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Is my partner gaslighting me/being emotionally abusive?

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WorriedAndPregnant · 03/11/2017 00:40

I have name changed for this as it is very identifying. It will be an exceptionally long post, for which I apologise. If you do have time to read it through or skim it, I would be so grateful for your perspective.

I am pregnant, which has coincided with starting a new job in a new city, and moving in with my partner of ten years (we had not lived together full time before that, for various reasons). The pregnancy was unplanned, but we had talked of trying for a baby in a year or two, and were due to get married next spring (when the baby is now due). I'm late twenties, he is mid thirties. Timing was not ideal at all (my new job etc) but I had always said to him that I would almost certainly keep a child if I fell pregnant, and sex was on those terms.

My partner started off being positive about the pregnancy, but there has been a shift in his behaviour since then. I feel like he is being emotionally abusive and could really do with some outside perspectives. I am just going to list things in roughly chronological order, all within the last couple of months.

I was suffering from hyperemesis and fatigue for the first three months; when he said he was going out to an event for the evening, I said I had hoped we might be able to have night in and that perhaps he would cook something. He made me feel simultaneously that I was boring and self-destructive for not going out, and that I was unreasonable for asking him if he would mind staying in (brief context: this was a one-off thing, when I was feeling particularly exhausted, and he is freelance, working a fewer, flexible hours from home while I am the main earner and have unavoidably long hours). Two days later, he categorically said that he was someone who needed to have his meals cooked for him sometimes (I do do this; before being ill and pregnant it was almost always me).

When we were rushing to catch a bus and I was feeling sick, I didn't say I was feeling sick as I knew he wanted that particular bus and would be annoyed to wait and then miss it; when I said at the bus stop that I felt sick, he said I was "immature" for not having told him before, and then insinuated first that the morning sickness was in my head (or I was playing it up), and then secondly that it was real, but somehow my fault. I said in fact, morning sickness was associated with a lower rate of miscarriage, showing him an article after he said he found that "very hard to believe". His response was, "ah, but that is morning sickness and you are ill all day." (This is symptomatic of the fact he has shown no interest in researching pregnancy, yet is full of opinions.)

I had previously suffered an early miscarriage (his baby), during which I woke up alone in bed in a pool of blood. I said it would mean a lot if he could sleep in the same bed with me in the first weeks (bed is a small double, and he said he was sleeping awfully so wanted to move downstairs; in fact, I've had a bit of insomnia and have heard him snoring for hours). He kept saying it was better for me too to sleep alone and I was just being difficult and getting a fixed idea in my head.

At a friend's wedding, he went off in a strop because he felt I hadn't paid him enough attention/been interested enough in his conversation when we were sitting beside one another at dinner.

At another wedding, he got cross with me, which I later found out was because I had allegedly looked at him "with disgust" after he said something or other to the person he was beside. (I certainly didn't.) This bad mood continued the next day, when we went for an early scan and he showed no emotion and said he did not want to talk about it afterwards.

On a train that evening, I wrote to a friend that the weekend had been difficult as partner was sulking, qualifying this by saying things were no doubt very difficult for him. He saw what I wrote, and when I apologised for upsetting him he said "get away from me; don't touch me" and refused to take a taxi home with me, walking instead.

He said my telling my friend this was a "betrayal of trust" and I was "treating him appallingly". He went out for dinner with a friend of his and the next day quoted what he the friend had said to him: "In whose hands was the contraception?", saying it was a "very interesting point". He also laid into me again about telling my friend, I retreated to the bathroom crying, and he said, "Is this the behaviour of an expectant mother? Maybe a sixteen-year-old one."

The next night I came home to a note on my pillow saying "Going out. Tonight. Might stay out. No need to call police etc." (On another occasion, he'd been out till late without saying anything and when he got back I said I had been worried.)

He was out late all that week, while I was feeling very ill, and on the Friday, when I had friends over, he did not come home at all (without saying he was going to stay out).

On the morning of my booking appointment, I asked if he wanted to come. He said "If you had wanted me to come, you would have told me before." I had told him, put it on noticeboard and put it on Google Calendar. I said that, being positive, should I book a taxi to allow him time to get ready? He eventually said he would come so that I didn't have the opportunity to tell lies about him to a stranger. At the booking appointment, when the midwife asked if I had any serious psychiatric disorders (this is separate from the depression question, which I had answered -- I have suffered from depression in the past), he interjected with "I think there are some undiagnosed ones."

I had previously mentioned I might go to stay with a friend for a couple of weeks to get through to the end of term (teacher); he was out every night, would barely make me a cup of tea, and was just being so negative. At this point he offered to stay in and make dinner, and after doing so added that he would "love to hear" what I say to my friends about him not making me dinner, when in fact he does. He then said that on the advice of a family member, he had decided it was worth talking to me to see if he could change my mind about moving out. This talking to me mainly involved reading out a list of my faults and those of my family, with the occasional, "I'll leave those ones out; I think they would be too devastating for you to hear," culminating in saying that despite all this, he loved me and wanted to fight for this and make it work. He was then all affectionate, but I did move away as planned.

We met up to open the results of a prenatal test together, and at this point he was very emotional and apologetic, saying he could never make things up to me but wanted to try to make things up to our child, and that whenever I was ready to move back, he was ready to try to make things up to me and look after me. I didn't move back at once, but did spend more time with him on weekends. When I asked if he had had a chance to research pregnancy, morning sickness etc, he said he had not and was "not naturally inclined to do so" and maybe I needed to be with somebody "straight-laced" (the implication being, I suppose, that artists such as himself cannot be bogged down with the mundanity of medical facts!). We watched a documentary about pregnancy and childbirth, which I had suggested doing after he had talked about "managing his expectations" concerning the birth (I'm favouring a home birth or one in the Midwife Led Unit), which he had imagined as being "like in the romcoms, with the man supportive while the woman swears at him from the hospital bed". He watched this very grudgingly, and afterwards said he could not relate to any of the people in it and birth should be a private thing.

One Sunday, he said he wanted to make sandwiches for lunch then go to the park. I said could I take him out for a panini, instead of making sandwiches (it was already after 2pm). After eating, I asked if we should go to the park. He said "It's always on your terms; you always get your way." Later, he called me "uptight" for suggesting the baby should have both our surnames (not just his) and said his mother said she had been like me once, and that she hoped I would "grow out of it". Afterwards, I was enthusiastically preparing for a special event at school; he said I was putting too much into it, and when I said I was enjoying it he said "when you give to one part of your life, you are taking from another."

I did eventually move back at the end of term, as planned, and we went out for the evening, with strict instruction from him to focus on us and not talk about the baby. I was getting extremely bad stabbing pains in my stomach and called 111 to check if it could be related to the pregnancy. The next day, he said I had been making sure I was "as in pain as possible". He also complained that since I have been pregnant I have started to "look different". I think this is weight-related but not sure.

When I invited him out to town he came along for a bit and then said he could "picture in his mind" that he was going to have a bad time with me, and left.

This is getting far too long, but in general he is always saying that I am the only reason he is miserable, that I make him miserable, that I have changed, I am not the person he knew, I am the one who is mentally ill. He calls any disagreement a "circular argument" and refuses to engage with it, so it is extremely difficult to move forward. He feels I "abandoned him" by temporarily moving out to get through the last weeks of term. He will say he is not sure he wants the baby (and when the baby was already twelve weeks, and he had known about it for seven, he informed me that he had been considering persuading me to abort it as we would have another chance to have a child [not necessarily true: I have suspected PCOS, as he knows]), that he is resentful of his loss of freedom, that I have been unreasonable in asking him to give up his career (I haven't; as he works part-time on a freelance basis in the arts I had once mentioned there is a lot to be said for a steady income, even if this is just from a job for a couple of days a week; but this was partly as he'd said he was finding it hard to concentrate on his projects because of money worries and the fact his time was taken up with lots of bitty side-jobs here and there). He also says that I am abusive and it would be abusive of me to take the child away from him if I suggest we could be be better apart.

I'm currently visiting family, and on the phone today, after he had said within five minutes I had made him miserable after he had been joyfully happy for days, and I again said maybe we need to think about one of us moving out, he said "I am not going to let you ruin my life, Worried, I'm just not" and hung up.

I feel he is very unwell and needs help, but I don't know how to get him help because he projects it all on me, and says I am the cause of everything that is wrong while simultaneously not wanting to let me go. I find a lot of what he has said and done extremely hateful, feel gaslighted, and do not see how I can stay with him. But I am worried about being a single parent, and sad and in shock, because I have loved him so much and although the last years were not without problems, there had been nothing like this.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? What is the best thing to do? We are tied into a rental contract together for several months. I am the main earner but will only qualify for Maternity Allowance once I go on leave, as I was already pregnant when I started my job. I had been relying on either his financial support while I was on maternity leave, or on his support with childcare if I went back to work sooner.

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meowimacat · 03/11/2017 09:32

As someone who left an EA relationship this year after going through the pregnancy and 4 years of abuse with this person...get out NOW.

Can you imagine the damage caused to your child if you stay? I left when my ex put me down on mothers day in front of my DC - told them I was a "useless mother" etc.

I left it too long. Don't stay and hope he'll change. Don't fall for his promises and begging for you back.

You are a mother now and you need to be strong for you and your child. He has big problems. He's clearly not ready for a baby, but also doesn't want to lose you so is going to put you down so you never feel like you can move on and do better than him. Get out now.

WorriedAndPregnant · 03/11/2017 15:53

Thank you all very much for taking the time to give such insights and practical advice. I wish I could reply to you all individually. I have read all your posts and appreciate them all.

He is likely to be a product of his own dysfunctional upbringing, what if anything do you know about his family background because that often gives clues. As far as I know he comes from a family that is loving but has problems; in my opinion, they often have their heads in the sand about these problems. He is defensive about his family, but recently said to me, "No wonder your father is so ashen and pale: he is emotionally exhausted from having to deal with a daughter like you."

Is there anyone you can stay with until your contract is up? Is your LL reasonable? I wouldn't want to stay with a friend until the contract is up as that is not until the summer (and baby due in spring) but I do have very good and generous friends who can offer short-term solutions. I shall contact the agent, through whom I communicate with the landlord. Do I cite abuse to the agent? Does anyone think there is a chance of getting partner to move out, and staying myself? I like my local GP and midwife, and the local area in general.

I've been in the house for a couple of months and don't have savings. According to the contract, one does have to pay a penalty to get out early.

Can you imagine the damage caused to your child if you stay? I left when my ex put me down on mothers day in front of my DC - told them I was a "useless mother" etc. I am very sorry you and your DC had to go through that. I think you are right he would be awful.

Reflexella, stubbornstains, msatlantis and ChocoMunchi, thank you very much for sharing your experiences. I am very glad it worked out for you.

I shall look up Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the Sunken Costs Fallacy; and I'll call Women's Aid - thank you, Attila.

I think my partner's family and friends view him as a kind and gentle soul who is easily taken advantage of. It has made it hard for me to acknowledge that his behaviour towards me really is what it is, but I can see that it really is awful, and really is real.

Thank you all again.

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mamasiz · 03/11/2017 16:22

@bluntness100 a father forfeits the right to have access to his child when he behaves this way - the child’s need to be protected from this behaviour always trumps the rights of the father to see them! Plus, if he’s not married to the mother, he does not have automatic parental responsibility and the mother makes the decision about whether or not to name him as the father.

Otherwise known as ‘tough shit’ and no less than this man deserves given his behaviour imho.

BlokeHereInPeace · 03/11/2017 16:27

Long post. Short answer. Bloke's a knob.

Bluntness100 · 03/11/2017 16:31

Legally she’s doesn’t have to put his name on the birth certificate, he can go to court and force a dna test though and have it legally enforced

Morally? No kid wants a birth certificate with a blank for father. Personally I would not do that. And as said, it’s futile anyway.

And no he doesn’t automatically forfeit thr right by being an arsehole. He can go to court and demand his name on the birth certificate and future access, and even fight for custody, shared or sole . This his right as a parent.

nousername123 · 03/11/2017 16:31

Omg he sounds awful, how do you put up with that? What a horrible human being. Leave him, do yourself and your child a favour! You don’t deserve to be treated like that. This is definitely abuse x

Rescuepuppydaft2 · 03/11/2017 16:33

Worried, I am so glad you are leaving! Please DO tell your ll that you are being abused! I know you love the area and your home, but honestly you will be putting yourself and your unborn child, in so much danger by staying where you are!

In your position, or perhaps if my daughter was in your position, I would advise you go home to your family! Can you transfer to a position closer to where your dparents live? If not, I would still want you back home, safe from the very dangerous man you are living with! Jobs will come and life with a baby will be so much easier, when you have family and loved ones around you!

I agree that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES WHATSOEVER should you be putting this mans name on the birth certificate! Any visitation after your baby is born should be supervised. However this man is chillingly dangerous and whilst I may be flamed, (I actually cant believe I am about to say this!!) if I felt my child would be in danger (if they had to have access), I would fake abortion and move as far away as possible!! (I am NOT advocating abortion at all, I am pro life myself, Although not anti pro choice as I empathise with rape/ abuse victims and those women in vulnerable circumstances (I just would never be able to abort my own baby))

I want to stress that I do not suggest lying lightly! I very much believe that a child deserves two parents if possible! However there are times when a child would be much better off without the abusive sociopath sperm donors! (Likewise some Mothers are a danger unto their children and should not be allowed access.) You as the Mother of your child, are best placed to know if your child would be in danger from your stbxh!

Hermonie2016 · 03/11/2017 16:41

partner's family and friends view him as a kind and gentle soul who is easily taken advantage of

This seems a common theme.Ex appears so gentle it was hard for most people around me to believe he was capable of viciousness.What scares me is that ex must have cultivated this image and it makes his nastiness so much more manipulative.He can literally wear a mask to outsiders and doesn't get close so no one sees the real person until you are in a close relationship.

It's important to know you are believed and what you are experiencing is real.Womens aid will believe you as well.

Bluntness100 · 03/11/2017 16:41

This is awful, to suggest this man is chillingly dangerous, a sociopath and to consider abortion goes too far.

Yes he’s an emotionally abusve self absorbed wanker, but I think calling him a chillingly dangerous sociopath goes too far. Shock

StormTreader · 03/11/2017 16:41

He just sounds unutterably selfish and self-centred to me.

Hes got ideas in his head about "how things should be" ie "how I want them", and any time you dont fit that idea then hes letting you know in detail what he doesnt like and then is doing the wan "oh, Im trying but youre just making it SO HARD" back of hand to forehead so that everyone thinks hes a "gentle soul".
Nope, hes just a passive-agressive bully.

He clearly has an idea of the lovely glowing wife with the rom-com birth (where she still has great hair and makeup and hasnt put on a pound this whole time), and youre disappointing him by being an actual real person.

MyBrilliantDisguise · 03/11/2017 16:43

Oh god, you have to leave him! I would move back home, tbh; I wouldn't want to live in the same town as him. And for as long as you're in that house he'll be around telling you that you're insane.

I felt like jumping off a cliff just reading that. Honestly, OP, one day you will realise just how awful he was to you. By then I hope you will be not seeing him at all.

It's interesting that he said you had undiagnosed mental health problems when it's so clear that he's absolutely fucking mad.

Bluntness100 · 03/11/2017 16:50

I think as this is a ten year old relationship, without these problems, and they’ve only surfaced since September, then it’s fairly clear he simply doesn’t want a child. So he is doing that thing of trying to force her to end it, because he feels he cant dump his pregnant girlfriend, so he is pushing her so she dumps him instead.

Atenco · 03/11/2017 17:17

The relationship is over, and yes you need to leave, you do have to put his name on the birth certificate, you cannot deny your child trhr right to know their father no matter how abusive he is. He should also step up and pay child support, whatever that is

I totally disagree. Not putting them on the birth certificate does not mean that the child does not know their father, but does allow you to get an idea of what kind of father he will be and hold the cards in your hand. My dd's father isn't on her birth cert and that saved me a lot of hassle. I have never stood in the way of their relationship, but at least I could have if I had found it harmful for her.

stubbornstains · 03/11/2017 19:23

I think as this is a ten year old relationship, without these problems, and they’ve only surfaced since September, then it’s fairly clear he simply doesn’t want a child. So he is doing that thing of trying to force her to end it, because he feels he cant dump his pregnant girlfriend, so he is pushing her so she dumps him instead.

Perhaps, bluntness, but it is very very common for abuse to start when the female partner is pregnant.

Re: the "empty space on a birth certificate" argument: how often do children even see their own birth certificates?? I don't think DS has ever seen his, and he's nearly 8.

LabradorMama · 03/11/2017 19:41

I have been where you are and believe me, fatherhood will not change him for the better. Get out and do it fast. As a PP suggested, give your baby your name and DO NOT put his name on the birth certificate. I so wish I hadn’t, but I had my head in the sand. Haven’t my parsntal responsibility gives him a plethora of new ways to hurt you.
I wish you all the best

LabradorMama · 03/11/2017 19:41

*having parental responsibility

gingergenius · 03/11/2017 19:57
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Spangles1963 · 03/11/2017 19:58

Sorry OP this sounds absolutely awful. All I can say is this. Why on earth are you still with him? He sounds like an utter cunt. And that is a word I very rarely use to describe anyone.

Justbookedasummmerholiday · 03/11/2017 20:04

Agree with a pp. Tell him you are having an abortion. You do yourself nor your baby any favours having him around in any capacity.
He is a class A twat.

Nainer123 · 03/11/2017 20:22

I've never told anyone I think they should leave before but he is an abusive prick and you need to leave.

You think it's bad now? Wait until he's doing all that while you look after a screaming baby only having had a couple of hours broken sleep exhausted. I'm a new mum myself and it's extremely difficult without the added stress of a gigantic dick head who will probably tell you you're a shit mum and it's your fault the baby cried, spewed, poops, pees ECT. He sounds like he would do that.

He will probably leave all the child care to you as how could he possibly look after a child that will disturb his creative process or some bullshit hipster crap.

My God! Things will be 100 times more difficult when the baby comes and you will need positive supportive people around you to keep your spirits up and get you through the first difficult months. He's not someone you need to be around.

Look after yourself

43percentburnt · 03/11/2017 20:37

You really need to check out if it is easier to move back home before baby is born. If you move post birth will this increase how much travel you need to do as you took the baby away?

There is a chance that he will not want to be involved but you need to take legal advice now and protect both of you. Sadly your baby is a way of him continuing to abuse you from afar.

Get the abuse on record with your midwife. Especially anything negative about the baby.

Jamboree05 · 03/11/2017 20:59

Oh my christ, OP. What an utter twat. Have my first LTB.

butterfly56 · 03/11/2017 21:01
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user1499333856 · 04/11/2017 06:39

This man will make your life is a misery.

I was in your position and I stayed with him. The misery it has caused is hell. I have serious mental health issues now because I stayed with a manipulative, selfish man child. I am now having to have therapy every week after my DH beat me up. This resulted in me attempting suicide. Yes, mine experience is a long story but reading what you wrote about your partner is not far from how mine treated me when I was pregnant.

Get out now before he destroys you. I am having to fight for my life now. These men do not change. Please heed my warning. Get away from him while you can with your child.

Bluntness100 · 04/11/2017 06:44

Not putting them on the birth certificate does not mean that the child does not know their father, but does allow you to get an idea of what kind of father he will be and hold the cards in your hand

Sure, unless he goes to court, demands a dna test, his name on the birth certificate and access. You wouldn’t be holding the very cards very long if he chose to exercise his rights.

On the flip side not naming him means he has no financial responsibility towards the child.

Anyways, it’s beside the point, the point is she should leave this man, as the relationship is over and he clearly doesn’t want a child.

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