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Months of arguments, now this morning..

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WhatOnEarth7 · 07/09/2017 12:07

OH and I have had almost weekly tension-filled incidents for a few months now. We have been together for a year and I know we need to settle into each other, but it seems I cannot raise any concerns or talk about things without him going nuclear. This morning was the worst, and I think we might be over.

He does a number of things which have made me feel uncomfortable, for example he is attached to his mobile 24/7, texts and receives texts constantly in front of me and in mid-conversation, he'll pick up his phone whilst we're in the same room or in the middle of me speaking and just leave me hanging (I have tried carrying on talking, he tunes out completely and has no idea what I've just said), and he'll check or text someone, put the phone down, usually face down, without a word and either carries on with what he's doing, or look back at me if we're speaking and say "yes? what did you say?". I tried hinting at how uncomfortable this makes me.. no response.. then we have had several rows about it. He says it's not rude, that my discomfort is my problem, he's a busy man and has got work people texting him and emails to write and how inconsiderate I am.

This morning another bubbling issue came up. He said he was furious that I had dared ask him last night if he discusses our home life with people from work. He said he was angry and that this question was inappropriate and out of order for me to ask, and he couldn't work out what was going on in my head to ask him that. So I told him why - because of an email I had seen from a (female) work colleague on his desktop (I hadn't snooped, the first line was open in the preview pane when he was showing me another email.. I was shocked..), saying aaaw how sorry she was.. hope everything's ok... and to give her a call. This was right in the middle of a really horrible few days where he'd been stonewalling me most of the time. The same woman I overheard him in a phone call dropping in a peculiar comment about having 'troubles'.

Whatever it is, every time I express any discomfort, or even want to talk about anything that's troubling me in a calm, adult way, he blows up. He has even called my attempts to talk about things "mistreatment" of him, says he's had years of been mistreated like this by his ex.

I've been at my wits end for months on how to broach any topic without him going ballistic. This morning I answered his question, and instead of him reassuring me or thinking, "ah that's why you've been so worried" he went through the roof, turned really, really nasty in the way he spoke to me and left saying "that's probably the last straw"..and "if you ever ask another inappropriate question like that, we're over, get out of my sight".

These threats of ending the relationship, the stonewalling, the tension in the air... I feel sick and confused why any expression has to end up in war and I cannot bear the way he speaks to me, I don't speak to him like this and I find I am always the one who tries to get us talking and things back on track.

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paradoxicalInterruption · 07/09/2017 14:23

Find a flat share or house share. Pack up your stuff and go. Meet some new people, concentrate on yourself and in a year's time you'll look back and realise it was the best decision you ever made.

butterfly56 · 07/09/2017 14:26

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JigglyTuff · 07/09/2017 14:32

Go when he is at work. Just clear out, block his number and disappear. Tell your university you have left an abusive relationship and need support. Contact your welfare office - they will help you.

He's trying to isolate you and make it very clear that you are unimportant. That your needs count for nothing. That you are less important than his colleagues and his time. That you must wait until he decides he's ready to talk to you.

Did you do the Freedom programme after your last relationship ended? Would you consider doing it now?

WhatOnEarth7 · 07/09/2017 14:37

butterfly56 He will be emailing and texting people and keep his phone close to him as a form of control and to mess with your head.

Do you know what, I actually wondered if he started doing that deliberately do just that? It was absolutely unfathomable to me how anybody, man or woman, could keep their phone attached to them so much, place it face down in front of their partner, text and not say anything, look at it in the middle of their partner speaking and still not say a word. Then when I said something he blew up. Then when I calmly explained how sensitive I was to that sort of thing given my ex's behaviour (I never once saw his phone out, and caught him texting a woman when I walked into a room, and he literally jumped out of his skin and hid his phone in a locked bureau), I thought surely he'd want to reassure me, or at least behave in a normal way, the wanting to show he cares being the most important aspect to this all?

But no. He does the opposite.

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JigglyTuff · 07/09/2017 14:44

He treats you with utter contempt. Like he absolutely hates you.

Really, just go. This is just going to get worse.

This is about the third thread in the last 24 hours I've read where men are treating women like absolute dirt. It's so very sad.

Goldmandra · 07/09/2017 14:45

You are mistaken in thinking that you can ever do anything to make this situation better.

You are not causing this behaviour. You are not responsible for making it better. He is choosing to treat you like this because it is what he wants.

He does not want a relationship in which he has to listen to your concerns. He wants a relationship in which his wishes and needs prevail and you feel like you are being greedy for asking anything of him.

Has he encouraged you to drop connections with friends? It is a classic abuser's strategy to make sure that you have no outside support to turn to.

The good bits of your relationship are probably fewer and further between than you realise already and they are probably tainted with fear that you will make a wrong move and get shouted at or criticised at any moment. As your relationship progresses, those good bits will disappear altogether. All you will be left with is a memory of what you thought you had and a feeling that, if only you could get things right, the good times might happen again.

No good bits are worth putting up with abusive behaviour.

As time goes on, his abuse is likely to escalate and he will persuade you that each incident was something you caused and deserved. You'll end up apologising to him for making him do it to you.

Find a way to leave the relationship and go through with it. He is very likely to grovel and apologise, promise to change his ways, tell you he's realised that it was him, not you and offer the moon on a stick to get you back. Do not believe him. He has shown you what he is really like and he is not going to change. You might briefly get some more lovely times with him but, once he feels secure that you're back for good, the abusive behaviour will start again and probably escalate more quickly this time.

You deserve to be in a relationship with someone who will treat you with the same kindness and respect you will offer them. Walk away from anybody who doesn't live up to that.

Flowers
CockacidalManiac · 07/09/2017 14:56

It shouldn't be like this. As others have suggested, approach the university support services for help.

He is a controlling, narcissistic,probably borderline, personality and the classic isolation of the partner is a big giveaway.

I see the armchair psychologists are out.

Hissy · 07/09/2017 15:07

it's about destabilising you. making you weak. keeping you in your place.

ReanimatedSGB · 07/09/2017 15:34

It won't get better, OP. Even if you tie yourself up in knots trying to obey and second-guess his every whim, there will still be outbursts of aggression from him, because it's not even about getting you to 'be the woman he wants'. It's about power. it's about reminding you that he is your boss/owner and you should never, every expect anything from him. And he will attack you however you behave, because he sees it as his right to do so.

Atenco · 07/09/2017 15:44

You know you told what your weak point is and instead of reassuring you, he is behaving quite madly in the way that you find most upsetting.

One of my ex-bf's used to use my weak points against. I have a bit of social phobia, so he used to make up stories about people complaining about me or not understanding why he was with me. Another one was the polar opposite, he always said things to build up my confidence and make me feel good about myself and my friendships.

Applebloom · 07/09/2017 15:52

Yep he's training you to never ever dare question him or have an opinion on his disrespectful rude behaviour.
Completely unhealthy dynamic in a relationship.
You don't and shouldn't have to settle in to this type of behaviour

Listen to you instincts yes he is rude because you feel it and your feelings are valid.
Your bf has no right to disagree with feelings extremely dismissive and invalidating and it slowly teaches you to ignore your own thoughts on future issues. Which by the way you should never ignore own feelings.

What's the point of this battle after only a year? sometimes people aren't suited to each because one is a rude secretive disrespectful arsehole!

WhatOnEarth7 · 07/09/2017 16:09

What a day. These posts are really helping.

I have been blamed for so much these past months, that I am causing all this trouble, and I know I am not, but I am so desperate to avoid war I have probably misconstrued the 'pick your battles' advice. Every time something hurtful happens, I've been thinking, "no, pick your battles, don't say anything..." and I have started to believe I am over sensitive because that's what OH tells me.. but inside I do feel so disrespected.

This morning I never got a chance to explain what seeing that email did to me, only that it made me wonder if he discusses his home life with this woman. I asked him before after I heard that "troubles" comment, and he said he would never discuss anything with a work colleague as that would be totally inappropriate, he knows nothing about her home life and she knows nothing about his. He said.

Yet this morning he goes nuclear when I say the reason why I probably went a bit quiet last night when he started talking about her was this email. He wouldn't even entertain my feelings about it, or empathise, he just went mad, told me I needed 'help', he doesn't know how my mind works, get out of his sight etc, and when I said that anybody seeing that would probably wonder hang on, what's this woman so sorry about hearing, and can't he stand in my shoes, he said no, it's just me, nobody else would wonder anything.

But I'm not alone, am I?

And I'm skim-reading Lundy - wow. The Bea/Jesse conversation could almost be a script from my life right now.

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Fightthebear · 07/09/2017 16:21

Functioning couples listen to the other partner's issues and try and agree a way forward.

"Get out of my sight" - who the fuck does he think he is?

We need a red flag emoji for this board, "his ex mistreated him for years" would be one of them.

Sorry - but get out while you can.

WhatOnEarth7 · 07/09/2017 16:23

Incidentally, he also said my discomfort at him doing what he does with his mobile phone is also something that only I would ever feel uncomfortable about, doesn't know what's going on in my head etc etc.

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KatharinaRosalie · 07/09/2017 16:28

But even if it was all your fault - then you're clearly incompatible and he should be set free to find someone who does not upset him all the time Wink

Adora10 · 07/09/2017 16:45

OP, he can say whatever and most of it is bullshit because he is still continuing to treat you like a piece of shit; if you stay and allow it then of course it will continue, you do have free will here, it's been a year and most of that has been him treating you like something off his shoe, he has no right to do this but at the same time, you are allowing it!

Stop it now, instead of trying to work him out cos you never will, he's just a nasty prick who has no commitment to you whatsoever and the phone secrecy is probably a whole other can of worms; stand up for yourself, what would you be telling your own daughter if she told you this, exactly, get on and do it.

Giraffey1 · 07/09/2017 16:59

He doesn't seem to treat you with any respect and isn't interested in communicating with you on equal terms. If this is how he treats you now, what are things going to be like in another 6/12/24 months time? He doesn't truly care for you at all: if he did, he would not treat you like this.

You dont need to have this 'man' in your life....

WhatOnEarth7 · 07/09/2017 16:59

The other evening we went out with his friends. One of them shared a story about an issue they were having with their son. It was the same that my OH is having with his. I looked at him in a "don't we know!" way, friendly and smiling, thinking he'd share his story with his friend. He didn't. His friend looked a bit awkward as he wasn't getting any response. Evening continued and we walked back, OH a bit distant again, I had no idea why.

Two days later he lets rip: how dare I 'look' at him in that way, what was he supposed to think, he said. When I said what it was, he said "how was I supposed to know?". I asked him what else such a look could possibly have been, given I was listening to his friend, nodding, smiling (we were joking about the issue, it wasn't a heavy thing) and looked at him and smiled. "I don't know, but these looks have to stop".

It's just come back to me, after reading about "looking the wrong way" in Lundy. Sorry if I'm rambling, I'm all over the place right now.

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Atenco · 07/09/2017 17:02

But even if it was all your fault - then you're clearly incompatible and he should be set free to find someone who does not upset him all the time

This

He is either abusive or he doesn't like you (I vote for abusive). Either way it is not healthy for you to stay with this person.

Fightthebear · 07/09/2017 17:05

He's a fucking loon.

Shoxfordian · 07/09/2017 17:05

You looked at him the wrong way?!

I'd really think about how much of the lundy bancroft book you recognise because that definitely indicates that he is abusive

Adora10 · 07/09/2017 17:05

OH a bit distant again, I had no idea why.

Keep reading this OP, this is going to be your future.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 07/09/2017 17:06

Are you on the rental agreement for the place you are living? What I'm getting at is could you in theory just walk away if you had somewhere else to go?

Are you studying at a university or a college? They will have a housing or welfare team who can help you find somewhere to live.

Applebloom · 07/09/2017 17:09

Him comparing your vaild reactions to others is really irrelevant because 'others' aren't in this relationship with him, only you and if he cared about how you felt he wouldn't be looking to dismiss everything you say.

If others don't find his behaviour rude or disrespectful or invalidating or dismissive then why isn't he off out looking to be with these others instead?

loobyloo1234 · 07/09/2017 17:15

Run for the hills OP - you will look back on this chapter in your life and wonder why you stuck around even for one extra day