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Confused about DP's behaviour on my birthday

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SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 12:59

Hi all

I've lurked for ages, so here goes.

I've been with my DP for nearly 3 years. He has two almost adult sons who visit maybe once a week, I don't have any children, although that's not so relevant, just to give a fuller picture.

It was my birthday last week. I had taken that day and the Friday off work, he had to be on a course on the Wednesday and Thursday, but would be home on the Thursday evening. That's fine, these things happen.

This is where my frustration and confusion sets in. He had initially suggested that since he was in a hotel on the Wednesday night, I could stay with him, we could go out for a nice meal, I could have a day in London the next day and we'd meet up and go home on Thursday afternoon.

On the night before his course, I checked with him about the hotel, because since his first suggestion, nothing else had been said. He apparently still didn't have the details, didn't know if he might have to share a room with a colleague etc etc. I asked him to find out the next day and said he would have to take some spare clothes for me in his case to be prepared.

On the day of the course once i had got to work, I texted him to ask again about the hotel. He still didn't know if he had a room to himself or not. I suggested he call the hotel to ask and said if I didn't hear from him before my work day ended, I would go home. (I commute a long way to work in London every day, he normally works in our home town).

I heard nothing from him, although I saw that he had time to post on Facebook during the day (no stalking, just something that appeared on my feed). So, I went home. He called me on my journey home and suggested we got out for a meal the next night when he got back home, and I said that would be lovely.

I spent my birthday on my own as it was too short notice to do anything with friends as they were all working. It was an OK day, I'm quite happy on my own, but... it was my birthday.

He came home in the evening, said he wasn't very well and went to bed. I was so fed up, but kept it to myself. Of course he couldn't help feeling ill, but the sheer disorganisation of it all was really starting to get to me.

Here's the thing. He knows that to me, my birthday is very important. He knows it's the one day of the year that I would like a little bit of a fuss to be made. I know he couldn't help the timing of the course, I know he couldn't help being ill. I am just so frustrated that he seems incapable of putting in a bit of effort - like phoning the hotel in advance without being asked to check if the room was shared or for him alone, of taking a bit of initiative. After all, it was him that suggested I could stay with him overnight in London - I wouldn't have asked for the hotel stay as it was his work training course.

To cap it all off, since I had a feeling that the meal out after he came back from London had a chance of not happening, I had bought nice food and wine to have at home. we finally ate it on the Saturday night before he went to work (he works night shifts) but only because I cooked it. Left to him, it would still be in the fridge. He knew it was my birthday meal because he raised his glass and said 'belated happy birthday' - but at no point did he acknowledge that I had had to make my own birthday meal.

I'm not hard work (I don't think). I don't expect or ask for flowers and gifts and evenings out all the time. It's just once a year, I'd like to feel special. It's not as if he is in the dark about this - I've told him very plainly that birthdays are special to me and I like to be treated well on this one day.

He did say 'I wish I'd planned this better' - but I'm finding that hard to believe now because it seems to be a repeat performance for a lot of things. For example, it's a constant surprise to him that I get home from work at around 7.30pm each night and if I'm not cooking (and I do most of it because he works night shifts), he needs to have food planned. We end up eating at 10pm very often because he's suddenly realised the time, that he needs to cook something and I hate it (and he knows this too). He apologises that we're eating so late and I'm gritting my teeth and thinking 'well be a bit more fucking organised then'.

I'm starting to resent him and I really don't want to. Am I being demanding? How can I deal with this (either by changing my reaction or addressing his approach with him in a clear but kind way)?

I know he's not bothered about his own birthday, although I have always got him good gifts, taken him out for meals and generally pampered him. It's almost as if, because certain things aren't an issue for him, he can't understand or take on board that they might be an issue for me, even if I've told him. He doesn't seem to feel hunger, so he can quite easily get up at 5pm, not eat anything before work and then not eat whilst he is at work until 3am.

I am at my wits end. It's not the birthday per se that is bothering me, I think it's just the constant repetition of what comes across as 'can't be arsed-ness'. He's bloody organised and efficient at work, so he can do it.

Can any one of you lovely ladies help?

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SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 15:10

Atilla - you're right about the sweet talk and the passive-aggressiveness. I'm such a damned idiot.

Right - I'm not going to remind him about tea tonight. I'm going to get home and see what happens. And when/if he asks me what I want at around 9pm, I'll react accordingly.

The stupid thing is, he makes me a coffee when I get home, which he knows I like. I just wonder if he's doing just enough to keep me on side and not come across as a completely lazy ass.

Like I said, I'm such an idiot.

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timeisnotaline · 11/09/2017 15:24

I too would start the cooking for myself only on the late nights as a p suggests , but I was very very close to actually doing this every night many years ago with my husband. I suppose the important thing is taht you clearly communicate your expectations, point out the enormous gap , don't fill it or make excuses for him and if he doesn't come to the table... agree words are pretty meaningless here, he needs to 'do'.

SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 16:20

timeisnotaline - I thought I did communicate my expectations. WRT the birthday thing, I realised I had to because for him, they aren't special, except that he always makes sure he's not at work on his birthday. Other than that, he doesn't have any expectation that he'll get a present, be made a fuss of, yadaydayada. And that is true.

I do think I've a little bit made a rod for my own back - because he works such challenging hours, I've given him leeway. Probably, in hindsight, too much.

He supports and encourages me in my work and pastimes (I'm an artist in my spare time), which is muddying the waters for me, because it contrasts so much with the 'can't be arsedness'. Maybe he's just a lazy ass and needs kicking up it all the time.

But that in itself is so tiring. I'm fed up of it. And I have told him that, quite clearly. he just doesn't seem to be able to take it on board (and he's not stupid).

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Mittens1969 · 11/09/2017 16:49

No he isn't stupid, he just doesn't care enough. Sorry, OP, but you do know that. He says the right things to placate you, I suspect.

TheNaze73 · 11/09/2017 16:49

I think his actions are saying all that you need to know.

I personally don't get the whole adult birthday thing but, he should try to understand what it means to you as it's important to you & you can't argue a feeling.

Mittens1969 · 11/09/2017 17:01

No, I wouldn't worry about it that much about birthdays myself, it just means I'm a year older, but the point is it matters to the OP and she's told him that.

SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 17:04

Yes, you're both right about actions v words.

I don't personally understand his fascination with football such that he'll organise himself to get up early after working a night shift to watch his team play on TV. But I don't minimise his joy by stopping him watching it, nor do I complain.

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timeisnotaline · 11/09/2017 17:15

I know completely snork, I'm sure you've said it clearly. I mean to still say it. If he screwed up he still has to make it right not Lala it's over and forgotten because it didn't bother ME. I had this with my first Mother's Day- nothing. He thought I wouldn't have cared Hmm. I lost it and was ruder than I have ever been to him, but I still had to discuss it with him several more times. He didn't make it up the next weeek, he didn't make it up the Mother's Day in my loca country, and I ended up telling him before my 2nd Mother's Day that I was afraid his social plans meant ge wouldn't have time, I wouldn't accept any plans that didn't involve planning, and we weren't going to start ttc child #2 until I had a husband that remembered Mother's Day, and he did a brilliant job. (I get not everyone cares about Mother's Day and is now thinking im a super snowflake but the point is I did! It's a thank you for the very difficult year and a half I had put in and he hadn't so we had our much wanted child!) so cancel any other engagements or plans with him until he delivers for your birthday.

SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 17:24

timeisnotaline - yes, that 'it's over and done with now so let's forget about it' sounds so damned familiar... oh my god I thought I was going mad and it's such a relief that you get it. BTW, I understand completely about Mother's Day, even without being a birth mother. And Father's Day. And anniversaries.

Thank you for your great message - strong lady!

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Bluntness100 · 11/09/2017 17:28

I've a slightly different view here.

He made the birthday hotel offer on the spur of the moment, he then changed his mind, wanted to go out with the others on the course and didn't have the balls to tell you he rather socialise with them than go off piste with you. I doubt he was even sharing a room, he simply had something he would rather do.

Sorry I don't think it was lack of planning, I think it was due to his differing priorities and he fibbed because he didn't want to hurt uour feelings and tell you he'd rather you didn't come so he put you off and put you off till he could get out of it. He would 100 percent of known the room arrangement, they would have been told they were sharing (or not) in the course info, he just didn't admit it because he'd got himself into a pickle of inviting you then preferring to socialise with those he was with.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/09/2017 17:30

Don't let this man become your partner of 4 years standing.

Such men do not change; this is how he is and always has been. He does not care enough to want to make you happy. He can make the effort re his football team because he wants to but in your case you are not worth the effort in his eyes. Your own needs are not on his priority list; its he who is on his priority list.

He is selfish at heart and just wants someone to look after him and you've done that by pampering him as you have done. I doubt very much he will go at all quietly (after all he is on to a good thing with you) but the freedom from him will be worth it.

NarleneBieyrich · 11/09/2017 17:39

Just raising the question. When you say "supportive", what do you mean by that?

Does this "support" involve him having to do anything that puts him out, or it more "lip service and smiles and do the fun stuff but ignore anything hard".

I'm a part time mature student which I LOVE but it's challenging of course. I'm single and date around happily, no kids or desire to have one.

I dated (few months so not really serious relationship but not just "one off" things IYSWIM?) two guys who paid lip service to my interests?

So it was like "oh, how wonderful and fascinating, I'm so impressed you're committing to further study blah blah blah"

When it actually came down to it, both of them acted up when I said I had a deadline coming up. Once my internet went off at home and I needed to submit/look up stuff. The guy said I couldn't come over and sit in his study and use his ( because he'd rather I came over and watched a film with him as he felt "tired" from interacting with his children and it suited him better) I ended up having to go to a friends place.

I asked one to check over critical end of year coursework for spelling errors - he didn't even read it properly, judging by his comments.

(For the record, I'm fairly low maintenance, pay my own way, etc)

BOTH of them wanted a progressive relationship involving us living together, getting married etc. The whole hog.

BOTH labelled themselves supportive middle class Nice Guy types ( because they didn't beat womenHmm) BOTH would quite happily have enjoyed my increased income due to career change (no thanks to them)

BOTH seemed to think I was being cruel to them by not being sexually available after their weird mean behaviour.

Of course, as I'm one if those angry feminazi types Wink , I stopped having sex with them then finished with them. But I think there is such a big, big distinction between talking and "actually doing something that inconveniences them and involves effort"

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/09/2017 17:44

"He supports and encourages me in my work and pastimes"

How does he support you or is this mere words from him again? His CBA attitude to your needs is really offputting.

Are his sons really a carbon copy of him as well?

NightGard3n · 11/09/2017 17:46

You have been with your Dh 3 years. So what is stopping him from saying sorry and booking you a night or a weekend in a hotel somewhere where you can do something you enjoy or a night at theatre or comedy evening or a visit to an art gallery and a nice meal or a spa day.??? I think you deserve a lot more! Happy belated birthday 🎂 He was probably up all night at the hotel drinking with his colleagues, but that does not excuse him for not taking you out another day / weekend. I don't think he appreciates you

SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 19:11

Bluntness i truly don't know if that's what's happened - to be honest I didn't ask what he got up to in the evening - if he lets something slip about the evening then he will in time. You know what though? He's only got himself to blame as it never crossed my mind that I would be staying with him anyway.

Narlene and Atilla - you know that's a very good question about how he supports me. I actually need to this no about that now.

NightG3rden thank you for the birthday wishes :) - yeah, nothing is stopping him from a birthday redo for me except his own lack of proactivity, plus his 'the past is the past' approach. I'm beginning to see that this is his way of squirming away without having to revisit his own lack of care.

It's all very well for him to say he doesn't put other things before me, but that's not actually true.

I need to be less soft.

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SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 19:13

And by the way, I really don't expect a fortune to be spent on me - it's more care and attention and thoughtfulness that I would really appreciate.

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Bluntness100 · 11/09/2017 19:17

Op, yes he only has himself to blame, he got himself into this mess by being a twat. I don't think it means he doesn't love you, I suspect he's just selfish and a bit of a coward.

SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 20:00

Well put Bluntness! I know he hates confrontation (he's said as much himself), so he'll do practically anything to avoid it. Hence, he gets himself into stupid pickles. He is making dinner right now, so let's see. He does know I'm not particularly happy right now even though I've not come home in a grump, so he does know how to pick up on stuff if he makes the effort.

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NightGard3n · 11/09/2017 20:21

Do you do anything fun together outside the house? Who organises? Do you do anything on the spur of the moment or plan?

NightGard3n · 11/09/2017 20:55

It doesn't cost the earth to go for a walk in the park together or to a local fete or gallery / museum. If you work in London there are plenty of choices or locally. He does not seem to be making much effort. I'm going to send you my last rolo!

scotchpie · 11/09/2017 21:17

Who's house is it?

theabysswithin · 11/09/2017 22:17

I'm going to go against the grain a bit because I am naturally very disorganised (I've got a lot better as I've got older) and there are people who genuinely grasp how maddening this is to other people. It's just not how their brains work. It is entirely possible your other half genuinely didn't think through how all this was going to upset you.

But the bottom line is a birthday is a birthday. On your spouse's birthday, you make the bloody effort. The fact that he apparently has made no attempt to prioritise this, despite having multiple opportunities to do so and numerous hints from you, suggests that he either can't be arsed or is feeling in some way like you are bullying him a bit about it and is being passive aggressive. (I know you're not, I'm just putting myself in his mindset.)

I'm afraid to say, as others have said upthread, that I think its quite hard to change this sort of mindset. You have to decide, essentially, whether you are prepared to live with this level of disengagement or whether you deserve better.

SnorkMaiden17 · 11/09/2017 22:19

I think that's part of the problem. He works nights mostly, or sometime shifts when we don't see each other for a few days, and his work pattern changes from week to week, and at short notice. I work in London but we both live in a town about an hour's journey away, so it's difficult. He used to make a lot more effort, but seems to have got out of the habit of it.

I think he needs reminding (and not in a subltle way) that you can't just float along without making an effort. He hadn't always been like this.

To be fair, this evening, he didn't need reminding about tea, he didn't leave it until 10pm, he laid the table, cleared it all away and did the washing up. And he did ask if I had any preferences for tomorrow's evening meal as he will be cooking.

Maybe he's had a chance to think about the last few days...

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Cricrichan · 11/09/2017 22:44

The thing is, he doesn't need reminding etc when it comes to his mum and sons. So he knows certain things are important to the people he loves and is willing to put the effort in. Whereas he takes you for granted and to tell you about the hotel on your birthday and not even tell you that you couldn't come (so that you could organise something else ) is awful. What kind of nasty idiot does that?? Can anyone imagine telling anyone they cared about that they would do something together for their birthday. Then not check in a timely fashion and not even have the bloody decency to cancel!!! I'm not precious about birthdays but I'd be fuming at this.

I wouldn't be happy in this relationship. The man knows what to do and does it for his mum and sons. What he did was worse than not make an effort.

SnorkMaiden17 · 12/09/2017 07:29

The choice is his. He puts the effort in, or he's out. I've told him that I resent him for how he's treating me and making me feel like I'm last on his list of everyone that he loves. It's all very well telling me I'm special. I want to feel it as well.

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