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Do I need to stop being jealous or have I got reason to be?

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Mummyofthree1970 · 24/07/2017 14:35

Basically things between me and HB have always been amazing. We have been together for 19 years, we have three amazing children who are brilliant, and in all that time, the only blips we ever had were caused by his insecurities, these moments were pretty frequent, but normally short lived and we got through them.

Apart from that we were pretty much the perfect couple, very loved up, great sex, best friends etc. Busy planning our 20th wedding anniversary next year, all good. However, in the last couple of months I had noticed that he was withdrawing from me, becoming very distant. So many little things that were just so out of character. He was off sex, he always used to cuddle me every morning after his alarm went off, but that stopped, he didn’t want to engage in conversation as much and plans for things to do together were put off or cancelled. To begin with I put this down to his obsession with a sports club that he has been doing for the past few years. He is addicted to it and it has been amazing for him. It takes up a lot of his time, but I have never complained or minded due to that fact that mentally and physically it has been brilliant for him. But in this last month, it had taken on a whole new level of addiction. Not just the classes, but they are doing some work on the building and so he had been spending a lot of time up there doing that, spending our money on it and helping out. Again, I didn’t mind any of this, thought it was really good for him. However, the level of withdrawal intensified, in the last fortnight I noticed that he was glued to his phone, wouldn’t put it down for a second. When he charged it he placed it face down so the screen wasn’t showing, he was coming to bed later and getting up earlier and spending all evening texting. We have never had secrets, to the extent that we only have one bank account and all our passwords for email and social media accounts etc. are the same! We even open each others post as a matter of course, so the fact that he was hiding ‘something’ was really worrying me. So, last Thursday night I read his messages. It turns out that he has been having a ‘thing’ with a girl from the sports club (B). They started off really innocently, but then started to get more intense, all coinciding with his withdrawal from me! The messages were mainly chatty, but some were flirty, him telling her he loved her smile, her eyes etc. His saying that he loved it when he heard the ping of a message from her. He told her that he would be able to talk to her from the poolside on our family holiday all day. Him telling her that she made him happy, made him laugh, lots of little things and comments. Sending selfies to each other and making lovely comments about them etc. The messages were in the hundreds and had been going on all day and evening for quite a while, intensifying in the last week before I read them. One saying he was ‘ going to get caught as he was smirking’. Having read them all, the overriding impression was that he had got feelings for her, at the very least a substantial ‘crush’. I felt sick, scared and very shaky. So, on Friday morning I asked to speak to him and told him that I was worried, said I had felt he was withdrawing from me, being distant and ‘off’. I didn’t tell him I had read the messages, he said I was an idiot, nothing was wrong and that I was stressed and needed a holiday. I asked who he was messaging and he said it was just the sports committee. I asked if he was sure there was nothing he wanted to tell me, he said there wasn’t. I went upstairs to wash my face, came back down and laughingly asked to see the messages from the committee to make me feel better, he had deleted all the messages from B and of course there weren’t any from the committee. I had to go out later, so I sent a message, confessing to reading the messages and saying I was terrified. He replied with real anger, saying that I shouldn’t have read the messages. He said that she was younger than him and that nothing would have happened. Said that the messages made him happy and her happy and that he wasn’t going to stop. Could not understand why I was upset. Said 'was it so wrong to have a crush on someone and send them messages if you knew it wasn’t going to go anywhere’. Admitted that he thought she was gorgeous and made him laugh. Asked if I wanted to lock him in a box and not talk to anyone ever again. Said that if I wanted him to stop going to the sports club that would send him over the edge and he would never forgive me. He admitted that some of the messages were flirty, but didn’t think it was wrong to have a flirty conversation with a friend. He says he’s not going to stop the messages, although I think they have eased off a bit. There were a lot on Saturday, but he showed me to prove they were innocent chat, they were, but still more than you would send that sort of friend. He will still be seeing her several times a week for sport where he will be her partner more often than not. He said that if she asked him to help her with her sport at lunchtimes, he would go, again couldn’t see why I wouldn’t like that as they would be alone in the building. He has shown no remorse, no guilt whatsoever and no understanding of my feelings. He suggested that if he stopped the messages, he would be going back to the 'lonely miserable self' he was before they started. Knowing that he was actually pretty happy before makes this slightly bizarre behaviour! He hasn’t made any attempt at all to make me feel better. Just keeps repeating that nothing would ever happen so its all OK. Not that he wouldn’t want anything to happen, just that it wouldn’t! The only thing he is sorry about is being caught out and has said that he wishes things could go back to where they were last week before I had read them so he could carry on. Knowing his history with insecurity and jealousy, I thought he might possibly be a little bit more understanding of how I felt, I asked how he would feel if the situation was reversed and he admitted he wouldn’t be happy, but he still doesn’t seem to be sorry at all. He’s actually really cross with me, thinks I need to ‘get over it now’. Despite lying, hiding things from me, admitting to having feelings for another women who he’s sent hundreds of messages to, withdrawing, he’s still not sorry! The fact that he deleted the messages shows that he knew there was something worth hiding, that at the very least is not great.

It feels as though he is fighting to protect his relationship with B and the sports club and not with me! I would never stop him doing his sport, even after this, I know how much it means to him. But, I have to find a way to move forward. I really do love him, our life and our family and I want to fight to make sure that we can get through this and be happy. I suggested we both had counselling, he said that I was the one with the problem and not him, so I should go. I will go and I guess I’m hoping that after seeing someone, they will either tell me that I am in his words ‘mental’ in which case I will be able to get some help deal, or they will suggest that he sees someone, which I think if suggested by a professional (the one he's seen before) he would. In some ways, if he has got feelings for her that are stronger than his love for me, then I need to know, the last thing I want is to be second best. I can’t quite believe he would throw his family and our pretty perfect life away for her and I honestly don’t think he had thought that far ahead, he was just enjoying the thrill of a new encounter and like a child with a new toy, is obsessed and doesn’t want it taken away from him, but crushes and love are funny things and he needs to work through those feelings in a rational and non-biased way, whatever the outcome.

So, do I need to get over myself and stop being jealous of this 'friend' ?Do I need to 'let it go now' ? What else can I do? I should add that I haven't eaten or slept since last Thursday and am feeling pretty rubbish!

Thanks all,
MofT

OP posts:
Gingerandgivingzerofucks · 24/07/2017 20:46

Eplease don't do the pick me dance. He's lying to you and has been for months. It's unbelievable that he would refuse to stop the messaging. What a twat. Don't let him take the piss out of you, he has ruined his own happiness and yours. Selfish wanker.

PearlyPinkNails · 24/07/2017 20:58

You're not being mental at all. He's an absolutely typical old fool who thinks he deserves to get his ego stroked.

Leave him, he's embarrassing you both Wine

2littlemoos · 24/07/2017 21:46

This is not on at all OP!

This is not your fight. Look after yourself and get the hell away from this marriage.

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Grooves · 24/07/2017 22:01

Nope, you're not mental and he shouldn't be making you feel that way.

19years is a very long time to just throw it away, have you thought about counselling? I don't believe you need it, but as he doesn't see he's done anything wrong, I feel as a couple, you do!

Grooves · 24/07/2017 22:11

That being if you want to save the marriage or believe you can make him see what he's doing wrong, if not. Pack his shit and throw him out.

JenTeale · 24/07/2017 22:54

He's fucking her. Or soon will be. Sorry.

supersop60 · 24/07/2017 23:01

There is a forum about mid-life crisis. The hero's spouse. Worth a look.
Do not take josuk's advice. It's playing games, when really your DH needs a shock.
Choices and actions have consequences. His poor choices could lead to him losing you.
Get angry. How DARE he. Boundaries overstepped.

Alfiemoon1 · 24/07/2017 23:33

Op I could have almost written your post dd gets a gift of a horse from my sister dh gets very involved in stable life forms a so called just friendship with a woman at the stables texts back and forth I get naffed off it's to much he leaves supposedly because of rows he comes back ow decides to cut contact as dd being affected we try and rebuild our 17 year marriage. He never accepted any blame it was just a friendship doesn't get how deleting the messages makes me not trust him. Fast forward a bit he's showing me a video on his phone I see her on his WhatsApp not as a contact and the message deleted he bull shits that he thought he deleted her as he's not allowed her on his phone we carry on. I randomly look at his phone 2 weeks ago she's there as a contact and the message deleted all apparently about horses so why only delete her messages nobody else's ? Thus time we are back to the I don't tell u who u can talk to malarkey please don't make the mistakes I have or u will be on an emotional roller coaster and it's horrendous. I am sitting tight as we have a family holiday in 2 weeks and I don't want to disappoint dc but after that we are done. Sad thing is this last years things have been great i saw it as a warning his head could be turned dc now teens we've had date nights etc but yet he still won't give her up or be honest about their friendship. Don't be me I should of got out when it was all fresh and the anger was there. Hugs op x

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 25/07/2017 00:23

He's a twat. He's basically saying you don't make him happy and he doesn't want to hear how you feel.

He's just in the relationship for convenience, nothing else.

At least you know now it's OK to talk with your male friends like yhst.

Honestly, I'd just leave him before he leaves you. But if not flirt away with Jack from HR - it's no big deal if it makes you happy Smile

Tatiannatomasina · 25/07/2017 05:10

She is not just a friend. You need to make some pretty tough decisions and i would do it quickly. Do you have a rl friend you can talk to who is level headed and able to be a good sounding board for you. You really need to take charge of this situation now otherwise it will quickly develop a life of its own, a life you will not want. My advice is file for divorce for his unreasonable behaviour. Its pretty decisive and leaves him in no doubt how strongly you feel. His attitude stinks, a shock will either adjust it or make him 10 times worse. Either way start being very very selfish and save yourself. He can sink or swim if he chooses.

Collidascope · 25/07/2017 07:20

Are you still reading, OP? I hope so because your husband is very obviously gaslighting you and I think that even though it must be unpleasant you need to hear others' views on this. The fact that you are entertaining the idea that you're overreacting and being mental shows what a good job he's done on you.

His behaviour has been horrendous. He's been unfaithful, lied to you, admitted he'd be angry if you acted in this way, but still told you he won't stop being unfaithful and that you just need to accept it. He won't even go to counselling. You must be in bits. You've had the awful shock of finding out that he has been cheating, and he's now trying to take away your ability to even trust your own instincts.

You need to get him out of the house for a few days at least. While he's there, you can't figure things out for yourself because he's determined not to let you.
He also needs a good reminder of what he has to lose by acting this way. At the moment, he's lost nothing. You're telling him you're terrified of losing him and trying to find ways to fix things. Just no!
He has cheated! He needs to be the one to beg forgiveness, to do everything he can to build up trust, to arrange counselling. He isn't doing that. He must feel like quite the man if he genuinely thinks he can string along his little wife while still enjoying his emotional affair.
I honestly think if you look back at.your relationship, you'll find other symptoms of his attitude toward you. I imagine there have been a lot of times when things have only gone smoothly because you have bent over backwards to accommodate him -his attendance at this sport club rather than being with his family being just one.
Also don't imagine that by keeping the marriage together at all costs, you're protecting your children. They will be absorbing all this and learning what is and isn't acceptable. You have an opportunity now to teach them healthy boundaries. Please don't put up with this horrible, arrogant, selfish behavior.

donajimena · 25/07/2017 07:33

Alfie I think I remember your original thread. I hope that after your holiday, you can rebuild your life.
OP what everyone else said. Kick him to the kerb.

YoureNotASausage · 25/07/2017 07:49

I'm so so sorry but there's not much for it but to kick him out.

user1497557435 · 25/07/2017 07:54

If he hasnt 'done' it yet he soon will. You Could mess with his head and give him a free pass - along with a list of all his bedtime failings - with any luck it'd turn the clandestine thrill off & make him so worried about his performance he couldn't get it up.

Unless of course he is a total god in bed - which I doubt.

Lillygolightly · 25/07/2017 08:42

His sexual relationship with you stopped when he started one with her, believe me I'm sorry to say it. Even if full sex hasn't happened YET enough of something has to make him halt any relations with you, and he's not stopped because of guilt towards you....he's stopped because he doesn't want to be or feel unfaithful to her.

It was probably one thing when he was just pulling his plonker and fantasising about her in his head (which he's probably been doing for ages) but it has become quite another now that the prospect of sleeping with her has become reality.

I know all those things are extremely hurtful to hear and for that I am truly sorry ☹️ What you have described of him is an emotional affair that obviously runs so deep he feel no shame or remorse and refuses to give it up. All that will happen if you continue to believe his crap is he will continue to persue her, try to win her, fall in love/lust while you sit on the sidelines with your kids hoping he wakes up and sees sense and it will destroy you and you don't deserve a single second of it.

Give the fucker a reality check, tell him cheating emotional/physical or otherwise doesn't fly with you and boot him out on his arse!!

I bet she doesn't find him nearly so appealing when he is mooning over the loss of him home, his kids, his family not to mention the fact everybody will think he is an utter arse. Funny how things lose the romance factor when everyone knows he's the lying cheating bastard and she's the scarlet woman!

Mummyofthree1970 · 25/07/2017 09:07

Thank you all, you lot are brutal! Kicking him out is not that simple. We run a business together from our house! We had another massive row last night. He'd been texting her all morning, tbh all pretty boring chatty stuff, he showed me. He told me that he would stop messaging her, but he would go back to being sad and lonely as she's one of the only friends he's got. He managed to make me feel really stupid, jealous and ridiculous so I told him he could carry on as long as he eased off. Just reading that back makes me realise what a doormat I am. I think I feel that if I make him stop, he will resent me for it and then it's game over anyway. I've arranged a counsellor for me on Friday. Will see how things go from there. Meanwhile I've lost 6lbs through not eating, which is actually great news for bikini on holiday. Got to look on the bright side Hmm

OP posts:
Nousernameforme · 25/07/2017 09:25

Why are his feelings getting priority here? You will be miserable and resent him if he carries on and he doesn't seem to even think about that.
He needs to get his own way or he will be miserable and resent you and neither of you are going to let that happen it seems.

I think I would say if he is so unhappy and unfulfilled in the life you have together, without this person, and of course you want him to be happy (fuck knows why at this point), why doesn't he go to her and be happy.
I can't see any way back from this and I would start to disengage at this point and look to unravelling the finances if possible.

DO NOT SHAG HIM! he will try and use sex to reassure you and keep you compliant don't fall for it

RhubardGin · 25/07/2017 09:28

Your husband is a pathetic arsehole and is completely gaslighting you.

I have zero tolerance for this and if I were you I would be phoning a solicitor, not a counsellor.

This woman is a higher priority to him that you and his family. It's an emotional affair and if he had his way I would guess a physical one too.

Sorry OP but you need to find some inner strength and deal with this head on.

Motoko · 25/07/2017 09:42

But it's ok for you to feel sad, miserable and resentful?

YOU are the wronged party here! He should be doing everything in his power to try to gain your forgiveness. Instead, he wants his cake and eat it. He wants you paying the good wife at home, keeping the household running smoothly, keeping the business from folding, doing his washing, making his dinner, being the solid base from which he can happily carry on with another woman.

You should start looking for a new job. Once you've got a new job, you won't feel so trapped because you won't be relying on the business for your income.

Tell your friends and family what's going on. You need support

And then kick him out. Your marriage is fucked, there's no going back.

Flowers
Grooves · 25/07/2017 09:45

He's being manipulative. "I'll be sad and lonely if I stop texting" he has a wife. No other women should make him happy, that's what you're there for!

You should mention marriage vows. They obviously don't mean much to him.

You need to get ahead of the game, you've got to be strong! No don't be telling him to ease off with texting, fuck that! If my partner was texting, there'd be no "ok, you just don't text as much" there'd be an uproar. He's disrespecting you and you don't deserve it. You're his wife and your happiness should come before anything.

Naicehamshop · 25/07/2017 09:48

Completely agree with Nousername - why do his feelings take priority here? Confused

Don't let him persuade you that you are being unreasonable - NO woman (or man) with an ounce of self respect would accept being treated the way he is treating you. Tell him that.

When he says he will have to go back to being "sad and lonely" ask him why you, his lovely dc and your family life together are not enough for him, and if that's really the case maybe it would be better for him to move out for a while and give everyone a bit of thinking time.

Don't, whatever you do, hang about panicking and enabling his selfish and childish behaviour.

RhubardGin · 25/07/2017 09:51

I wouldn't be surprised if he's acting this way because he WANTS you to kick him out.

Then he can scamper off to his other woman with a sob story and you're the bad guy and he's in the clear.

troodiedoo · 25/07/2017 10:05

I'm a sports coach. Clubs are rife with this sort of thing, the mix of close contact, physical exertion and endorphins is a deadly mix. They are heading for sex, even if he is in denial about that.

He's being a massive tool here. But you can't change his behaviour. I'd focus on your own well being and think ahead for your future.

timis · 25/07/2017 10:07

This is ludicrous, you've asked him to ease off? and he tells you he would be miserable and lonely without her. WTF!!!!

Get angry OP, please get angry, I'm angrier than you and I don't even know him.