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Is this too messy?

89 replies

Crowdo · 08/08/2017 14:25

I hardly know where to start with this.

A very old friend of mine and I were recently both broken up with by our partners. He was married to his partner. She's also a long term, very close, friend of mine. In fact, I was bridesmaid at their wedding.

We've been spending a lot of time together. A few weeks back, he said that he had a crush on me.

He's now told me that he loves me.

We've messed around a few times. But he refuses to have sex with me. He says he can't do it because he's a broken man. Obviously, I've said to him that this is absolutely fine and he is entitled to say no to sex. But things have got very heated and it is causing me frustration.

I don't know if I should just walk away. It sounds like it's a rebound thing, for both of us. I'm not really over my ex and I suspect he isn't either. But he does make me feel very happy. I wasn't treated very nicely in my last relationship. So it's kind of hard for me to have someone be nice to me because I find it overwhelming. But it's very lovely to be treated nicely.

He's an incredibly kind person. He's told me I'm not under any obligation to reciprocate his feelings. But I don't know what to do. I mean, being bridesmaid at his wedding!

His ex wife does know about it (because she saw us together!!) and has said she's ok with it. She left him for someone else.

Too messy?

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Crowdo · 08/08/2017 16:19

I managed to get my hand on it once for a few seconds before he took my hand away. Apart from that, he won't let me near it.

He's just asked me if I want to hang out tonight. Argh what to say??

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thestamp · 08/08/2017 16:22

OP the more you say, the more it sounds like you should back away. He doesn't sound in a good place.

That one DS of yours does need your full attention. I understand what you mean about a part time relationship - in theory, it seems like that would shield your son from any effect - but (please hear this bit) you WILL be affected by thoughts about the relationship on the days you have your son.

This man DOES sound pretty depressed and complicated right now. He doesn't sound like he can "give" in a relationship at the moment, he is going to be taking from you without giving back (starting with not giving sexual contact). Which means you will be carrying that energy drain into your time with DS. You can say that you won't, but you will, sorry, I've been there. Don't do it.

Based on your updates I'd walk away pronto. Nothing good can come of this. If you're really that compatible and he's that lovely, he can stand to wait a year or so before jumping into this.

thestamp · 08/08/2017 16:24

I strongly suspect he's looking to spend time with you so that he can avoid the howling void created by his ex leaving him.

By climbing into that space, you are giving him comfort in the short term, sure, but you need to understand, he is not even able to notice that you are a whole person separate to his ex and not actually designed to meet his needs.

You will be heartbroken when he starts to notice who you really are, and finds you wanting because you are not his ex

user1499333856 · 08/08/2017 16:28

What is really frustrating is entering in to any relationship where vague statements abound like 'I'm a broken man'.

Nothing ever gets resolved. Nothing changes and you end up inhibited.

It's just not worth it.

Crowdo · 08/08/2017 16:30

I was actually thinking it would be nice for my son as I wouldn't have been treated as horribly as I was by my ex. So I wouldn't have an emotional drain.

I agree that he's probably not thinking straight at the moment.

I still haven't replied to his message asking to hang out. I better had soon.

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Crowdo · 08/08/2017 16:34

I agree the 'broken man' thing is eye rolling. It's all a bit overdramatic.

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LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 08/08/2017 16:37

FAR too messy and close to home.

And you know what happens after you drain yourself putting the broken man back together again OP? He fucks off with someone else who doesn't remind him of his ex.

I'd steer well clear.

KJPxx · 08/08/2017 16:38

Could you talk to him and explain that you care for him but you need intimacy. Then say you should just be friends? Maybe bring up another man that floats your boat. Nothing like the green eyed monster to get the blood flowing..

category12 · 08/08/2017 16:43

Jeez you "managed to get your hand on it" before he stopped you? You sound like a sex pest. I would not like to feel that way.

I would back off until he's actually ready to have a full relationship with you. It's obviously too soon.

Crowdo · 08/08/2017 16:56

I'm really not a sex pest. I've been very understanding about it all. I put my hand on it because he was rubbing it on my leg. He's gone pretty far up to the sex thing. He's definitely interested.

I've said to him I might hang out later. I don't know what to do.

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socubatevira · 08/08/2017 17:05

It's prob all in there but can you specifically answer these please so I can follow correctly and better advise:

How long have you been split from your exes?
Who's relationship ended first?
How did it come about you two were spending so much time together?
We're there any shenanigans pre-break ups?
Who made the first move?
How long have you two been 'dating'?
What is his social circle like, does he go out much?
What is yours like?
How long into this did he say he loved you?
Are your ex and him close at all, socially?
Is his ex in a new relationship? Is yours?

talonofthehawk · 08/08/2017 17:07

'a broken man' I mean.. come on..

user1499333856 · 08/08/2017 17:08

Please consider whether you are sexually compatible when you know this about him already.

I have experience of this which I regret. But I was in far too deep to back out once it got underway. I'm still with him. If you can't get fireworks going at the start, I don't see how it will be any better down the line. That's not how it works.

I am now in an eternal monologue of having the 'talk' about our sex life. We try. We love each other. We find value in other things but ultimately, we were never on the same page. I see similar threads on MN all the time.

You will make yourself very unhappy.

Ruddygreattiger2016 · 08/08/2017 17:14

He sounds like a headfuck, who needs this drama and frustration??? What the hell is in this for you!?!? Bin.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 08/08/2017 17:14

Does he have a STI?

Crowdo · 08/08/2017 17:32

I totally agree it's a headfuck. But he is a nice person and I'm 100 % sure it's not emotional manipulation. He's extremely intelligent and very kind. He has always worked in a caring role where he has to be very patient. He really is a great guy.

We've been split from our exes since about May.
The relationships ended pretty much at the same time. Within the same few weeks.
We spent a lot of time together because we are old friends and it was nice to hang out.
We've never done anything before this when in our relationships. We always liked each other a lot and were quite close though.
He made the first move.
We're not dating, but he made the first move erm about a month ago.
He doesn't go out much.
I go out quite frequently and have a big social group.
He said he loved me at the weekend.
Him and my ex know each other, but aren't close.
My ex is not in a relationship. His is because she dumped him for someone else.

We're definitely sexually compatible. We have talked about it and we like the same things. It's been very sexual so far. Although, we haven't had sex.

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crazymissdaisy · 08/08/2017 17:33

It sounds rather as if you are both enjoying the familiar teddy bear feeling of each other emotionally, like comfort food often being from childhood. But you aren't just cuddle buddies because then biology kicks in and you both want to have sex. Ask him what he is afraid might happen if he let nature take its course and you fucked? Could it be it's just scaring him because it definitely means his relationship with his ex is over?

Crowdo · 08/08/2017 17:34

There's no way he has an STI. He would say so if he did. Plus, he's only ever had sex with one person for about twenty years, so nowhere he could get it from.

Maybe also because he hasn't had sex with anyone else, it's a really big deal for him.

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VladmirsPoutine · 08/08/2017 17:36

OP, do you know that there are other men in the world who'd be interested in dating you? Some of them might even not be your good friend's ex partner with no sexual hiccups? Bizarre idea, but have you ever considered that you don't need to wade through all this shit?

QuiteLikely5 · 08/08/2017 17:37

Either way he is keeping something from you so he isn't all that.

I just cba with such a carry on

VladmirsPoutine · 08/08/2017 17:37

Your OP asked "Is this too messy?" I'd say it is basically ridiculous if not entirely disastrous. Move on. Don't waste time on him - I reckon he rather enjoys all your care and attention. Get the fuck out of this.

talonofthehawk · 08/08/2017 17:37

So what are you going to do?
You're rejecting every option bar seeing him and his non sex?

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 08/08/2017 17:39

Sounds like a variant on hysterical bonding to me, but with his ex's friend instead of his ex. Far too messy car crash I'd say.

Crowdo · 08/08/2017 17:39

I'm not really interested in having sex with some random guy from my social group, although I'm sure I could. I would rather not have sex with someone unless I really like them. I'm very picky. So the fact that I want to have sex with him is a big deal.

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Crowdo · 08/08/2017 17:40

I really don't know what to do. Part of me thinks he's such a lovely guy and I'm developing really strong feelings for him. Another part thinks, well just look at all this shit. Get out.

I don't know what is right. We definitely can't go back to being just friends.

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