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What's the best way to get rid of this possibly scary guy?

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 13:30

I started seeing (if you can even call it that) this guy about 4 weeks ago. There were sparks and all that stuff. Now I am strongly suspecting that the sparks and the really strong feelings are because I subconsciously recognise him as an azzhole or at the very least emotionally unavailable, and I am very used to dealing with those.

The first time we met he was charming. Attentive, intelligent, polite and really interested in everything I had to say. The second time we met I noticed that he'd forgotten loads of the details of things he'd already asked me about. Like he asked, "where did you grow up?" when we'd already discussed where I grew up at length the first time we'd met. On this second date we spent many hours together. But I started to see a really different side to him. He'd presented himself before as a hardworking business owner. Now, he suddenly casually mentioned that he used to be a crack dealer for many years and also a cocaine dealer. That he used to even smoke crack himself. And at the moment he smokes marijuana every day. Oh, and he's technically homeless (he is illegally living inside his business premises for the time being.) It was such a strange experience, it was like I was dealing with an entirely different person. I swear, he even kind of looked a bit different.

He also talked about how the two serious longterm relationships he'd had in his life had ended really horribly. It seems the most recent one ended 3 years or so ago, but he still sounded really upset by it all. He said his work is the most important thing in his life now and that what he enjoys is "having different women friends, go over to their house, spend the night, have breakfast , no drama."

As I sat there listening to all of this I felt this sinking sense of extreme disappointment. But it was like I immediately silently glossed over what he'd really said and imagined it wasn't a problem. I even stayed the night (but we didn't have sex). Since then he seems to think we have an arrangement of some kind to maybe have casual sex in the near future and occasionally bother to text each other.

You might be reading this and thinking "What on earth is wrong with this woman?!" Well, this experience has been a wake up call in the sense that it's made me realise I have quite a lot of healing to do on myself. I'm from a background of extreme abuse (from babyhood onwards) and my idea of "normal" treatment is what most people would probably label "abuse." I've been in therapy in the past, for a number of years, and I had really hoped I was well on my way to being healed. But the fact that I got into anything with this man has me worried. What I am looking for is healthy relationships, period. That includes healthy family relationships, healthy platonic friendships, and ultimately a healthy romantic relationship. I want to give and receive love and respect. Clearly this man could not possibly be more unsuitable. What on earth was I thinking?

Before I came to my senses I tentatively set up a date with him for this weekend. He clearly thinks he is coming to my flat for sex (have not had sex with him but have "made out" in the past). It's clearly best I don't see him again. I'm not sure what to say to make this clear to him though. Help?

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Mrscropley · 31/08/2017 13:32

Sorry but it isn't working for me anymore. . .. And block him. .

ptumbi · 31/08/2017 13:41

How about 'I don't think I am ready to date...' and block?

Does he know where you live?

TheNaze73 · 31/08/2017 13:43

This isn't working for me & I have decided to end it. Then block

DancesWithOtters · 31/08/2017 13:44

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hellsbellsmelons · 31/08/2017 13:49

TheNaze has it.
Send that text now then block, ignore and delete.
Do get onto Womens Aid.
They can help you with local therapists that specialise in these situations.
Be firm - make it crystal clear.
No 'I think' etc....
Work on you for now before even considering another relationship.

Transcendence · 31/08/2017 13:59

Thanks. Can Womens Aid even assist women who are not in an abusive relationship at present?

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Aquamarine1029 · 31/08/2017 14:05

Text a brief message and then never respond, to anything, ever again. Some people say to block immediately, but there's another side to consider - it can be important to know if he threatens you or starts to stalk you. You would need information to get help from the police. Without question, NEVER communicate with him again by responding. Do whatever you think is best in terms of blocking, but definitely end this right now.

Transcendence · 31/08/2017 14:07

Apologies if this seems like a silly question but....so I'm not wrong in thinking that this man is potentially EXTREMELY bad news then?

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AdalindSchade · 31/08/2017 14:08

Does he have your address?

AdalindSchade · 31/08/2017 14:09

Drug dealer
Homeless
Drug user
Emotionally unavailable
Sexually exploitative
Dismissive
Doesn't listen to you

What do those things indicate to you? NOT Being snarky, genuine question

Transcendence · 31/08/2017 14:14

When you break it down like that it sounds absolutely horrendous. I'm really shocked I didn't see this immediately.

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 14:15

No, he doesn't have my address. He doesn't even know my surname, probably because he doesn't care about bothering to know women's surnames!

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Ttbb · 31/08/2017 14:18

Well then just say that someone in the family died and you have to cancel your date for that reason. He will probably be put right off if he thinks that he's going to have to put up wit emotional stuff from you.

peaandhamsoup · 31/08/2017 14:18

Done this too.

It's better to just block and move on. And keep blocking them. Just learnt who I thought was healthy was actually incredibly far from it and got hurt. I think you have to start having a no leeway policy - any flag is enough of a flag. Block and onwards. No conversations. Just disappear.

Yes they may be ok after all... but as a vulnerable person you're not who should stick around to find that out. Let someone else

Mrscropley · 31/08/2017 14:21

Please repeat to yourself that YOU WILL NOT BE THE ONE WHO CHANGES HIM. . .
he doesn't need saved either. .
But you do - now bin him. .

Neolara · 31/08/2017 14:26

Ummm, yes, he is definitely potentially EXTREMELY bad news. In itself, the ex crack dealer issue an absolute "run a mile" signal if ever there was one.

On the positive side, you've clearly got to a place were you are alert to the fact he is not a good catch and it seems from what you've said that this is not something you've been able to do in the past. So congratulations. Huge progress!

Just tell him you're not around this weekend, and sorry, but unfortunately you don't think things are going to work out between you, so it's best if he doesn't contact you again.

Beentherelefthimgotthetshirt · 31/08/2017 14:28

Given his hard drug use do think seriously about getting blood tests if you've shared bodily fluids in any way even if you didn't engage in PIV sex. Your local GUM clinic or GP can advise you appropriately.

Aquamarine1029 · 31/08/2017 14:33

Does he know where you work? Make sure all of your social media accounts like Twitter or Facebook are set to the highest privacy level possible. This guy is bad news and you need to be very careful.

HirplesWithHaggis · 31/08/2017 14:43

I don't have much to contribute, but just wanted to say I think you've actually handled this really well, Transcendence. A few weeks chatting and a couple of dates and you're ready to bin him off, because you know he's a wrong 'un, even if you couldn't articulate why. Looks like pretty good progress to me. Flowers

AdoraBell · 31/08/2017 14:49

I agree with Aquiremarine

ImperialBlether · 31/08/2017 14:55

I agree. He sounds awful, but at least you recognise that now.

Transcendence · 31/08/2017 14:57

Awesome. Thanks for pointing that out!

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 14:58

No bodily fluids exchanged. All that happened was kissing and a little touching.

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 14:59

Oh and the icing on the cake: he once went to prison. You really couldn't make this up.

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SwimmingInWater · 31/08/2017 15:05

Here are a few things for you to consider, OP (based on experience, something slightly similar, met him through online dating; not a drug dealer, a bit more respectable but dropped some howlers. I remember feeling "the fear")

  1. good he knows as little about you as possible! not even your full name or address!
  1. good you're only a few weeks in!
  1. good you recognised your own fear telling you something. but beware, fear (I read once) can be read as excitement, even slight sexual excitement. so if you are tempted to go back, its worth remembering.
  1. I would be cautious about blocking as a first response.
  1. With dangerous people its worth remembering they have huge, fragile egos. I adopted "its not you, its me" approach to keep his ego in tact. Maybe that was cowardly, but I was actually quite scared.
  1. Luckily its very early days so you can be more casual, but I think you should be pleasant and casual, rather than abrupt and casual, and definitely don't blame him. Just a neutral kind of response, maybe saying you don't think its a good idea to continue (whatever) and you don't feel ready for a relationship.
  1. He will most likely continue to contact you. I agree do not respond. A few weeks/months down the line, get a new number. Just to make sure. I would not block though. If he is actually dangerous, that may enrage him.
  1. He sounds personality-disordered, but remember the next one may be a complete tool without having a personality disorder as well, and you may be so desperate to prove there are some decent men you may overlook that! Well I did anyway.
  1. So - cue - unless you are very clear, always take things very, very slowly. Listen to a man, he will tell you or show you (usually) who he is very early on.
  1. Remember (as you get older!) you realise men aren't all that. They're not even the prize. The reality is the inversion of whats socially presented.