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Months of arguments, now this morning..

208 replies

WhatOnEarth7 · 07/09/2017 12:07

OH and I have had almost weekly tension-filled incidents for a few months now. We have been together for a year and I know we need to settle into each other, but it seems I cannot raise any concerns or talk about things without him going nuclear. This morning was the worst, and I think we might be over.

He does a number of things which have made me feel uncomfortable, for example he is attached to his mobile 24/7, texts and receives texts constantly in front of me and in mid-conversation, he'll pick up his phone whilst we're in the same room or in the middle of me speaking and just leave me hanging (I have tried carrying on talking, he tunes out completely and has no idea what I've just said), and he'll check or text someone, put the phone down, usually face down, without a word and either carries on with what he's doing, or look back at me if we're speaking and say "yes? what did you say?". I tried hinting at how uncomfortable this makes me.. no response.. then we have had several rows about it. He says it's not rude, that my discomfort is my problem, he's a busy man and has got work people texting him and emails to write and how inconsiderate I am.

This morning another bubbling issue came up. He said he was furious that I had dared ask him last night if he discusses our home life with people from work. He said he was angry and that this question was inappropriate and out of order for me to ask, and he couldn't work out what was going on in my head to ask him that. So I told him why - because of an email I had seen from a (female) work colleague on his desktop (I hadn't snooped, the first line was open in the preview pane when he was showing me another email.. I was shocked..), saying aaaw how sorry she was.. hope everything's ok... and to give her a call. This was right in the middle of a really horrible few days where he'd been stonewalling me most of the time. The same woman I overheard him in a phone call dropping in a peculiar comment about having 'troubles'.

Whatever it is, every time I express any discomfort, or even want to talk about anything that's troubling me in a calm, adult way, he blows up. He has even called my attempts to talk about things "mistreatment" of him, says he's had years of been mistreated like this by his ex.

I've been at my wits end for months on how to broach any topic without him going ballistic. This morning I answered his question, and instead of him reassuring me or thinking, "ah that's why you've been so worried" he went through the roof, turned really, really nasty in the way he spoke to me and left saying "that's probably the last straw"..and "if you ever ask another inappropriate question like that, we're over, get out of my sight".

These threats of ending the relationship, the stonewalling, the tension in the air... I feel sick and confused why any expression has to end up in war and I cannot bear the way he speaks to me, I don't speak to him like this and I find I am always the one who tries to get us talking and things back on track.

OP posts:
SandyY2K · 08/09/2017 09:35

Have you tried mirroring his behaviour and just maintaining polite civility with him?

In your position, I would focus on my studies and let him do what he wants, with the knowledge that I'd be leaving soon.

It's obvious he doesn't have any regard for you. He's shown you who he is...you ignored the signs and still moved in despite really knowing him that well.

Stop hoping he will change, because he will only get worse.

meyourelookingfor · 08/09/2017 09:48

No, life is too short. Get out. Don't waste more time thinking about reasons behind his behaviour.

This uneasy feeling, recognising your relationship in the Lundy book is a learning curve. Please belive me when I say you will look back in a year and be amazed how ground down you are! Ground down by the over thinking every move he and you makes.

Get your ducks in a row and leave this relationship.

That man that you talk about. The one who is charming and you want to wrapped up in his arms does exist. It's just not him!

Be kind to yourself. You have some rough days ahead. You may even belive that you can save the relationship. I orginally posted in Jan 2014 under a different username and broke free in the June 2014. I had a different situation. It was challenging in the way that yours is. I wish I had gone sooner. I wasted 3.5 years of a 5.5 year relationship thinking I could "save it".

Crumblevision · 08/09/2017 09:50

Op your post made me feel sick. It reminded me of an ex of mine. I left him after 3 years. It is true what others have said and that he despises you. I would also wager he despises himself more (I am not excusing any crumb of his behaviour at all). This man will never change. Please remove yourself from this misery. Looking back, ex and I shouldn't have got past the first few dates. You owe it to yourself to not put up with this shit. You are not weak, and actually I believe you have all the power. You have no ties, the world is your oyster. Good luck Flowers

Walkingdead11 · 08/09/2017 09:53

He's a narcissist, GET OUT! Ring womens aid today and start making plans. Listen to those of us who know what these men are like, they never change. Please ring women's aid, you need help.

JigglyTuff · 08/09/2017 09:56

although his OTT response to anything I raised appeared early on, we could talk through it, he would admit his anger was OTT and apologise

So you didn't choose carefully really - you chose to overlook that red flag.

Look, I'm not having a go but he hasn't really changed, he's never really valued you as an equal. It's just now he can't be bothered to apologise to you. And if you think people don't notice what he's like with you, I suspect you're wrong. He's not exactly been hiding it in front of his friends, has he?

I'm fairly sure they feel very sorry for you, living with an obnoxious bully.

meyourelookingfor · 08/09/2017 10:00

Also that 'you need help' line... makes my blood boil!

You are not alone. Once you remove this heavy burden from your life you'll see things clearly.

You will grieve, you'll feel weak, angry, strong. Pretty much every emotion under the sun!

I remember when I was finally in my new place having moved hundreds of miles. I knew I'd done the right thing but I cried like a baby that first night... surrounded by boxes! There was still a tiny part of me that wondered if I'd done the right thing.

Now 3 years later I know I have! My life is not perfect but I'm respected and my views are listened too. I'm not second guessing anyone and I enjoy my time with my partner.

RestingBitchFaced · 08/09/2017 10:06

Why are you letting him treat you like this? Leave! He sounds like a nasty piece of work, and it will only get worse not better - you can't fix this, and he doesn't deserve you

KatharinaRosalie · 08/09/2017 10:10

He told me how his ex said he was abusive towards her, "me an abuser! Can you believe that?". - you can now, can't you?

He's a nasty, mean man who makes you miserable. The life you were picturing unfortuinately cannot happen with him. But it could with somebody else.

I was with a guy who in the matter of weeks had made me believe I was totally stupid and always doing something wrong that upset him. Turns out, it wasn't me after all (and his next girlfriend actually commited suicide, I don't know why but I have my suspicions). I went on to marry an absolutely lovely man who thinks I'm amazing.

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 08/09/2017 10:40

Just get sorted out with your finances and leave
New Beginnings
Pack up and store if need be.
Save your emotional well being and get out.

Isetan · 08/09/2017 11:15

The harsh truth is you slept walked into another abusive relationship and willingly abandoned your accommodation and friends close by safety net, to do so.

This is who he and yes, even if you had known him longer he would still be a knob but you could have given yourself more of an opportunity to discover that.

You've been asking the wrong question all along, it isn't, 'why is he like this?' but 'why the hell did I accept his poor treatment of me'?

You need to start making plans to leave as soon as possible, there are always choices and staying and putting up with his crap, is a choice.

BenLui · 08/09/2017 12:49

Whatonearth you do understand that he spent the evening being charming to his son as a punishment to you don't you?

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks of him though. It matters what you think of him.

The person he shows to everyone else is the mask, the person he shows at home is real.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/09/2017 13:18

Jesus Christ.

Just joining in the chorus here.

GET THE FUCK OUT.

How long do your studies last? I do understand the difficulty. You certinaly could try the polite detachment and make your plans if it's only a couple of months or so you will be tied to that location. Because to be honest I'm not sure that it wouldn't be better simply to plan to move straight back to where friends are as soon as you finish, rather than go through the stress of finding another place to live close to your studies and him if it's a short timeframe.

A couple of things to think about:

  • a year is nothing compared to a miserable lifetime - especially if (god forbid) you were to have kids with this abusive arse. At least you are alone, mobile, not tied. It's an absolute BLESSING you're at this point before you have a pregnancy, mortgage, permanent job tied in with him.
  • you didn't choose carefully - you ignored massive early red flags when you saw his nasty abusive temper slip out. Now you know. You won't do that next time. Have some time alone after this, get some counselling. You will be ok, and you will learn from this.
  • 'the loving version of him' -?? - you mean the fake face? The false facade? A person is either loving or not, either gentle or not. Abusive ranting controlling shits don't have 'loving versions' of themselves, they have times when they pretend to be something they aren't, so that their victims never have it bad enough to leave. Learn this too, and you will benefit from it.
  • you'll find super support on here. You will get out and you will be fine.
OlderGolder · 08/09/2017 13:18

My children's father pulled that crap too. How his mother had let him down. His xgf had been a disappointment to him in some vague never explained way. Women had LET HIM DOWN and therefore I felt manipulated in to being the ambassador for all women. I had to prove that women would not let him down. Jayzuss I lost seve
n years of my life to that crap!!!! He has added me to the list of women who let him down, no doubt, but i'm free. No doubt he's already full of self-pity that our daughter has ''let him down'' by not texting him, ringing him, caretaking him

Don't fall for it! Flowers

OlderGolder · 08/09/2017 13:21

So he's telling you that there will be hell to pay when this is ''discussed''. Nothing will be discussed. He will concede nothing. He will accept no criticism. He will roar at you, making you ''pay hell'' and he's warned you of this in advance.

Please don't stick around for that.

butterfly56 · 08/09/2017 14:27

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sonjadog · 08/09/2017 16:27

Can you go away somewhere this weekend? Just leave the house and get away from him. I hate the thought of you going through your day waiting for this horrible, horrible man to verbally abuse you.

It will hurt breaking up, but it passes. I have always found the heartbreak passes long before the affect of the nasty comments wears off. By breaking up, you are giving yourself the chance to move on quicker, to not let him grind down your self-esteem. Get away from him as soon as you can.

Isetan · 08/09/2017 16:43

Stop wasting your energies/ distracting yourself by wishing that the act you fell for would reappear, it won't, it was only there long enough to reel you in. This version of him is the real him and it sounds like you're still holding out for the fantasy to reappear.

There is a way out from your emotional turmoil but you have to want it.

RubyGoat · 08/09/2017 16:54

He sounds a lot like my ex. I totally recognise the charming facade, it's so easy to fall for, & no-one else believes there is another side. He was also very controlling, & had an anger problem. If I disobeyed him, spoke wrong etc. He frightened me. Other times he could be lovely & shower me with gifts. He never apologised for his actions though. But, I stayed with him for 3 years, he got worse, because he knew I'd take it, every time it got just a little bit worse, he pushed just a bit more. Please don't make the same mistake.

SeraphinaDombegh · 10/09/2017 09:06

How are you doing this morning, OP? Flowers

WhatOnEarth7 · 11/09/2017 00:05

Hello SeraphinaDombegh, thank you for asking.

OH left for the weekend without a word to me, gone before I woke up. I couldn't bear being there, I've come far away and am among dear friends who are looking after me.

The flowers smell lovely. Smile

OP posts:
LoveDeathPrizes · 11/09/2017 01:07

You deserve so much better.

I find his hostility a bit cliche. And by that I mean he attacks using a lot of stuff it sounds like he's borrowed. We're his parents nasty to him? I can't think why else he speaks to you with the scorn of an angry parent.

Either way, not your problem to solve I know. Stay strong.

tallwivglasses · 11/09/2017 01:22

Good for you OP. Glad your friends are there for you

flatpopcrapcrisps · 11/09/2017 01:43

Glad you have good friends

Cambionome · 11/09/2017 07:05

Well done op. Do you need to go back or is this a final break? Flowers

outofmymind2 · 11/09/2017 07:43

Haven't RTFT yet, If it's like this after a year it will just get worse and worse.
Please make arrangements to leave, you deserve a good life not one worrying about when he's next going to blow up over something minor

Flowers