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Confused about DP's behaviour on my birthday

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SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 12:59

Hi all

I've lurked for ages, so here goes.

I've been with my DP for nearly 3 years. He has two almost adult sons who visit maybe once a week, I don't have any children, although that's not so relevant, just to give a fuller picture.

It was my birthday last week. I had taken that day and the Friday off work, he had to be on a course on the Wednesday and Thursday, but would be home on the Thursday evening. That's fine, these things happen.

This is where my frustration and confusion sets in. He had initially suggested that since he was in a hotel on the Wednesday night, I could stay with him, we could go out for a nice meal, I could have a day in London the next day and we'd meet up and go home on Thursday afternoon.

On the night before his course, I checked with him about the hotel, because since his first suggestion, nothing else had been said. He apparently still didn't have the details, didn't know if he might have to share a room with a colleague etc etc. I asked him to find out the next day and said he would have to take some spare clothes for me in his case to be prepared.

On the day of the course once i had got to work, I texted him to ask again about the hotel. He still didn't know if he had a room to himself or not. I suggested he call the hotel to ask and said if I didn't hear from him before my work day ended, I would go home. (I commute a long way to work in London every day, he normally works in our home town).

I heard nothing from him, although I saw that he had time to post on Facebook during the day (no stalking, just something that appeared on my feed). So, I went home. He called me on my journey home and suggested we got out for a meal the next night when he got back home, and I said that would be lovely.

I spent my birthday on my own as it was too short notice to do anything with friends as they were all working. It was an OK day, I'm quite happy on my own, but... it was my birthday.

He came home in the evening, said he wasn't very well and went to bed. I was so fed up, but kept it to myself. Of course he couldn't help feeling ill, but the sheer disorganisation of it all was really starting to get to me.

Here's the thing. He knows that to me, my birthday is very important. He knows it's the one day of the year that I would like a little bit of a fuss to be made. I know he couldn't help the timing of the course, I know he couldn't help being ill. I am just so frustrated that he seems incapable of putting in a bit of effort - like phoning the hotel in advance without being asked to check if the room was shared or for him alone, of taking a bit of initiative. After all, it was him that suggested I could stay with him overnight in London - I wouldn't have asked for the hotel stay as it was his work training course.

To cap it all off, since I had a feeling that the meal out after he came back from London had a chance of not happening, I had bought nice food and wine to have at home. we finally ate it on the Saturday night before he went to work (he works night shifts) but only because I cooked it. Left to him, it would still be in the fridge. He knew it was my birthday meal because he raised his glass and said 'belated happy birthday' - but at no point did he acknowledge that I had had to make my own birthday meal.

I'm not hard work (I don't think). I don't expect or ask for flowers and gifts and evenings out all the time. It's just once a year, I'd like to feel special. It's not as if he is in the dark about this - I've told him very plainly that birthdays are special to me and I like to be treated well on this one day.

He did say 'I wish I'd planned this better' - but I'm finding that hard to believe now because it seems to be a repeat performance for a lot of things. For example, it's a constant surprise to him that I get home from work at around 7.30pm each night and if I'm not cooking (and I do most of it because he works night shifts), he needs to have food planned. We end up eating at 10pm very often because he's suddenly realised the time, that he needs to cook something and I hate it (and he knows this too). He apologises that we're eating so late and I'm gritting my teeth and thinking 'well be a bit more fucking organised then'.

I'm starting to resent him and I really don't want to. Am I being demanding? How can I deal with this (either by changing my reaction or addressing his approach with him in a clear but kind way)?

I know he's not bothered about his own birthday, although I have always got him good gifts, taken him out for meals and generally pampered him. It's almost as if, because certain things aren't an issue for him, he can't understand or take on board that they might be an issue for me, even if I've told him. He doesn't seem to feel hunger, so he can quite easily get up at 5pm, not eat anything before work and then not eat whilst he is at work until 3am.

I am at my wits end. It's not the birthday per se that is bothering me, I think it's just the constant repetition of what comes across as 'can't be arsed-ness'. He's bloody organised and efficient at work, so he can do it.

Can any one of you lovely ladies help?

OP posts:
NarleneBieyrich · 11/09/2017 13:09

He sounds rather passive aggressive, like he tells little lies so he either doesn't have to contribute anything and gets you to take up your time organising him, OR gets you to blow up and behave in a way in which he can then label you "controlling" and go "poor me, I made the effort"!

It's no way to live. What are you getting out of this relationship?

RainyApril · 11/09/2017 13:11

I doubt he will change so long term I think this is something you must decide to live with, or not.

Does he show love in other ways, that might balance the scales a little?

I do think you let him off too lightly about your birthday. I would have said that I was having my birthday on Saturday instead and expected a lie in, long bath, afternoon out and a nice meal (cooked by him) in the evening. You haven't really shown him what you mean by 'making your birthday special' - because it won't necessarily be obvious to someone who isn't bothered about a fuss - and there haven't been any negative consequences for his lack of effort.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/09/2017 13:14

Hi SnorkMaiden17,

re your comment:-

"I'm starting to resent him and I really don't want to. Am I being demanding? How can I deal with this (either by changing my reaction or addressing his approach with him in a clear but kind way)?"

What do you get out of this relationship now?. What are your boundaries like when it comes to relationships?. For goodness sake do not change your reactions to suit him. No.

You seem to have put far more effort into this relationship than he ever has done. He is not reciprocating for whatever reasons (and those have nothing to do with you, what is his own relationship history like?).

I think you are far more invested in him (perhaps too over invested) than he ever is or has been in you. His lackadaisical attitude towards you also shows a disrespect for you as a person too.

Re your above comment may I suggest a third way; you give this person the boot from your life as of now. I think he sees you as merely convenient and just wants someone to look after him.

hellsbellsmelons · 11/09/2017 13:16

So what did he buy you for your birthday?
I hope it was a nice gift at least?
MN often says that birthdays are nothing really.
But I celebrate for weeks and love it.
Do you live together?
Can you imagine this for the next 10-20 years?
Can you cut and run?

Sn0tnose · 11/09/2017 13:17

I think you need to sit him down and tell him that his lack of organisation is just not working for you and it's making you resent him.

If nothing changes, then you have three options. You either ignore it and let it carry on, or you accept his laziness and organise your own dinners and your own birthdays, or you decide it's a deal breaker and move on.

ravenmum · 11/09/2017 13:18

Sounds like someone who doesn't put much effort into the relationship - is not trying very hard. Maybe isn't that keen. Or if he is secretly keen, isn't very compatible as he doesn't have the same priorities as you.

Also sounds like you would have a better time not having to constantly jab him in the arse with a pointy stick to get him moving.

TheSparrowhawk · 11/09/2017 13:18

I know others might think these things are not a big deal but having been with my DH for 15 years I think they are absolutely key and they are the sorts of things that, over time, totally kill an otherwise good relationship. It sounds like classic avoidant behaviour to me - he knows you expect a fuss, he makes a paltry effort (with the hotel suggestion) then fails to follow through, makes a weak effort to patch it up and then fails to follow through on that too. On one level he knows how important this is, but for some reason he can't bring himself to actually deliver. IME this sort of behaviour is symptomatic of a general low-level 'meanness' where you're made to feel, in petty ways, like you're not quite good enough. It's a total killer and it really comes to a head when children come along (if that's in the plan) because then you really need him to step up and he simply won't.

TheSparrowhawk · 11/09/2017 13:20

Whatever about the birthday thing - the dinner thing is totally unacceptable. He is in a couple and he should behave that way - he can't just suit himself.

SnowiestMountain · 11/09/2017 13:22

Hmm it's a tricky one OP, he sounds like he couldn't really be arsed but you also sound a bit over invested and needy.

It sounds like you wanted something pretty fancy and there's no way that a bunch of flowers and a meal in a local pub was going to cut it. Not that this was even offered by your DP.

To be brutally honest, you sound quite incompatible...

ravenmum · 11/09/2017 13:24

a general low-level 'meanness' where you're made to feel, in petty ways, like you're not quite good enough.
Hmm, yes ... or subtly made to feel like what you want is a bit stupid or excessively demanding. You end up swallowing your feelings of hurt or disappointment as it feels unreasonable. In the end you don't ask for anything any more.

ravenmum · 11/09/2017 13:26

Snowiest, it was him suggesting a lovely plan then letting it just vanish into zilch: "He had initially suggested that since he was in a hotel on the Wednesday night..."

fuzzyfozzy · 11/09/2017 13:27

I'd tell him I wanted a birthday do-over. I like a fuss on my birthday, and I make sure other people feel special on theirs.

littlebird7 · 11/09/2017 13:35

I think he takes your for granted. He knows you are just going to just put up with it. This is the problem, you are not asserting yourself enough. You are not married, so it is easier.

  1. you take him for what he is, and plan your own special celebrations, and accept he is a lazy selfish man and always will be

  2. You start to surprise him. Wake him up from his stupor. By not being there cooking every night. Start texting him half an hour after he gets home and tell him you are at a cocktail bar don't wait up. Dress up, do something different with your hair. Go out with your friends more and remind him you are not little wifey at home. Eat before he comes home so you are not cooking every night. Act like a doormat and you will be a doormat.

  3. leave him for someone who loves and adores you much more than he does.

You deserve better actually!

littlebird7 · 11/09/2017 13:36

I don't think this is just about your birthday. Your whole relationship seems to be stagnating.

WinnieFosterTether · 11/09/2017 13:38

I think a PP was exactly right about your DP being passive aggressive. I had an ex who would always suggest fantastic ideas for birthdays, nights out, etc. Then there would always be a reason why it didn't happen eg illness, work. He liked basking in the glory of his wonderful plans but couldn't be arsed to carry them out. Your DP reminds me of him. As you point out, he can be organised at work, he just doesn't think you're worth the effort. Sorry.
Now you need to decide whether you're going to put up with this behaviour or call time on the relationship.

Melabela10 · 11/09/2017 13:40

I wouldn't judge the whole relationship just by his ability to organise BD. Some people are shit at organising things like this.
If it's so important to you then you need to sit down and clearly state your partner That BD is important for you and you expect XYZ to happen in that day. You need to do this close to the next year BD or else he may forget. Some man don't really good guessing the feelings and remebering things so things like this needs to be stated directly and clearly . You can also say this BD was compete mess and you well left frustrated by his lack of organisation of your special day

Are you happy with the partner other that this ? Then I wouldn't think it's breaking point but will remind him as suggested above

timeisnotaline · 11/09/2017 13:46

I'd go for 'By the way darling when are you going to do something for my birthday?'

FluffyWhiteTowels · 11/09/2017 13:47

So he totally avoided the hotel issue .... and then came home and went to bed. Gosh he sounds lovely.

What are you getting out of this relationship ?

I'm sorry but it sounds grim from what you've posted.

Isetan · 11/09/2017 13:56

Sounds like he's one of those types who thinks that the thought counts more than the follow through. This is who he is and he is not about to change without an ultimatum and even then, It would be short lived at most.

Your needs aren't his priority, either accept that this is who he is or move on.

Nogoodbye · 11/09/2017 14:04

Hmm Was he genuinely ill on that evening he got back and went to bed? Did he get you a card and present on the day?

I have seen a lot of threads on here over the years where men completely avoid their partner's birthday using a variety of excuses or just not bothering. Also he is generally not making an effort. I would be very hurt by his behaviour.

AlternativeTentacle · 11/09/2017 14:08

So, was he in the hotel alone?

KickthewallonSalthillprom · 11/09/2017 14:37

I have an ExH who was like your DP. He forgot my birthday a couple of times, often got cards a week late. Even forgot to get me something for Xmas one year and phoned a taxi to pick up a bottle of perfume on Xmas eve.
I got in from work one day evening at 10pm and he asked what did I want him to cook for dinner. Fecker knew exactly what time I was coming in at.
I stopped engaging with him. On the nights I was working late, I just organised my own meal. Cue hurt expression that I hadn't included him and he had to make his own meal at fecking 10 at night after sitting on his arse for 4 hours.
I stopped including him in my social plans as he was so flakey about organising his time off. I had to go to weddings on my own because he had to go to work that day (no he didn't)
I went to numerous dinner parties and barbecues on my own. Making excuses for him. In the end I just stopped telling him about stuff so he didn't have any opportunity to make up a stupid reason not to go.

I LTB in the end.

SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 14:38

Thank you all for taking the time to reply - I really do appreciate it.

To address a few points:

Atilla - yes I do wonder if I am more invested. But he often tells me how special I am, how he appreciates me etc... but then his actions don't match his words.This is why I am confused.

hellsbellsmelons - yes, he did buy me a nice gift that he had put some thought into. Can I imagine this for the next 20 or so years - I'm not sure. We live together and have done for a couple of years.

Sn0tnose - yes, I have told him that his lack or organisation is really frustrating, means that I end up doing the thinking for the both of us and is really grinding me down. I have asked him this morning to organise to make tea tonight so that I don't have to think about, but I'm just not sure he will remember.

The Sparrowhawk - you describe what happens perfectly. He has got me all upside down and inside-out over this behaviour because he almost always prefaces his suggestions with the word 'might' so that this gives him a get-out of things don't happen. With this birthday issue, he didn't use 'might' at all and so it seems to me that he just can't be bothered to put the actual work in.

SnowiestMountain - over-invested maybe (but isn't that OK after 3 years?), but I really didn't expect anything fancy for my birthday - I'm not like that. I made a couple of suggestions for my birthday present, I never asked for a meal at a fancy restaurant, I never asked for a night in a hotel, I never expected lots of money to be spent. Of course, everyone has their own measuring stick for these things. But at the very least, I would have liked not to be fed a line and then cook my own meal. I don't think that's too much to ask, but I could be wrong.

ravenmum - I do feel like not asking for anything any more. I know he's not a mind-reader, I didn't have an unknowable list of expectations. I just thought that since I had told him clearly that I treat birthdays as important, that I had given (when asked) some ideas for birthday presents, that he had suggested the whole hotel thing, that he had got the message. I feel like shit, to be honest. And I am worth better. The first birthday I had with him he did these things - now it's all just gone downhill on his part.

littlebird7 - all good ideas, including the last one. Yes, stagnating is how it feels.

Melabela10 - the problem is I have been clear with him. He does know - he says this is why he suggested the night at the hotel. He managed to organise a special event for his mum and one of his sons this year - I'm beginning to feel like a second class citizen, although he is constantly telling me its not a matter of him putting other people before me.

He is a well-meaning man. However now I've put all of this down in black and white, I'm really not so sure. Because of our conflicting work patterns I have a lot of time and freedom for myself. I do like that, but now I wonder if he is happy about this because he doesn't have to make much effort.

I never thought of myself as a doormat, but maybe I am....

OP posts:
SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 14:48

AlternativeTentacle - just his work colleague in the shared room (who I know).

Nogoodbye - I do believe he was genuinely ill.

Kickthewall - he hasn't been that bad, but I know he picked up a random bottle of perfume for me for Christmas when he spent hours scouring the shops for and with his sons. ONly by luck (which he fully admitted) was it one I liked. He often says he alsks me what i want for tea because I'm fussy (I'm not) and have special dietary requirements (I don't - I only like to eat a little less pasta than him because it sometimes gives me indigestion). He's very happy to cook meals for his sons when they come round and we always eat earlier when they do.

I'm so gutted that, in the cold light of day, it just seems like I'm not worth all that much effort.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/09/2017 14:53

"Atilla - yes I do wonder if I am more invested. But he often tells me how special I am, how he appreciates me etc... but then his actions don't match his words.This is why I am confused"

There is no confusion really; words after all are cheap. Look at his actions OP and properly too. What does this say about him?. What has he really done for you here?. He behaves passive aggressively towards you and thinks you can be bought off with a bit of sweet talk.

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