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Do I need to stop being jealous or have I got reason to be?

95 replies

Mummyofthree1970 · 24/07/2017 14:35

Basically things between me and HB have always been amazing. We have been together for 19 years, we have three amazing children who are brilliant, and in all that time, the only blips we ever had were caused by his insecurities, these moments were pretty frequent, but normally short lived and we got through them.

Apart from that we were pretty much the perfect couple, very loved up, great sex, best friends etc. Busy planning our 20th wedding anniversary next year, all good. However, in the last couple of months I had noticed that he was withdrawing from me, becoming very distant. So many little things that were just so out of character. He was off sex, he always used to cuddle me every morning after his alarm went off, but that stopped, he didn’t want to engage in conversation as much and plans for things to do together were put off or cancelled. To begin with I put this down to his obsession with a sports club that he has been doing for the past few years. He is addicted to it and it has been amazing for him. It takes up a lot of his time, but I have never complained or minded due to that fact that mentally and physically it has been brilliant for him. But in this last month, it had taken on a whole new level of addiction. Not just the classes, but they are doing some work on the building and so he had been spending a lot of time up there doing that, spending our money on it and helping out. Again, I didn’t mind any of this, thought it was really good for him. However, the level of withdrawal intensified, in the last fortnight I noticed that he was glued to his phone, wouldn’t put it down for a second. When he charged it he placed it face down so the screen wasn’t showing, he was coming to bed later and getting up earlier and spending all evening texting. We have never had secrets, to the extent that we only have one bank account and all our passwords for email and social media accounts etc. are the same! We even open each others post as a matter of course, so the fact that he was hiding ‘something’ was really worrying me. So, last Thursday night I read his messages. It turns out that he has been having a ‘thing’ with a girl from the sports club (B). They started off really innocently, but then started to get more intense, all coinciding with his withdrawal from me! The messages were mainly chatty, but some were flirty, him telling her he loved her smile, her eyes etc. His saying that he loved it when he heard the ping of a message from her. He told her that he would be able to talk to her from the poolside on our family holiday all day. Him telling her that she made him happy, made him laugh, lots of little things and comments. Sending selfies to each other and making lovely comments about them etc. The messages were in the hundreds and had been going on all day and evening for quite a while, intensifying in the last week before I read them. One saying he was ‘ going to get caught as he was smirking’. Having read them all, the overriding impression was that he had got feelings for her, at the very least a substantial ‘crush’. I felt sick, scared and very shaky. So, on Friday morning I asked to speak to him and told him that I was worried, said I had felt he was withdrawing from me, being distant and ‘off’. I didn’t tell him I had read the messages, he said I was an idiot, nothing was wrong and that I was stressed and needed a holiday. I asked who he was messaging and he said it was just the sports committee. I asked if he was sure there was nothing he wanted to tell me, he said there wasn’t. I went upstairs to wash my face, came back down and laughingly asked to see the messages from the committee to make me feel better, he had deleted all the messages from B and of course there weren’t any from the committee. I had to go out later, so I sent a message, confessing to reading the messages and saying I was terrified. He replied with real anger, saying that I shouldn’t have read the messages. He said that she was younger than him and that nothing would have happened. Said that the messages made him happy and her happy and that he wasn’t going to stop. Could not understand why I was upset. Said 'was it so wrong to have a crush on someone and send them messages if you knew it wasn’t going to go anywhere’. Admitted that he thought she was gorgeous and made him laugh. Asked if I wanted to lock him in a box and not talk to anyone ever again. Said that if I wanted him to stop going to the sports club that would send him over the edge and he would never forgive me. He admitted that some of the messages were flirty, but didn’t think it was wrong to have a flirty conversation with a friend. He says he’s not going to stop the messages, although I think they have eased off a bit. There were a lot on Saturday, but he showed me to prove they were innocent chat, they were, but still more than you would send that sort of friend. He will still be seeing her several times a week for sport where he will be her partner more often than not. He said that if she asked him to help her with her sport at lunchtimes, he would go, again couldn’t see why I wouldn’t like that as they would be alone in the building. He has shown no remorse, no guilt whatsoever and no understanding of my feelings. He suggested that if he stopped the messages, he would be going back to the 'lonely miserable self' he was before they started. Knowing that he was actually pretty happy before makes this slightly bizarre behaviour! He hasn’t made any attempt at all to make me feel better. Just keeps repeating that nothing would ever happen so its all OK. Not that he wouldn’t want anything to happen, just that it wouldn’t! The only thing he is sorry about is being caught out and has said that he wishes things could go back to where they were last week before I had read them so he could carry on. Knowing his history with insecurity and jealousy, I thought he might possibly be a little bit more understanding of how I felt, I asked how he would feel if the situation was reversed and he admitted he wouldn’t be happy, but he still doesn’t seem to be sorry at all. He’s actually really cross with me, thinks I need to ‘get over it now’. Despite lying, hiding things from me, admitting to having feelings for another women who he’s sent hundreds of messages to, withdrawing, he’s still not sorry! The fact that he deleted the messages shows that he knew there was something worth hiding, that at the very least is not great.

It feels as though he is fighting to protect his relationship with B and the sports club and not with me! I would never stop him doing his sport, even after this, I know how much it means to him. But, I have to find a way to move forward. I really do love him, our life and our family and I want to fight to make sure that we can get through this and be happy. I suggested we both had counselling, he said that I was the one with the problem and not him, so I should go. I will go and I guess I’m hoping that after seeing someone, they will either tell me that I am in his words ‘mental’ in which case I will be able to get some help deal, or they will suggest that he sees someone, which I think if suggested by a professional (the one he's seen before) he would. In some ways, if he has got feelings for her that are stronger than his love for me, then I need to know, the last thing I want is to be second best. I can’t quite believe he would throw his family and our pretty perfect life away for her and I honestly don’t think he had thought that far ahead, he was just enjoying the thrill of a new encounter and like a child with a new toy, is obsessed and doesn’t want it taken away from him, but crushes and love are funny things and he needs to work through those feelings in a rational and non-biased way, whatever the outcome.

So, do I need to get over myself and stop being jealous of this 'friend' ?Do I need to 'let it go now' ? What else can I do? I should add that I haven't eaten or slept since last Thursday and am feeling pretty rubbish!

Thanks all,
MofT

OP posts:
Peanutbutterrules · 25/07/2017 10:19

Crumbs op...'ease off'?

Cut off is the only option. He's hurt you deeply and doesn't seem to care.

yetmorecrap · 25/07/2017 10:20

I have same situation OP regarding business etc, see my previous post on your thread, I ended up putting up with it and presumed it all stopped when she went abroad, it didn't he just stopped texting and used FB messenger . I also got the 'lack of friends' thing. Take decisive action now and you may save it, if you want to

Ineedmorelemonpledge · 25/07/2017 10:40

He told me that he would stop messaging her, but he would go back to being sad and lonely as she's one of the only friends he's got.

He will be even more sad and lonely sat in a bachelor flat, waiting to see his DC 4 days a month.

Gaslighting idiot.

lifeinthecountry · 25/07/2017 10:45

OP, I think before going any further you need to accept that what you thought you had with your DH is gone. Even if your relationship survives, it will never be the same. I appreciate that's easy to say and very difficult to do.

If you don't feel angry, that's fine. I don't think you need to be raging. But you do need to find some way of changing the dynamic between you and DH - I think that's important whether you continue as a couple or eventually break up. While he sees you as vulnerable and 'terrified', desperate to cling on to your relationship, he's going to keep walking all over you. (I'm not saying that's the case, just that it seems to be how he sees things, that he holds all the cards, basically. He's not taking your feelings seriously at all.)

Remind yourself (often if needed) that he is no longer someone you can trust to have your back.

Begin looking at the business and start planning ahead, should the worst happen. Is it truly 50-50 or is it more one person's thing than another? What I mean is, usually with couples, one person is really essential to the business and one isn't. I went through this with exh - in my case, the business was mostly me, exh hated working in it, so 3 years before we actually split, I began a new business and slowly closed down the original one (with his full agreement, the idea was he'd get a job he would enjoy instead). If the business is mainly your husband's thing, then I agree with PP, it would make sense to start looking for a job outside of that, so you don't feel so trapped. If it's 50-50, would it divide into two in some way?

timis · 25/07/2017 11:01

OP doesn't need raging anger, but the cold, purposeful variety would be so useful in this scenario.

thethoughtfox · 25/07/2017 11:10

Another voice saying this is an emotional affair. Him saying he wouldn't stop because it made him and her happy? Putting another woman's happiness above yours? You relationship may be over. This would have / will turn into a physical relationship as soon as she wants to.

thethoughtfox · 25/07/2017 11:10

Repeat: this is not a crush and this is not a friend

BraveBear · 25/07/2017 11:42

You are also a human being who doesn't deserve to be upset and sad. Does he care about that? The only difference is that he is actively behaving in a way to cause that for you. He wasn't "sad and lonely", not if things were the way you describe. If anything he was just lacking excitement and novelty.

The next time he tries to emotionally manipulate you by saying that the loss of this friendship would send him back to being lonely and sad - ask what about his life has made him lonely and sad. It's all bollocks. He's rewriting history to make it so that he has every right to pursue this woman.

Aperolspritzer123 · 25/07/2017 11:50

Ease off!!!! God, I have heard some cheeky fuckers in my time he actually take the biscuit. Next thing you know he'll be making you feel guilty when you object to them having sex.
I think the worst part about this is the complete mind fuckery of it. You're not allowed to be angry, he's gaslighting you and you're questioning yourself into allowing them to just continue!!! He's not even sorry!
Get rid. There is always a way

garmsfresh · 25/07/2017 13:10

He has zero respect for you or love by the sounds of it . What an A hole , and the fact he's still carrying on I would of flushed his phone down the loo.

supersop60 · 25/07/2017 14:17

My DP had an emotional affair. When I first confronted him about the emails and the 'mentionitis', he said he'd back off.
He didn't. He just went more underground.
Luckily for me, (!) I knew hsi password for his phone account and went into his itemised bills - loads of texts and calls to her mobile and landline number.
Ease off - my arse.
He needs an BIG shock!

Alfiemoon1 · 25/07/2017 15:56

I doubt he will ease off my dh said he would but didn't he just went from text that I could see on the phone bill to WhatsApp which doesn't show up on the bill. Good luck with the counselling

ATurnipOfMyOwn · 25/07/2017 19:19

My DP had an EA 2 years ago with a 'friend' of ours.

I found out, he minimised it and deleted all of the messages, keeps his phone on him at all times and now refuses to discuss it further because "FGS nothing happened".
I know he still sees her socially sometimes.

I don't trust him an inch. Nor do I particularly like or respect him.
Don't be me.

helenfagain · 25/07/2017 19:23

If he thought his behaviour was ok why did he delete the messages. He is an arse!

Alfiemoon1 · 25/07/2017 20:36

oh yes turnip the nothing happened I almost wish my dh had slept with her than it definitely would of been game over. Op at least he is prepared to show you the texts but It shouldn't be another woman making your dh happy.

Chocolatefudgecake100 · 25/07/2017 21:37

Ur not mental your too soft this guy gives 0 shits about you and is so nasty its unreal you deserve way more

Alfiemoon1 · 25/07/2017 23:11

I was where u are now a year ago how much is to much contact? I allowed them to remain in contact as it was all so innocent but it ate away at me I no longer trusted him so started to snoop found out about his porn use a message from another woman that was asking him out on a date. It never happened but he hadn't told me. He then constantly changed his phone passcode. She decided to cut contact in a text he deleted it took divorce threats to get him to remove her off Facebook. I took it as a warning his head could be turned we have both made an effort and have been happy except I saw a deleted WhatsApp message 3 months he said he deleted as he knows he not aloud and it was about the horse I told him if it's so innocent don't delete it found another deleted message 2 weeks ago and he's back to the stance I can't tell him who he is friends with he doesn't tell me who I can text
We have gone full circle either set firm boundaries leave or expect a roller coaster ride

Haffiana · 25/07/2017 23:15

OP you are doing the 'pick me' dance. Google it. Then get really, really angry instead.

PsychedelicSheep · 25/07/2017 23:35

Good grief! The cheek of this twat!

He must think you're a fucking idiot quite frankly. OP, get tough! He is behaving outrageously! Either stamp it out now and endure the sulking til he gets over it (I wouldn't recommend this) or tell him he can text her all he likes but not while living with you and sling the fucker out.

SuperSkyRocketing · 26/07/2017 07:02

You need to get angry OP. Seriously. He's taking you for a right mug. Get angry about his total lack of respect for you. I'd be kicking him out. I wouldn't be able to stand living in the same house as such a twat. Wipe that smirk off his face. Stop allowing him to walk all over you. His feelings are not more important than yours.

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