches for lunch then go to the park. I said could I take him out for a panini, instead of making sandwiches (it was already after 2pm). After eating, I asked if we should go to the park. He said "It's always on your terms; you always get your way." Later, he called me "uptight" for suggesting the baby should have both our surnames (not just his) and said his mother said she had been like me once, and that she hoped I would "grow out of it". Afterwards, I was enthusiastically preparing for a special event at school; he said I was putting too much into it, and when I said I was enjoying it he said "when you give to one part of your life, you are taking from another."

I did eventually move back at the end of term, as planned, and we went out for the evening, with strict instruction from him to focus on us and not talk about the baby. I was getting extremely bad stabbing pains in my stomach and called 111 to check if it could be related to the pregnancy. The next day, he said I had been making sure I was "as in pain as possible". He also complained that since I have been pregnant I have started to "look different". I think this is weight-related but not sure.

When I invited him out to town he came along for a bit and then said he could "picture in his mind" that he was going to have a bad time with me, and left.

This is getting far too long, but in general he is always saying that I am the only reason he is miserable, that I make him miserable, that I have changed, I am not the person he knew, I am the one who is mentally ill. He calls any disagreement a "circular argument" and refuses to engage with it, so it is extremely difficult to move forward. He feels I "abandoned him" by temporarily moving out to get through the last weeks of term. He will say he is not sure he wants the baby (and when the baby was already twelve weeks, and he had known about it for seven, he informed me that he had been considering persuading me to abort it as we would have another chance to have a child [not necessarily true: I have suspected PCOS, as he knows]), that he is resentful of his loss of freedom, that I have been unreasonable in asking him to give up his career (I haven't; as he works part-time on a freelance basis in the arts I had once mentioned there is a lot to be said for a steady income, even if this is just from a job for a couple of days a week; but this was partly as he'd said he was finding it hard to concentrate on his projects because of money worries and the fact his time was taken up with lots of bitty side-jobs here and there). He also says that I am abusive and it would be abusive of me to take the child away from him if I suggest we could be be better apart.

I'm currently visiting family, and on the phone today, after he had said within five minutes I had made him miserable after he had been joyfully happy for days, and I again said maybe we need to think about one of us moving out, he said "I am not going to let you ruin my life, Worried, I'm just not" and hung up.

I feel he is very unwell and needs help, but I don't know how to get him help because he projects it all on me, and says I am the cause of everything that is wrong while simultaneously not wanting to let me go. I find a lot of what he has said and done extremely hateful, feel gaslighted, and do not see how I can stay with him. But I am worried about being a single parent, and sad and in shock, because I have loved him so much and although the last years were not without problems, there had been nothing like this.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? What is the best thing to do? We are tied into a rental contract together for several months. I am the main earner but will only qualify for Maternity Allowance once I go on leave, as I was already pregnant when I started my job. I had been relying on either his financial support while I was on maternity leave, or on his support with childcare if I went back to work sooner.

OP posts:
Themummy76 · 03/11/2017 08:21

Abuse often only starts when the woman is pregnant or you get married.

Stop doubting yourself. Please stand by your guns and do split properly.

It’ll only get worse if you stay with him.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 03/11/2017 08:23

So even if this isn't abuse (I can't work out if it is or if he's just a dick, same difference though) answer me one question: are you happy?

Because if the answer is no, then leave. Really, that's all it takes. You have a right to be happy and you will be happier on your own than with this man, whatever title we give his behaviour.

laurzj82 · 03/11/2017 08:25

I don't very often say this but definitely LTB!

You do not want a man like that around your child, especially since things appear to be escalating.

I am sure there will be lots of people on here with practical advice on what to do but having been in an EA relationship myself, my advice would be to run, run, run.

Tugtupite · 03/11/2017 08:27

Well I read all of your post, and now feel both exhausted and rather nauseous Angry. Awful man and frightened for you and your baby at the thought of how I expect he'll behave towards you both in future. Horrible stuff. Please get out before the baby is born Flowers

Hermonie2016 · 03/11/2017 08:28

I really feel for you as being pregnant is such a vulnerable time.

You are describing someone emotional abusive.
He is seking to undermine your self esteem as that makes it easier for him to be in control.He is likely to be projecting so listen to what he is accusing you of.Don't however believe you can fix him.He seems to display characteristics of NPD and until you have been in a relationship like this it's hard to explain to outsiders.You need to know you are not causing his behaviour however.

Don't feel guilty for moving out, that was actually a sensible reaction to his lack of care.He is reacting to you valuing yourself and will try to make you feel guilty.

What you are describing isn't going to get fixed and likely to get worse.Fundamentally those with NPD are incapable of loving another person so you will never have the caring relationship you want or deserve.

Practically, how long until maternity leave? Do you have any savings or could family lend to you so you can have manage maternity leave? Try to find out what benefits you will be entitled to.I met a wonderful single mum in her late 20s who had been alone since early pregnancy and she absolutely thrived.You just need some support, friends or family, for difficult times BUT it is easier being a single mum than living in an abusive relationship.

Do not give the baby his surname, even double barrelled absolutely no benefit to you and he could make life difficult in regard to travelling in later life.

I think you have enough coping skills to do this solo.Good luck

Dairymilkmuncher · 03/11/2017 08:28

WorriedAndPregnant

Leave him and start a fresh he doesn't sound supportive at all and he could get better but he could get worse and when you're at your most vulnerable with a baby it sounds like a terrible gamble to take.

I've been a single mum I know it's not a walk in the park but really my life with a newborn on my own was bliss compared to what you've just described.

msatlantis · 03/11/2017 08:28

Your post is so strikingly similar to my first ever MN post. I'm not sure how to post a link to it.

I left my then-DP, half-way through my pregnancy. It was incredibly hard, but the right decision. I have a very happy DS now. No more walking on eggshells or manipulation.

As well as being emotionally abusive, it sounds as though your partner is a narcissist, possibly a functioning sociopath. He sounds just like my ex-DP.

Be brave.

Butteredparsn1ps · 03/11/2017 08:29

He sounds like an abusive man child.

Your Child Deserves better

You deserve better.

Flowers
ChocoMunchi · 03/11/2017 08:36

You should read up on narcissistic behaviours, this is classic narcissistic abuse.

Having just finally got out of a 20 year relationship with a narcissistic STBXH! Don’t waste more time contemplating if this behaviour is ok.... it’s not!

And narcissistic behaviour is a choice not a condition... this is not you it’s him no matter how much he tries to blame you.

mamasiz · 03/11/2017 08:36

Please get out op. I am virtually giving you a massive hug after reading what is happening to you. You do not deserve this. I am currently pregnant and could not and would not stand for this massively abusive behaviour. He should be kissing your feet for everything you’re going through! Pregnancy is bloody hard work! Sorry if this has already been answered - do you have a close friend or family member to confide in? Someone that will help you to make plans and separate from this man? Thinking of you. Let us know how things go and be well.

OutComeTheWolves · 03/11/2017 08:41

I don't know if he's abusive it not but he sounds like a bellend and you sound unhappy. Life's to short to stay in such a miserable relationship. You don't owe him anything but you do owe it to yourself to be happy.

Also I second the poster who asked about complications. I had a bit of a tear and ended up incontinent and needing injections for a couple of weeks after the birth. My dh (who is far from perfect) injected me every day without fuss and despite anything remotely gross making him feel sick, cleaned up on more than one occasion after I'd shit myself without a second thought and without ever mentioning it or using it against me/as a bargaining chip or even a joke. Tbh I think I love him more for this than anything else he's done before or since. Take a second to ask yourself if a situation arises where for a few days or whatever you're fully dependent on his care, would he make things better for you or worse?

hellsbellsmelons · 03/11/2017 08:44

he went off in a strop because he felt I hadn't paid him enough attention/been interested enough in his conversation
And this is way before you'll be giving all your attention to a tiny baby who will need you 24/7
A lot of abusers show their true colours during pregnancy.
And they get far far worse once the baby his here.

You've recognised what is going on now.
So you need to act.
What is the housing situation?
Is it a joint mortgage or rented?

He's vile and he's abusive.
This will NOT improve it will only get worse.
Do NOT give the baby his surname at all.
Just yours. Don't have him there when you register the birth.
Don't tell him when you are registering the birth.
Do this without him but with the support of your family and friends.

You are intelligent and if you've been on here for a while then you know that you and your DC deserve far better this.

stubbornstains · 03/11/2017 08:47

I left my ex at 4 months pregnant, after one tirade too many (followed by an angry flounce and him driving home massively over the limit. Luckily we didn't live together). It was definitely the right decision to make. I still allowed him in our lives throughout the pregnancy and DS2's early days though, to "help" - helpful it was, but at the price of further abuse.

I have never regretted ending it with him, although sometimes regret not having made a complete clean break sooner. I have now, and feel happy and stable. He has the DC (one from a previous relationship) EOW and one night in the week, and this gives me a much needed break. I shudder at the thought of where I'd be if I hadn't ended things with him.

Do you face penalties for leaving your rental early? Have you lived there for less than 6 months? I understood that, on a standard short hold tenancy, once you'd lived there for 6 months you only had to give one month notice?

Fragglewump · 03/11/2017 08:48

Final piece of advice. Do not name him on the birth certificate. He will still be liable for child maintenance but you will not have to negotiate with an abisuve arse for the next 18 years. He can prevent you from making choices such as living abroad if you name him. If you’re not sure then let him prove what a great date/co-parent he is first. You can add him on as parent whenever you like but once he’s on there you can never take him off!

Bobbins43 · 03/11/2017 08:48

He sounds like he is an utter drain on you. Physically and emotionally. He’s treating you appallingly. I’m not sure he wants this baby and I very much doubt that his behaviour is going to improve with a newborn in the house. I would be moving out as fast as his humanly possible. This man is not good for you. At all. In any way.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 03/11/2017 08:49

“It sounds as if he really despises you. I don't think you should spend a moment longer in his company.“

This ^^

You are an intelligent, hard working woman. You WILL be absolutely fine without this nasty man.

He WILL get worse. Can you imagine this nastiness directed at your child?

Get out of there and do not look back.

letsdolunch321 · 03/11/2017 08:55

Hi there,

I can only agree with all the ither posters here, get away from this vile specimen.

I totally agree with Atenco that being a single mum is better than being with a person who is twisted in the head. Am sure you will get good support from your friends & parents

Look after yourself & good luck

Bluntness100 · 03/11/2017 09:00

The relationship is over, and yes you need to leave, you do have to put his name on the birth certificate, you cannot deny your child trhr right to know their father no matter how abusive he is. He should also step up and pay child support, whatever that is.

You can’t live like this, and you don’t want a child brought up in this atmosphere. He clearly doesn’t want a child, and will resent both you and the child, any noise he makes about wanting it, is out of a sense of duty and what people will think of him. He wants you to go and to take your child with you. It really is that simple. I’m sorry, 💐

Reflexella · 03/11/2017 09:03

Good to see your update - keep talking to your supporters.

I was where you are some years ago whilst pregnant. I wouldn’t recognise myself now, I’m a complete bad ass single Mum.

He changed - he felt trapped because of the pregnancy, he threatened to leave me if baby was disabled, he treated me with contempt.

During pregnancy & post natal my anxiety was so bad leaving the house was difficult. Luckily I have great support to recognise that this wasn’t right.

I wouldn’t recognise myself now - anxiety went out of the door with the relationship. My confidence has grown. I feel calm & in control. I feel less lonely. Let go of any single parent hang ups.

Not to make this about me, I just want to give you a story from the other side that it can be done x

MrsBertBibby · 03/11/2017 09:03

you do have to put his name on the birth certificate, you cannot deny your child trhr right to know their father no matter how abusive he is

No, you don't, and yes, you can.

Ultimately a court will decide if he makes an application. You howvee should do what you believe to be best for the child.

TammyswansonTwo · 03/11/2017 09:10

When I became pregnant, I was immediately really unwell. I couldn't move, I felt so weak and at one point I thought I might be dying, I've never felt anything like it. My husband and I were supposed to be visiting my sis and BIL and the boys had tickets to go to a football match. I was too sick to go (about 9 weeks at that point) but sent my husband without me. Apparently my sister spent the weekend commenting that I was being ridiculous and that other people work through pregnancy and I couldn't just do nothing for 9 months. My husband lost it with her as he was the only one who knew how unwell I was (turned out it was twins and my body struggled to cope until about 14 weeks).

He definitely would not have been the one giving me a hard time. Honestly you need to get out of there. Is there anyone you can stay with until your contract is up? Is your LL reasonable? Often they'll happily advertise the flat now and stop your contract when they find someone, makes no difference to them really if it's now or in a few months, although some will be dicks about it.

This is only going to get worse. He sounds bloody awful.

MrsMozart · 03/11/2017 09:13

Worried It's a shock to you and you'll need to get your head and heart around it for sure. Life with just you and your babe will be so much better without all the OH stress and eggshell walking.

girlwhowearsglasses · 03/11/2017 09:20

Oh dear. I will resort to cliche : run to the hills, LTB and tell him to FTFOTTFSOH.

I really hope you can get away and start your lovely new life with your baby without the emotional abuse this man is giving.

SOLIDARITY

sirbedevere · 03/11/2017 09:22

I haven't read other responses, but this bloke is awful. AWFUL. I'd be getting the fuck away from him and focusing on creating a safe, comfortable space for you and your baby. He's a knobhead at best, evil at worst.

BarbarianMum · 03/11/2017 09:27

Oh love, that post reads like the red flag primer - and all since you got pregnant too. Sad At the very, very best he's a selfish arse but more likely he's an abusive arsehole - what a life for you! You're already on eggshells around him, unable to ask for support or share your feelings with him. Please, for your sake, for the sake of your baby, leave this relationship before he has the chance to really make you miserable.

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