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How can I forgive my parents (especially my mum) so I can let go and move on. Life is too short!

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 02/10/2017 19:41

I have always struggled to understand why I felt the way I did, becoming a young adult, right up until my late 30's. I have done alot of soul searching and realise that the reason was, being raised (step dad) by a narcissist has given rise to a belief throughout my life that I am just not “good enough”!
I have mental scars of my emotional abuse and emotionally absent parents. I thought I had self healed but obviously not.
I no longer have contact with my step dad. My mum has always been very self absorbed and allowed this emotional abuse to continue (maybe without knowing it would have consequences on my mental health later on in life) as he gave her everything she needed (big house, luxury holidays, a job within his company, money) to be happy.
I could go on to tell you about the emotional abuse (quite disturbing) but understand this post is long already.....
I'm still in contact with my parents (mum left step dad a couple of years ago and although both parents mum and real dad have deep regrets for decisions they made as parents, they're both still inconsistent and self absorbed)
It's like I have this inner broken child that can't forgive. The more I see them and although the past is in the past, they still do and say things that make me feel unimportant, uncared for. How can I forgive my parents (especially my mum) so I can let go and move on and accept this is them?
Like I said, I thought I had moved on but it seems the older I become and the older my dc's become the worse it feels.

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Worriedrose · 02/10/2017 22:49

100% get a good psychotherapist! Who deals with childhood issues
Even if you could only afford to go once a month
helps you see the wood for the trees!

And be fucking proud that you've turned out the way you have. That's pretty fucking amazing
Flowers

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 02/10/2017 22:52

Worriedrose - thankyou :) I will do exactly that. Thankyou. Same to you too. You too are pretty damn amazing!

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ssd · 02/10/2017 23:05

great advice here, good luck op.

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 02/10/2017 23:08

ssd - I agree. Thankyou :)

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Abbylee · 02/10/2017 23:26

Therapy helped me heal but most importantly, it taught me to be a good mother.

Not all therapists are good, so be careful. I saw one who complained that i cried(?): i held myself together all week, i couldn't cry during my session?? My children still shake their heads.

I tell my dc that parents are not perfect; we are people who had children. You grow up thinking that they should be paragons of virtue, but they are simply people with selfishness and psychopatho tendencies same as everyone else.

I am not trying to be unkind, but it helps me put them in perspective. take care of yourself and your family. If you don't want to, don't have them for Christmas. If it comes to guilt, invite them around near Christmas. Maybe to church? Give them something to think about.FlowersHalo

ssd · 02/10/2017 23:31

I've just started therapy and can only afford 4 sessions. I hope the therapist is good as I can't start again if they arent. its a gamble.

RedastheRose · 02/10/2017 23:51

I had hypno psychotherapy and it worked wonders for allowing me to move on with my life.

dnwig · 02/10/2017 23:57

Agree with rudbekia's post...that book helped me a lot.

Particularly the bit about being free not to want or need anything from my parents.

Letting go of ever expecting/hoping for their approval/affirmation/validation is very freeing. Rejecting the role (of being the child who looks after their emotions and makes everything ok for them) they mapped out for me is such a relief.

Still in process though!

CashewNut11 · 02/10/2017 23:57

OP my suggestion would be to work on yourself first and then how you manage your emotional relationship with your folks will become clearer - you'll set the terms that you can be comfortable with.

See, it's not about them. It's always been about them Sad. Now it is time for this situation to be about you - in the best possible way.

I'm only basing this on my own experience, but I've realised I've had to 'recalibrate' and really put attention to how I really feel about stuff... I've learned things like it is not ok to be disrespected and undermined, for example! Yes, familiarity really does breed contempt!

So, again, I'd suggest taking time to understand your own emotional "literacy", work out your own emotional boundaries and then it should become clearer where you put and how you manage your nearest, but not necessarily dearest!

Good luck Flowers

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 03/10/2017 07:38

Ssd - I hope so too, for you, I really do. Good luck :)
RedAsTheRose - haven't heard of this one. Glad it's helping and thanks for sharing :)
Dnwig - glad it helped. That's exactly it, looking after their emotions. Exactly! Yes, I think I need to stop expecting, hoping, needing validation and approval. Silly as it sounds, I didn't even think of doing this. Good luck to you :)
CashewNut11 - thankyou, Yes, you're right. Thats why I posted, because I can't take any more. I need boundaries. I know it's not doing me any good. I need peace. It's continual torment when they are here but absent, if that makes sense. When you say work on myself, how? I don't know how to manage it. I already know they won't change. I sometimes thi k about writing letters to them but I don't thi k it would help. They will continue to float in and out of my life. If I slowly distance myself then I might see clearer, is that something you mean?

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ferriswheel · 03/10/2017 07:44

I will write to you later.

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 03/10/2017 07:46

ferriswheel - thankyou :)

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midsummabreak · 03/10/2017 10:00

Shake things up a bit and provide cooked meals for your patents , especially at Christmas. You need to forgive, yes, but to do that you also need to protect and love the little girl within, and heal yourself. You can still be kind to your parents, but on your terms now. Dont mess up your Christmas day for parents who seem to show little appreciation, and in the past gave little of themselves. You dont have to be non contact, you could also just stop offering so much of your time, and distance yourself by exploring alternative hobbies, joining groups and just making sure you are not as emotionally available while you heal from the past. When you wete hirt as a little girl, how did you react, and what was the main feelings you struggled with due to the emotional neglect? That may be the main feelings that you struggle with when you see or dont see your parents . Do those feelings keep bubbling to the surface when you talk to or see your Mum and Dad ?
Think of ways that would suit you and your child/ren to spend time if you have less time spent with your parents. And do it without guilt, allowing yourself some emotional distance from your parents for a while.

Can you go to a friends for Christmas ? Do you have a local single Mums group you can join? Can you try volunteering on Christmas day (and tell your parents you wont be putting on Christmas this year) ? Maybe plan a holiday next Christmas? Whatever works to start enjoying life free of setting yourself up to feel wounded again by your parents self centredness

midsummabreak · 03/10/2017 10:01

'Don't provide cooked meals!'

kasalapihj · 03/10/2017 10:16

@ cupcakesmakeyouhappy

Try to concentrate on other things, on the good things in your life. Do you have children? As soon as you will concentrate permanently upon other things you will feel better.

midsummabreak · 03/10/2017 10:34

Do whatever works to help you distance yourself and start to feel free of your parents crappy selfish arseholiness. Best wishes

Loopytiles · 03/10/2017 11:12

Definitely tell them not to come over Xmas. It sounds like you are in FOG: fear, obligation and guilt. Lots of good info/posters on the “Stately Homes” (dysfunctional families) threads on here: many posters are low or no contact with family members.

WellThisIsShit · 03/10/2017 11:28

Good advice from other posters on here.

I found personally that when I was chasing after that idea of forgiveness, it just ended up getting further away from me! When I gave up on forgiving and realised I was reaching acceptance instead, that was when I realised that with acceptance came a form of quiet forgiveness after all. Acceptance headlining and grief as the supporting act iyswim? HmmSmile

And that felt more true than trying to force my hurt and anger and grief into the shape of a big blanket of forgiveness. I think I needed to accept the anger and trauma I felt, rather than thinking those feelings need pushing out of the way. I sort of, embraced all of those terrible huge emotions, and kind of turned them into it being right that I had these, not that they were the signs and symptoms of how wrong my childhood was, and how 'wrong' I then was as an adult, how I'd turned out not right, not healthy or complete. When I turned it into thinking 'yes, I feel all this but it's good I feel like this, I'm reacting right, and by feeling this horror at the way they treated me as an innocent little child, I'm alot of standing up for that child. Im validating that little child's hurt and right to be a child who needs her parents to be parents...'

Kinda woo as I'm not explaining it very well, but it's like, no one stood up for that child then, but as an adult, I am standing up for her. I'm standing up for me, and so all that anger and hurt and confusion and grief, becomes me caring about that child. And it's weird to talk like that child isn't me, but I still need to work on the whole 'I'm good enough to be loved by myself' thang, so until then I'd not been able to look back and help heal any of the raw wounds I got as a child and still have so some extent today.

When I had DS I was terrified. Terrified I'd be 'Just Like Her', as that was one of the cruelest things she'd say. She'd threaten me that no matter how far I ran, how much I got away, that I'd never really succeed because in the end, I was just like her. Like she'd worm her way into my soul and sit there cold and heavy as marble, in my chest. Ugh! Shiver... so that was my secret fear, that I'd fail my child as much as she failed me.

The whole pregnancy I was terrified, I read books on attachment and baby pyschology as I planned to 'fake it til i made it', if I was really going to be like her.

Batty when you think about it really! Scary to think she had such a grip on me that I really believed in my heart that I was 'just like her'.

And the relief to find I wasn't! Oh my God I can't tell you the weight it lifted!

As soon as I saw DS, in the hospital, I knew I'd never be like her. I don't have it in me to be like her. Thank God.

And as DS grew, through the days and nights and weeks and months, I revisited my memories of some of the worst stuff that happened, with the eyes of a mother. And it released me from seeing through the eyes of my mother... for the first time I knew clearly what she did was wrong and there just wasn't any way of excusing her behaviour, and absolutely no way that I was guilty of making her behave like that. It took me looking at DS and the utter revulsion I felt about anyone ever hurting him or making him responsible.

So, that helped a lot. Decoupled me from her and from seeing things through her eyes.

I tried a couple of times to discuss it with her, but I realised that she will never admit what she did, and she will change, and she will never be accountable for her own actions.

It was then that I gave up chasing after forgiveness. I didn't know how to do forgiveness without resolution.

But I cut contact down to a bare minimum, and worked on healing myself and that's when I realised the full extent of the damage my parents had done, and that I was never going to be able to understand what had happened... child abuse isn't understandable, because a non abusive parent just can't 'get' how anyone could be so self absorbed and without empathy or even guilt. It's sort of good that you don't get it, iyswim?

Sadly, I couldn't go no contact, although I know that would have been the best thing. And new things have come to light / are still happening that mean the wounds can't stay closed and healed. Which has been really frustrating, because I've realised it's virtually impossible to heal if someone's poking your wound from time to time. But I just try and stay as low contact as possible, and try to insulate myself against interactions where she does the same stuff she always has, which shows over and over again how little she cares about me, or her only grandchild.

I did get some answers, after my dad died, from an aunt who I'd never spoken to before (isolation and divide and conquer being my mothers special skills). Her chatting and reminiscing really helped me understand that my mother was already very damaged and in the grip of an undiagnosed mental health issue before she had me. Her behaviour was so extreme and weird that I'd always thought she wasn't very healthy, but internalised her blaming me, or anyone else for her misery. But I think now, she has a serious mental health problem, I wouldn't know what exactly as it's not my place to be an armchair psychologist, but there's definitely something major going on to do with her basic personality or way she functions. And from the stories of her youth and early marriage, it sounds like she's always been that way. Which makes sense of a lot of things, but doesn't absolve her. It's the fact that she didn't ever try to get help for herself or do anything to stop herself doing damage, she just let herself run rampant over everyone, and sod the consequences, let everyone else suffer. It doesn't excuse the intense selfishness, and why her desires, paranoia and cruelty were the only things that mattered. I'm using extreme language to describe her, and aware I sound disproportionately blame-y/ ungenerous towards her. I should probably say that her selfishness (& other factors) led to the death of my sister. And my sisters suffering for years beforehand. And her combined with my dads fear and weaknesses, led to his early death too. So... although I've put it to bed as much as I can, when I think about it, it does get the emotions flooding back. Tricky on a thread about forgiveness! I think I'm further ahead on that journey about her abuse of me and my childhood. I have to deal with the other stuff somewhat separately in my head as it got revealed later, with me being an adult, and is so very huge I can't get it all in my head at once.

Anyway, back to the abusive childhood side of things...

I know I'm not perfect, but it helps to see the differences... she had dc, and didn't care that she damaged us terribly, and made our lives a living hell. And there's me worrying I might not be a good mother, and reading all the text books etc, determined to built attachment with my baby and get any help I could do I didn't fuck him up or damage him in any way. And seeking out experts to check I wasn't repeating history. I know we live in different times and I wouldn't expect her to have done anything the same, but she didn't do anything except justify her own self and take out her frustrations and unpleasantness on her child.

So, I guess I reached a sort of acceptance that what happened, happened, and that I would never get my family to recognise the reality of what they did, and that I'd never get an adequate answer.

But I could stick up for that poor emotionally ripped apart child, looking back to me, when I was so lost and alone. At least I care about that little one, and I just pour all that love and care into my own family... so I know whatever mistakes I make with parenthood, my little boy will always feel loved, and cared for, and I'll always show him that he's important, and amazing to me. And in a way, it feels like I have eased that little child in me, somewhere deep inside, still 4 yrs old and terrified.

And I guess, that's all I feel I can do. Acceptance, with a side order of forgiveness.

WellThisIsShit · 03/10/2017 11:32

Sorry that was mammoth!!!! It brought a lot of stuff up for me. Hopefully you can pick through and find some stuff that might be useful for you. It's a hard thing to do, recovering from a crap childhood. Be gentle on yourself and don't judge yourself for not reacting 'right', or not being able to be the bigger person etc. A lot of that will be the whole FOG trap, and also, we tend to have high expectations of ourselves and don't have good representations in culture, of family dysfunction and surviving damage done in childhood. You can only do what you can do, and tomorrow might be different.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 03/10/2017 12:13

Well - you have spoken your truth so clearly here. You have explained in way that I and I'm sure others will recognise. What a brave and resilient woman you are. Little Well is safe now because grownup Well has worked so hard to see and understand and break the cycle.
Flowers

midsummabreak · 03/10/2017 13:42

Wellthis 💐🌺🌸

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 03/10/2017 15:02

Midsummabreak - thankyou :) you're right, I know I need to be less available. They just turn up to my house though. I know that sounds awful but that's all they ever do and offload. I have tried to explain, I am struggling as a single parent student nurse but they're not I interested on little bit. How do I stop them just 'popping' in when convenient for them? I am out alot but they know when to catch me in. Looking back I remember just feeling so lonely as a teenager. I used to write a diary of how sad I was but I didn't know why! Obviously I know now. We don't have anywhere to go at Christmas so I will cook and just want it to be me and dc's. I can't afford a holiday but if I can pluck up courage to tell them I want to spend Christmas with my dc's only, its a start. Definitely going to start distancing myself.
Kasalapihj - thankyou :) I do, yes. I always try to stay positive and appreciate what I have. Im very lucky to have my dc's. I feel that the relationship between my parent and I, get in the way of that focus now and again.
Loopytiles - thankyou :) yes fog is the right term.
WellThisIsShit - firsty wow, thankyou for your time :) you have said exactly how I feel. I feel sad for that liitle girl. It's her I see when I think back, when I question why, when my parent continue to be self absorbed, uncaring. They do not care how my upbringing has damaged me through adulthood. Everything I remember I have this psychological picture of a younger me and I feel so much pain for her. So much anger towards my parents. The way I feel about myself, not so much now as I know I am good enough but years and years of self doubt, self hate, I was embarrassed to be me, no confidence. I learnt to like me but its taken years.
I remember having my first dd. That I start love and connection. There's no feeling like it. I suppose as my dd's grow up and I give them love, security, consistency and stability. All the girly things. Clothes shop, cinema, pamper nights, chats about friends, sleep overs, school, boys. The excitement of birthdays, Christmas. This is what co.es natural and this is what fulfils my happiness.
I sometimes see that younger me and feel sorry for her. Feel anger to my parents for not letting her have those things. I'm not talking just about the girly things I mentioned but basic needs. Love, security, consistency. Thankyou, you have helped so much :)

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cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 03/10/2017 15:23

WellThisIsShit - ps ((((hugs)))) you are doing amazing at motherhood and amazing at self recovery!
((Hugs)) to you all that are rebuilding after a troubled upbringing.
I sometimes wonder if I'm permanently damaged because it effected my marriage (divorced) and I can't date AT ALL! I suppose I'm still working on my recovery. I try to say to myself they took my past, they won't take my future. Another thing that sticks out is. Loving who we are now is like saving that little girl within me. That's very inspiring to read, so true. I'm going to work on that :)

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Apileofballyhoo · 03/10/2017 15:40

Flowers for you OP, and all the others who commented.

cupcakesmakeyouhappy · 03/10/2017 15:50

Apileofballyhoo - Thankyou :)

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