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I don't know what to do

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lollipop7 · 25/07/2017 23:34

I gave up a career and a good life miles away when I feel pregnant with a man I thought I was in love with.
He asked me to marry him, told me he would always ta,e care upon us, encouraged me to take redundancy and plough it into our life together.
I'm now pregnant with our third child and si trapped and unhappy.

I have no job, no money and apart from my mum nowhere to go.
He has decided I'm good enough to have children with but not in his exact words "good enough to marry"
My credit rating has been ruined by a case of mistaken identity delisted notes of satisfaction. He's had all my money as I believed him all these years.
Last year when out second child was six months old I left before we moved house. I discovered a series of message to his drinking friends and parents that I had PND and was mentally ill. None of which is true.
He begged Me for a final chance, promised me he'd get therapy and set up a Trust Deed to acknowledge my contribution,
A year on and nothing. He is worse than ever and thanks to being pressured for sex one night I am six months pregnant.
He was out mountain biking with a friend tonight and our son managed to open two safety gates and fall halfway down the stairs. When he Came back home he was sulking and said he was obviously fine. Then two hours later he accused me of actually throwing himself down the stairs to get him home early because I am unwell and jealous of him having a life.
There are so many things I could write here but I can't face committing them all to paper, suffice to say they revolve around emotional abuse such as disdain, lies, provocation, undermining and general nastiness. He is a control freak, he cuts of my housekeeping to pay for holidays he wants. He says there is no money for luxuries but buys himself cds and booze and clothes all the time. His family are blind to his faults and I frequently come across nasty little message so where I am described as grumpy and arrogant. He is disningeous and provocative in front of my friends and family. In short he is a total bastard.
It has got so bad now that I am actually prepared to leave with nothing apart from my children in my car. The only asset I have left. He has said he holds all the cards and that he now wants to contact my midwife to tell, her I am unfit. This is because I slapped his face tonight when he accused me of injuring our son.

I just need to get something down as it is let and I don't want him to hear me on the phone to friends or my mother or sister.

I have thought about women's aid but I don't know.
I have left four times and always have to come back for immunisations, antenatal appointments, school terms etc. I feel as though all the pressure is on me. I am brimming out resentment at the uphheaval and turmoil in mine and especially my children's lives and on top of it have to get ready to give birth in three months.

He hasn't been interviewed under caution for assaulting me one night, but acts as though I think never happened and told the police commiserated with him and laughed about my desperate behaviour.
I feel as though he is trying to drive me to suicide or madness.

Just some words of advice or reassurance or comfort would be appreciated.

I feel incredibly stupid, vulnerable and lost right now.

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MrsBertBibby · 12/10/2017 18:07

You can't not comply lollipop. You need your solicitor to get an appeal in, and stay the order pending appeal.

lollipop7 · 12/10/2017 18:15

I know I'm just angry.
He's nownaakk for he can stay nearby tonight then spend tomorrow with them with my mum instead of coming back on a Sunday.
Already dicking about.
I will never prevail. Abusers are too good at what they do.
Everything feels so hopeless

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MrsBertBibby · 12/10/2017 18:16

Just say no.

lollipop7 · 12/10/2017 18:23

At least it would be my mother who I trust. I think it will turn into some sort of arrangement that doesn't involve needing to hire a car and buy decent car seats / fuel i.e. Inflicting himself on my mother and family friends every weekend. Because he has asked for supervised contact every weekend.
I suspect he wants to go out on the piss on Saturday night or something.
I'll be at home tomorrow that's the problem. I could just go out and then it's over with.
I think he'll get sick of driving up to see them anyway at least I hope he will.
He's managed to invade everywhere and ruin the little space of our own that we had.

I am so despondent I don't even know if what I'm writing makes any sense anymore. Just feel lost. Totally lost

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Idontmeanto · 12/10/2017 18:55

huge hugs
What does your solicitor say? Get an appeal in. He might not bother for all he’s putting you through it.

ferrier · 12/10/2017 19:09

You will prevail lollipop. This is a setback but hang on in there and get the appeal in.
Don't forget to keep every scrap of evidence and log verbal conversations if there are any.

ferrier · 12/10/2017 19:12

As long as your mum is OK with it, I would go out and don't come back until he has gone. Totally understand why you don't want him in your space.
Flowers

flutterby12 · 12/10/2017 19:29

Oh @lollipop7 that's really shit. Is it in the agreement for them to come back? What would happen if he didn't comply? Such a twat - he really has a nerve. You will win this battle eventually and he'll trip up somewhere.

RandomMess · 12/10/2017 19:33

Don't let him invade your space. He wants to see the DC tough he'll have to come back Sunday as per the contact order.

Do this by the book so when it goes back to court there is nothing that can be used against you. He will have to sort out his own car seats etc., not your problem. No car seats no DC, call the police if he tries to put them in the car without them!

He'll probably cancel Sunday - too much hassle.

lollipop7 · 12/10/2017 19:33

I'm sacking my solicitor he was all over the place. I gave him an arsenal of weapons and it's as if he couldn't be bothered to even fire them.

He can't even tell me who is an agreed supervisor. Ex says my mum is he said no.

I'm utterly fuming.
And most definitely lodging an appeal tomorrow

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Mustang27 · 12/10/2017 19:52

His mum?

That is not supervised!! What a fecking joke!!! Absolutely say no and don’t let that fucker anywhere near your mum as he will likely try to intimidate her. Give ss a phone asap, I actually have a lot of respect for the police but I concur that they have let you down. I got victim blamed by a couple of young male police one time and I honestly was gutted.

Im so angry for you. I think your miles away for me or I’d offer to help you hide his body.

Frouby · 12/10/2017 20:37

Aww lovely what a bloody farce.

I don't know the legal implications of what has happened and what your options are. You can't do much tonight but coud ypu ring womens aid and aee what they say. And if they can recommend another solicitor.

Take care of yourself and get some reat tonight ready for tomorrow. Xxx

Neverknowing · 12/10/2017 20:49

I just wanted to pop in and say how amazing you are. You're being so much stronger than you even realise. You're a beautiful mother and you and your children don't deserve this.

ferrier · 13/10/2017 00:57

My understanding is that solicitor says ex's mum is supervisor (ludicrous) but ex says op's mum is supervisor. - a much better option despite it presumably having to be on op's territory.

lollipop7 · 13/10/2017 02:06

I am going to have to lodge an appeal tomorrow but the court order only states for the 15th. I have to present evidence to show there should be a fact finding hearing, and I guess then Contact might change. That has to be done for the 18th of October. So more work. I am exhausted don't know how much longer I can go on. Every step is harder.

So as it stands I am effectively asking for a variation on one day of contact. It has to be his mother or his father. They have to be back by 5pm.

My poor mother has been through enough, plus she has filed a witness statement pertaining to one of the assaults on our son. I think it is too much for her and whilst I would worry less I also fear that it would compromise the validity of her statement.
But I am terrified he won't bring them back, remember he has a house full of all their stuff still.

I can't win either way.
I'm beside myself. Haven't eaten all day and sat here sobbing with awful braxton hicks.

My little boy said he won't go out without me or mum. My heart is breaking and I can barely breathe. Perhaps I just hope he doesn't turn up with car seats, changing bag, adequate drinks, etc. He will of course expect muggins to provide them. Fuck right off.

And I have to go back to court on October 20th.

And to add insult to injury my solicitor couldn't even send me a copy of the court order. My ex did.
I'm seriously consider reporting him for negligence.

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ferrier · 13/10/2017 07:09

It certainly doesn't sound right lollipop. Someone has fucked up somewhere.
Can you get in touch with Women's Aid? Get yourself some support to help you deal with this.
And definitely see another solicitor - you can get half an hour free I think.

ferrier · 13/10/2017 07:12

Plus .... try eating very little but often. eg. grapes, half a cracker or biscuit etc. I'm guessing you feel sick with worry but you need to eat for your baby.
Thinking of you FlowersFlowers

Mustang27 · 13/10/2017 07:39

Ferrier baby will take exactly what they need from
Lollipop with or without mum getting sustenance. She needs to eat for herself though but only if she can. I have Hg I struggle to eat throughout pregnancy and it’s so upsetting to hear when you really can’t do it whatever the reason.

Sorry I know you are just trying to be helpful I just wanted to say it can be upsetting especially when you know what you need to do. I promise I’m not trying to be rude just offering another perspective.

Lollipop try really sweet tea if you can stomach it.

It’s an utter disgrace. I wish you had a gf who was in your corner that could fight this for you and do some of the running about whilst your mum looks after your babies. You are all stretched so thin I can only imagine how exhausted you all are. I’m lucky now I have a very loving partner who adores his wee boy and our bump (30 weeks) but if we split tomorrow I’d struggle to accept he could care even for our toddler, place an abusive cretin in his place and it would just not be happening. Abuse is abuse and it’s massively damaging on a wee developing mind you can’t trust he will behave with any family as supervisor it needs to be a unbiased person for everyone’s sake that can put a stop to anything if they feel uncomfortable. Note how he behaves and go from there.

Try and find your anger this morning it will help support you with the calls you need to make I really hope you can at least get a better arrangement for the supervised visits not perfect but better than what’s happening now.

MrsBertBibby · 13/10/2017 08:01

Lollipop I have sent you some info on appeals.

You aren't applying to vary, but asking for a stay of the ordered arrangements, there's a section in the appeal forms to ask for that.

I think your main routes of attack are that in the absence of a s7 report and of you, the judge can't have been able to make the risk assessment and the welfare decisions required by (respectively) the practice direction on DV and the welfare criteria in s1 children act.

He should have granted the adjournment you had sought.

ferrier · 13/10/2017 08:07

You are right Mustang - it isn't baby who needs lollipop to try to eat, it's lollipop.

MrsBertBibby · 13/10/2017 08:10

Oh, and the lack of thought about how supervision works.

If the judge felt supervision was needed he clearly agrees there is an issue, so in that case he should have either A ordered professional supervision at a contact centre or B adjourned until more information was available to enable him to make a proper decision. A 'supervisor' from the alleged abuser's family, unknown to the court and not even present to have their role explained and to give undertakings is as much use as a choccy teapot.

lollipop7 · 13/10/2017 09:00

@MrsBertBibby do you happen to know which form it is?

The court opens at 10am I'm going myself to do it. Solicitor has gone to ground.

He mistook Paternal for Parental on the Court Order and the dope thinks my mother can do his bidding and he can override a Court Order to suit his own ends.

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MrsBertBibby · 13/10/2017 09:13

Have pmed

iknowimcoming · 13/10/2017 09:39

Good luck Lollipop and take care of yourself Flowers

lollipop7 · 13/10/2017 12:09

What a morning.
Gave solicitor roasting about the whole shitstorm and in the middle of things he turned up as per the changed C/ Order that he has "agreed with his Solicitor".
I was trying to argue I don't wanted to stay the order on Sunday: my solicitor said he was of the view that if my Mothher would supervise today then the fact he flounced off and did this without the Court agreeing is evidence of his controlling nature. He also said he'd be a fool not to return them and it would fuck his entire case up.

It has been agreed that my
Mother could to take them out with him today, so off they've gone to a museum. The children seem ok. I spoke with the Police and they've noted the pressure on her to comply aligned with the assault statement so it is clear. This has been recorded on the solicitors records by both parties' sides.

It still feels all wrong to me hit at eight months pregnant and on two hours of sleep, frankly I'm about to keel over. I have to put my unborn baby first too and the truth is I'm so terrified he'll won't bring them back if he goes out with his parents on Sunday I had no fight left in me. My fighting batteries need replenishing.
So four hours out with them and my mum but nothing with his parents on Sunday.The lesser of two evils but I am still in pieces.

It's been the worst 24 hours I can remember in quite some time.

Going to go and lie down in a dark room and eat some chocolate whilst crying.

Thank You everyone so much and an especially big shout to
@MrsBertBibby aka superstar

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