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DS going to live with ExP

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Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 09:36

I have no idea if this is the right place to post or not but it felt appropriate. Apologies if not.

DS1 is my only son with my ex. I have 3 younger DC with DH, who I have been with since DS1 was 1.
DS1 has always been incredibly difficult, since he was about 2. He was diagnosed with ASD (very high functioning) at age 5.
His behaviour has continued to escalate over the years and last year, we decided, as a family, that he might be happier if he lived with his dad. He has always had regular contact with ExP and we have a very amicable relationship. In the end DS begged us not to make him go there and of course we let him stay with us, I'd never force him to be unhappy. We said he'd move to dads for secondary school, but finish out primary here. He wanted to go up then, he likes the look of the secondary near his dad (though he also loves the taster things he's been to at the one hereConfused) He's now end of year 5, so only one year left. He promised he'd stop the violent, nasty behaviour to us and his siblings and for a few months all was fine.

Despite this, this year his behaviour has become out of control. He breaks doors, carpets, furniture etc in rage. He throws stuff around, hits and pushes his younger siblings, screams, shouts and swears at us. He follows people around making irritating, repetitive noises to wind them up. He rages at everyone and refuses to do as we ask (can you put your rubbish in the bin, can you pick stuff up off your bedroom floor, can you get your shoes on please) Basic stuff, he's not Cinderella. He steals - a lot. Toys, food (people's personal special food, tge for a cupboards full he can have but he chooses to take the chocolate coins from a siblings party bag). His triggers are always either: being asked to do something he doesn't want to, or being told he can't have/do what he wants. This is just parenting isn't it? No you can't go out in the pouring rain. No you can't walk to school today, you won't get there in time. Ask earlier tomorrow.

This culminated in an incident at school in which he pushed his younger brother over, who sustained a fair few cuts and bruises. This led to consequences at school and at home (no iPad here, a report card for a week at school). He kicked off, big time, and at one point tried to grab a knife. His father said that enough was enough and he'd take him to live with him, has applied for a new school etc. He lives to far away for shared care and has refused to move back. We still live in our original home area.

DS is distraught. He desperately doesn't want to leave school, he is happy and thriving there and I'm loathe to do it, but he patently isn't happy here either. He's convinced we treat him differently to his siblings, and whilst he's correct that he's told off more often, that's because he behaves this way more often. His siblings get exactly the same parenting if/when they are badly behaved too.

So now I'm stuck in this situation where I feel like I can't help him anymore. We've tried children's services, CAMHS, school (who are great but can't offer much), GP and so on. Nobody wants to help him. He has serious anger management issues. I don't want to lose my son but I feel like I have no choice. I want him, and my other kids, to be happy and feel safe. My DS2 is close in age and really very negatively affected by all this, it's very upsetting. Why has nobody helped us? Why am I being forced into 'sending' my first born away from me? I utterly adore him but his behaviour is destroying the rest of us in our home and family. My husband is at breakdown point as he gets the brunt of it, by virtue of not being biologically his father. No other reason. We've tried everything we can - even my DM had him for a few days and tried to get through to him, he came back and kicked off the day he came home Sad

I just want him to be happy, and everyone else too. He knows I want him here, he knows I love him. I've explained, and he does understand, that it's not him that makes me feel so stressed, it's his behaviour, but he just can't not behave this way. Typically, he doesn't do it for his dad, but as he's only there every other weekend I suspect it's a bit 'Disney dad' and he will if/when he's there more permanently.

How do I fix this? How do I help all my babies? Sad

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Offred · 25/07/2017 10:56

If you call police police have to report to social care, it usually goes to MASH and they usually just decide NFA.

If the police s136 him he will go to hospital, most likely CAMHS will decide he needs social care and you may get respite.

Florene · 25/07/2017 10:57

If the issue with him walking to school is that he will be late, then let him walk. He will learn the consequences of not deciding early enough when school deal with it, rather than you doing so.

Offred · 25/07/2017 10:58

Unfortunately because of cuts IME literally every service will do all they can to just pass it back to the parents as often as they can.

This is why I have instructed a solicitor - because it has ended up being the last resort.

School are now doing an ECHP - but that's because DD has missed an entire year of school now.

donajimena · 25/07/2017 10:58

Have you read the explosive child? My son displayed exactly the same traits as yours in year 5. I told my dad either he goes or I do.
I don't want to give you false hope because every child is different but unbelievably he has been so much better since around 12.5 he's 14 now.
I suspect I've still got my battles to come but I never thought we would get to where we are today. The only things I can think that have helped are him maturing and I have taken away most demands. I dread to think how he will take care of himself as an adult because I let him get away with not cooking (or learning how to ) picking up after himself. Not how I planned raising a son! I feel I'm setting a bad example BUT it works for us for now.
I do insist on hygiene on school days (he could probably do with a shower today but I'll have that battle later) school attendance and a regular bedtime. Other than that I try and avoid demands unless it is absolutely essential.
After doing really badly in school for years 7 & 8 I have also had a fantastic school report in year 9 so I am over the moon. There is hope but accessing support is going to be your biggest battle. I hope you figure things out in the short term. I do know EXACTLY how you feel. I don't have a supportive ex. I actually starting looking at how to put him in care Blush

Florene · 25/07/2017 10:59

For other posters - Police cannot 136 unless in a public place.

Offred · 25/07/2017 11:00

If the issue with him walking to school is that he will be late, then let him walk. He will learn the consequences of not deciding early enough when school deal with it, rather than you doing so.

Nope - not for my DD. If this was my DD she'd blame me for her being late and getting in trouble! She seems to be incapable of understanding cause and effect.

Offred · 25/07/2017 11:01

Yes that's true re s136. My DD is a frequent run away, often tries to kill herself running in front of cars or sitting in the road pulling out her hair.

Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:06

user That's really not fair. I have told him over and over and over that I desperately want him here. I adore him, he knows that. He does understand that it's the behaviour and not him that we struggle with. I appreciate he has a diagnosis but he's not tiny, he is old enough to understand the distinction and he does.

TBH, I often question the diagnosis, it was given very young and doesn't seem to reflect his difficulties now.

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Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:07

Also, user we aren't 'putting up with him as a favour' and haven't told him we're kicking him out at all. He's never been told anything like that, his DAD told him he was taking him.

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JynErso · 25/07/2017 11:08

Cause and effect is a really tricky one. DN masked quite well that he understood it, and realising that despite his great intellect, he didn't, was a bit of a breakthrough moment.

A good psychologist would help you identify flash points and then work or how to change the situation so they less often occur, OP. So taking the travel to school example... set an alarm for the time a decision needs to be made each morning, so he has a reminder to decide on time, might be one solution.

Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:08

I can't get the police to take him to hospital, he is 10. He'd be utterly terrified and it absolutely wouldn't help him.

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Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:10

Yes Offred with blaming me!! He is utterly incapable of taking any responsibility for his actions and choices. There's always somebody else who has 'made' him do it.

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NC4now · 25/07/2017 11:14

If a family member read this they'd think U'd written it. Awful isn't it? My DS is a teenager now and we're still struggling.
Does your DS tell lies too?
He went to live at my mums for a while, which got him into s better school and got us all a break but he misses his friends and wants to be home so he's only there once a week.
The 'let him be late and learn the consequences' doesn't work. He just gets angry at the consequences and then does it all over again.
One to one with no demands though - he's lovely. We had the best time on holiday. As soon as we got home and back to school etc - awful again.
My marriage is in a really bad way as DH had no parental bond and is unable to form one, due to recurring incidents, then I get defensive when DH says unkind things.
I wish I knew what to suggest.
I'm paying £600 in September for an ed psych assessment in Year 11. It seems too little too late but I've been asking for help and going round and round with CAMHS since Year 4.

Offred · 25/07/2017 11:18

I don't have money because I can't work due to DD being off school and no support so unfortunately the going to hospital thing is the only thing we can do. It is what EDT advise, despite it being completely inappropriate and traumatic for everyone.

Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:20

Oh yes, NC the lying is a habit, constantly.

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LesisMiserable · 25/07/2017 11:23

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Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:27

It's not common, 'normal' range of behaviour. It's really not. It's not normal to steal, lie, break doors down, jump out of windows to get out because you've been told to stop punching a sibling. It's not normal to grab a knife because your mother takes your iPad away after you injure your sibling (who did nothing to provoke a reaction).

As for 'receiving DLA for a diagnosis given years ago,' did you think ASD just went away when kids got older? Hmm Whilst I may doubt it sometimes, ASD is a lifelong condition.

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Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:28

He's also not a teenager. He's 10. He's been smashing the house up since he was 7. 7!

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LesisMiserable · 25/07/2017 11:33

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JynErso · 25/07/2017 11:34

Don't know where to start with your disablism, LesisMiserable.
ASD is a lifelong disability, but no-one "writes any one off" as disabled. What a horrible way of putting it.

LesisMiserable · 25/07/2017 11:34

Apologies I thought you'd said he was older. If anything that gives me more hope for him.

Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:36

Ok Les in the nicest possible way, you can't help me here if you believe that.

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burntoutmum · 25/07/2017 11:36

I could have written this thread, except my DS is older (13) and doesn't have ASD

Much the same, he's angry and verbally ( very occasionally physically) aggressive to us. He hates my husband - who has brought him up as his own since he was 2, accuses us of treating his younger brother better as he doesn't get told off as much ( because he behaves, and more importantly, if he misbehaves he takes his punishment and doesn't then get more angry). DS1 just can't see it.

I've considered talking to school, but I know he is impeccably behaved there so they'll Hmm at me I'm sure. I've had people say it's a teenage thing, which is impossible as he's been like it for several years.

He's academic and gifted in Maths, very clever boy. A wonderful friend.

I've contemplated asking his Dad to take him, but that breaks my heart. He's a beautiful boy, but his temper scares me.

I have no advice, sorry, but wanted you to know you're not alone x

LesisMiserable · 25/07/2017 11:38

Disablism? Nope. Not biting.

Namechangeynamechange · 25/07/2017 11:47

That is exactly it burntout his brother just accepts a consequence to his (rare) bad behaviour and cracks on. Doesn't like it, sulks, but gets over it. DS1 goes postal.

I just want him to stop. Just stop behaving like this. Please. Sad

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