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What's the best way to get rid of this possibly scary guy?

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 13:30

I started seeing (if you can even call it that) this guy about 4 weeks ago. There were sparks and all that stuff. Now I am strongly suspecting that the sparks and the really strong feelings are because I subconsciously recognise him as an azzhole or at the very least emotionally unavailable, and I am very used to dealing with those.

The first time we met he was charming. Attentive, intelligent, polite and really interested in everything I had to say. The second time we met I noticed that he'd forgotten loads of the details of things he'd already asked me about. Like he asked, "where did you grow up?" when we'd already discussed where I grew up at length the first time we'd met. On this second date we spent many hours together. But I started to see a really different side to him. He'd presented himself before as a hardworking business owner. Now, he suddenly casually mentioned that he used to be a crack dealer for many years and also a cocaine dealer. That he used to even smoke crack himself. And at the moment he smokes marijuana every day. Oh, and he's technically homeless (he is illegally living inside his business premises for the time being.) It was such a strange experience, it was like I was dealing with an entirely different person. I swear, he even kind of looked a bit different.

He also talked about how the two serious longterm relationships he'd had in his life had ended really horribly. It seems the most recent one ended 3 years or so ago, but he still sounded really upset by it all. He said his work is the most important thing in his life now and that what he enjoys is "having different women friends, go over to their house, spend the night, have breakfast , no drama."

As I sat there listening to all of this I felt this sinking sense of extreme disappointment. But it was like I immediately silently glossed over what he'd really said and imagined it wasn't a problem. I even stayed the night (but we didn't have sex). Since then he seems to think we have an arrangement of some kind to maybe have casual sex in the near future and occasionally bother to text each other.

You might be reading this and thinking "What on earth is wrong with this woman?!" Well, this experience has been a wake up call in the sense that it's made me realise I have quite a lot of healing to do on myself. I'm from a background of extreme abuse (from babyhood onwards) and my idea of "normal" treatment is what most people would probably label "abuse." I've been in therapy in the past, for a number of years, and I had really hoped I was well on my way to being healed. But the fact that I got into anything with this man has me worried. What I am looking for is healthy relationships, period. That includes healthy family relationships, healthy platonic friendships, and ultimately a healthy romantic relationship. I want to give and receive love and respect. Clearly this man could not possibly be more unsuitable. What on earth was I thinking?

Before I came to my senses I tentatively set up a date with him for this weekend. He clearly thinks he is coming to my flat for sex (have not had sex with him but have "made out" in the past). It's clearly best I don't see him again. I'm not sure what to say to make this clear to him though. Help?

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 15:08

What an amazing post Swimming. I've got a few questions if you don't mind. Got to dash out but be back shortly x

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Shoxfordian · 31/08/2017 15:12

Everything swimming said

Plus maybe look into the freedom programme or a similar course to help you recognise these men in the future and to be more assertive as you don't seem assertive. Counselling might help too.

PollytheDolly · 31/08/2017 15:20

Swimming has it.

Look after yourself OP. It's good you're getting out now, he doesn't sound good.

hellsbellsmelons · 31/08/2017 15:20

Yes Womens Aid can help you as you have been in previously abusive relationships, whether that be with family or men.
As PP said, you can do their Freedom Programme.
They can help support you right now so keep trying them.

Please also read through THIS THREAD

LeninaCrowne · 31/08/2017 15:34

As he has lots of different women friends, hopefully he shouldn't get too upset about you backing away.

Transcendence · 31/08/2017 18:42

Yeah, it sounds like he's sh*gging everything that moves so hopefully he won't hassle me after I get rid

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 18:42

@SwimmingInWater, I would really love to find out more about what you mean by "The reality is the inversion of whats socially presented."

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 18:43

I already had years of therapy and this is the state I'm still in, lol. The therapy did help. If this had been me pre-therapy I'd probably have slept with this guy and be about to move in with him or something by now, lol

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PsychedelicSheep · 31/08/2017 19:14

Substance abuse
Superficially charming
Recidivism
Parasitic lifestyle

Sounds potentially sociopathic to me. Well done for listening to your gut on this one!

Transcendence · 31/08/2017 19:49

Yup all of that. Ugh.

Earlier, I scanned back to see which red flags I had missed and when. On the first meeting he really did a great job of hiding who he really is. I don't think there was even one red flag. However, on the second meeting, it was red flag after red flag after red flag. It was not even remotely subtle.

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 19:52

Earlier this week I had some really good career news. I got a job to present a small but regular slot on a fairly well known TV show. I was so excited about it. Told this guy, he didn't even bother to say "congratulations" or "when's it on so I can tune in?" His only response was something like "better not embarrass yourself" followed by a text message that was basically asking me: "so when we gonna f*ck?"

Yuck.

Meanwhile the normal people in my life, including a normal and sane potential love interest, were extremely supportive and excited about my news and wanted all the details.

It was pretty much at that moment that I came to my senses and realised quite how terrible this guy is.

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Sugarpiehoneyeye · 31/08/2017 20:06

OP, well done on recognising that you were heading down a familiar path.
Have you sent him the text yet ?, if not, do if now, then it's done with.
As suggested up thread, don't block him, and don't delete any messages he may send, just incase.
Under no circumstances reply to him.
Sounds like you are now on your way, to finding real love.❤️
Congratulations on your new job ! ⭐️

Transcendence · 31/08/2017 20:29

Thanks xx

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 21:50

It's weird how I'd just glossed over so many red flags. It's all coming flooding back now. He drove after having consumed 1.5 bottles of wine himself. He invited a shop assistant to come visit him right in front of me. He had no idea how to behave or order in a restaurant and was really jumpy and bizarre. He glared at me like I was a madwoman when I said I'm not interested in friends with benefits stuff. He's full of rage at both his ex-wife and his ex-girlfriend --- and according to him everything was their fault, not his.

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Transcendence · 31/08/2017 21:55

oh, and according to him Hitler wasn't a bad man and FGM (female genital mutiliation) is no big deal. Shock

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ptumbi · 01/09/2017 09:03

So have you heard from this git since, OP?

If only there was a way we could warn the rest of womankind to steer clear - didn't Hitler tattoo 'wrongdoers'? Maybe we could try it. After all, he wasn't that bad....just a small one, across the forehead, sure he wouldn't mind.

Angry

What a bastard

ptumbi · 01/09/2017 09:05

OR - a bit of Male Genital mutilation? Just to let the rest of us know what he's like? A few studs, maybe? A bit of sewing/few stitches?

ScarlettDarling · 01/09/2017 09:22

Dear God op, he's a peach isn't he?! Shock

Just in case you need any more convincing...don't touch him with a barge pole! Don't bother with excuses or giving him reasons, just don't respond to any calls or texts.

PollytheDolly · 01/09/2017 09:31

Ugh, he's grim.

Ohyesiam · 01/09/2017 09:35

Op, you are amazing. You have really moved mountains and come so far.
And with this piece of slime you have sharpened your senses even more.
You need to really be proud of yourself for getting out early on.
Well done with healing your past, it's the biggest job anyone can do.

LeninaCrowne · 01/09/2017 09:43

Former crack dealer and a very casual attitude to sex is a massive red flag.

(I know of someone who thought she was being rebellious by being the girlfriend of a south London crack dealer but soon needed to be treated for syphilis).

Drunk driving, wildly inappropriate behaviour in a restaurant, and sees nothing wrong with Hitler and FGM....I hope he really doesn't have your address!

bibliomania · 01/09/2017 10:00

Well done on listening to your gut - you've come a long way to be able to pick this up relatively early. And congrats on the TV slot!

Completely agree with Swimming that for safety reasons, you don't want to challenge his fragile ego. I'd take the "It's not you, it's me" line. The gray rock technique is worth looking at.

exisaknob · 01/09/2017 10:44

OP did you meet him on a dating site and is he Arab looking? Sounds suspiciously like one I met. Hopefully he's not!

Transcendence · 01/09/2017 11:12

I'd like to thank all of you who have replied here and been so support. Thank you so much. It's not easy to open up about something like this as it makes me feel/look like such a loser. But, honestly, your helpful and non-judgmental responses have contributed towards me finding the inner strength to both move on from this absurd situation and seek further healing.

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Transcendence · 01/09/2017 11:13

@ExIsAKnob, no I bumped into him in person, not via a dating site. But he could definitely be described as "Arab looking." Blimey. Could it be the same guy???

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