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Do I need to stop being jealous or have I got reason to be?

95 replies

Mummyofthree1970 · 24/07/2017 14:35

Basically things between me and HB have always been amazing. We have been together for 19 years, we have three amazing children who are brilliant, and in all that time, the only blips we ever had were caused by his insecurities, these moments were pretty frequent, but normally short lived and we got through them.

Apart from that we were pretty much the perfect couple, very loved up, great sex, best friends etc. Busy planning our 20th wedding anniversary next year, all good. However, in the last couple of months I had noticed that he was withdrawing from me, becoming very distant. So many little things that were just so out of character. He was off sex, he always used to cuddle me every morning after his alarm went off, but that stopped, he didn’t want to engage in conversation as much and plans for things to do together were put off or cancelled. To begin with I put this down to his obsession with a sports club that he has been doing for the past few years. He is addicted to it and it has been amazing for him. It takes up a lot of his time, but I have never complained or minded due to that fact that mentally and physically it has been brilliant for him. But in this last month, it had taken on a whole new level of addiction. Not just the classes, but they are doing some work on the building and so he had been spending a lot of time up there doing that, spending our money on it and helping out. Again, I didn’t mind any of this, thought it was really good for him. However, the level of withdrawal intensified, in the last fortnight I noticed that he was glued to his phone, wouldn’t put it down for a second. When he charged it he placed it face down so the screen wasn’t showing, he was coming to bed later and getting up earlier and spending all evening texting. We have never had secrets, to the extent that we only have one bank account and all our passwords for email and social media accounts etc. are the same! We even open each others post as a matter of course, so the fact that he was hiding ‘something’ was really worrying me. So, last Thursday night I read his messages. It turns out that he has been having a ‘thing’ with a girl from the sports club (B). They started off really innocently, but then started to get more intense, all coinciding with his withdrawal from me! The messages were mainly chatty, but some were flirty, him telling her he loved her smile, her eyes etc. His saying that he loved it when he heard the ping of a message from her. He told her that he would be able to talk to her from the poolside on our family holiday all day. Him telling her that she made him happy, made him laugh, lots of little things and comments. Sending selfies to each other and making lovely comments about them etc. The messages were in the hundreds and had been going on all day and evening for quite a while, intensifying in the last week before I read them. One saying he was ‘ going to get caught as he was smirking’. Having read them all, the overriding impression was that he had got feelings for her, at the very least a substantial ‘crush’. I felt sick, scared and very shaky. So, on Friday morning I asked to speak to him and told him that I was worried, said I had felt he was withdrawing from me, being distant and ‘off’. I didn’t tell him I had read the messages, he said I was an idiot, nothing was wrong and that I was stressed and needed a holiday. I asked who he was messaging and he said it was just the sports committee. I asked if he was sure there was nothing he wanted to tell me, he said there wasn’t. I went upstairs to wash my face, came back down and laughingly asked to see the messages from the committee to make me feel better, he had deleted all the messages from B and of course there weren’t any from the committee. I had to go out later, so I sent a message, confessing to reading the messages and saying I was terrified. He replied with real anger, saying that I shouldn’t have read the messages. He said that she was younger than him and that nothing would have happened. Said that the messages made him happy and her happy and that he wasn’t going to stop. Could not understand why I was upset. Said 'was it so wrong to have a crush on someone and send them messages if you knew it wasn’t going to go anywhere’. Admitted that he thought she was gorgeous and made him laugh. Asked if I wanted to lock him in a box and not talk to anyone ever again. Said that if I wanted him to stop going to the sports club that would send him over the edge and he would never forgive me. He admitted that some of the messages were flirty, but didn’t think it was wrong to have a flirty conversation with a friend. He says he’s not going to stop the messages, although I think they have eased off a bit. There were a lot on Saturday, but he showed me to prove they were innocent chat, they were, but still more than you would send that sort of friend. He will still be seeing her several times a week for sport where he will be her partner more often than not. He said that if she asked him to help her with her sport at lunchtimes, he would go, again couldn’t see why I wouldn’t like that as they would be alone in the building. He has shown no remorse, no guilt whatsoever and no understanding of my feelings. He suggested that if he stopped the messages, he would be going back to the 'lonely miserable self' he was before they started. Knowing that he was actually pretty happy before makes this slightly bizarre behaviour! He hasn’t made any attempt at all to make me feel better. Just keeps repeating that nothing would ever happen so its all OK. Not that he wouldn’t want anything to happen, just that it wouldn’t! The only thing he is sorry about is being caught out and has said that he wishes things could go back to where they were last week before I had read them so he could carry on. Knowing his history with insecurity and jealousy, I thought he might possibly be a little bit more understanding of how I felt, I asked how he would feel if the situation was reversed and he admitted he wouldn’t be happy, but he still doesn’t seem to be sorry at all. He’s actually really cross with me, thinks I need to ‘get over it now’. Despite lying, hiding things from me, admitting to having feelings for another women who he’s sent hundreds of messages to, withdrawing, he’s still not sorry! The fact that he deleted the messages shows that he knew there was something worth hiding, that at the very least is not great.

It feels as though he is fighting to protect his relationship with B and the sports club and not with me! I would never stop him doing his sport, even after this, I know how much it means to him. But, I have to find a way to move forward. I really do love him, our life and our family and I want to fight to make sure that we can get through this and be happy. I suggested we both had counselling, he said that I was the one with the problem and not him, so I should go. I will go and I guess I’m hoping that after seeing someone, they will either tell me that I am in his words ‘mental’ in which case I will be able to get some help deal, or they will suggest that he sees someone, which I think if suggested by a professional (the one he's seen before) he would. In some ways, if he has got feelings for her that are stronger than his love for me, then I need to know, the last thing I want is to be second best. I can’t quite believe he would throw his family and our pretty perfect life away for her and I honestly don’t think he had thought that far ahead, he was just enjoying the thrill of a new encounter and like a child with a new toy, is obsessed and doesn’t want it taken away from him, but crushes and love are funny things and he needs to work through those feelings in a rational and non-biased way, whatever the outcome.

So, do I need to get over myself and stop being jealous of this 'friend' ?Do I need to 'let it go now' ? What else can I do? I should add that I haven't eaten or slept since last Thursday and am feeling pretty rubbish!

Thanks all,
MofT

OP posts:
Piratesandpants · 24/07/2017 18:09

Bloody hell. His behaviour is NOT acceptable.

Funnyblastard · 24/07/2017 18:13

Man here.. I didn't read all you post, got half way thru and that was enough, I normaly hate it when I see the women on here say this but seriously you should ltb! He should not be doing that full stop, you are not being unreasonable, he is, get out of there

Asparaguswee · 24/07/2017 18:45

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Eggandchipsfortea93 · 24/07/2017 18:56

Asparaguswee, that was entirely uncalled for, and completely sexist Hmm

Branleuse · 24/07/2017 18:56

I think what hes doing is more of a betrayal than shagging someone. I cant believe hes putting it all back on you. You are not mental, you had every right to read his texts when he was acting suspiciously, and your fears were confirmed. He also lied through his teeth about it.

what did he mean about chatting to her by the pool on holiday?

2014newme · 24/07/2017 19:02

You surely are not going on holiday with him?!?!

foxyloxy78 · 24/07/2017 19:07

He is the mental one! Doing this after 20 years of marriage. Refusing to admit he is in the wrong. It is ok as long as it does not go anywhere?!?! Poor deluded man. Leave the bastard. You deserve so much more than this crap.

SuperSkyRocketing · 24/07/2017 19:20

Ltb.

What a complete knob.

SandyY2K · 24/07/2017 19:30

What utter disrespect to you and for him to say he's not going to stop it as well.

So I'd personally do one of two things.... Or actually I'd add a third as he's the jealous type.

  1. I'd end the marriage
  2. I'd openly start a similar relationship and see how that goes goes down

OR...
3) Tell him that you might as well go for an open marriage on both sides, as he's got no intention of stopping and two can play at that game.

I'm quite sure you'd also find it exciting and a boost to your ego if another man was paying you complements.... And I can tell you, as a woman it's easy to find men who are willing to flirt with you.

Whilst I said the three options, I'd actually go for divorce, as I refuse to be disrespected and taken for a fool like he's doing.

He can relish in the fact that there won't be a 20th Anniversary and go and pursue his other woman.

SandyY2K · 24/07/2017 19:33

Thank god you came along when you did funnyblastard us women folk were struggling along without a manly hand to guide us......ignore all other posts OP, a MAN has arrive to solve all your problems!!

Was that necessary?

He was just saying that as a man, he found the behaviour out of order.

Why are there so many man haters here. No need for it.

HattiesBackpack · 24/07/2017 19:49

OP you shouldn't have to 'fight' for you 'D'H.

Honestly my advice would be that it is ultimatum time: he drops this 'friendship' and you use the holiday to reconnect, or you need to look at separating, if you carry on like this
you will end up losing all your self
worth.

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 24/07/2017 19:53

I too would tell him to fuck off, you are far from mental Hmm Your husband sounds like a cunt, stop letting him shit on you from a great height.

Iflyaway · 24/07/2017 20:00

the last couple of months I had noticed that he was withdrawing from me, becoming very distant. So many little things that were just so out of character. He was off sex, he always used to cuddle me every morning after his alarm went off, but that stopped

Sorry love, your OP was too much to get through, but this is all you need to know.

Time to get your head out of the sand and LTB.

He ain't got the balls to tell you there is someone else.

But YOU DO have those balls to make your own way in life!!

Ragusa · 24/07/2017 20:08

Emotional affair my arse. If he is not shagging her already he is only a whisker away. Really, honestly.

He reminds me of Bridget Jones' mother when she runs off with the orange daytime tv presenter!

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 24/07/2017 20:12

I doubt this is just an emotional affair.

Aperolspritzer123 · 24/07/2017 20:12

I am so angry on your behalf. What an absolute disrespectful piece of shit he is.
How dare he rubbish you, your marriage and your family like this?
I would be getting fucking incandescent with rage if I were you and kicking the sad little excuse for a man out on his arse.
This is the sort of thing that will damage your self esteem irrevocably if you're not careful - permanently.
Get some fire in your belly. He is taking the piss out of you. You, the woman who has loved him, cherished him and given him 3 beautiful children. How dare he.
L.T.B.

SandyY2K · 24/07/2017 20:16

If your husband thinks this is okay, would he want his family, your children and your family knowing about it?

He knows it's wrong, hence he denied and deleted the messages.

I will not fight for a marriage, where my husband has the bare faced cheek to tell you he won't stop or if he does he'll be miserable.

By that he's saying being married to you isn't enough. You aren't enough to keep him happy, so really the only option for me would be to show him the door and let him be happy.

UnicornSparkles1 · 24/07/2017 20:24

He's having an emotional affair and is unwilling to stop even now you know. He knows he's in the wrong, hence the trying to cover his tracks and deleting the messages and his anger at being found out.

Unless you're keen on a polyamorous relationship I'd be issuing some very serious ultimatums.

ems137 · 24/07/2017 20:29

Keep your self respect and get rid of this cheating scumbag. He's clearly got absolutely no respect or love left for you.

What a disgusting way to behave and as if that wasn't bad enough, he tells you he won't stop or he'll go back to being miserable! Well cut the poor lamb free, let him be happy!

yetmorecrap · 24/07/2017 20:31

Please listen to me OP. I too have had a very similar situation with a 21 year old when my husband was 40 and we had been married 8 years. I found a ton of over texting and confronted him, I was totally gaslighted too and let it drop. 11 years later(8 months ago) I found a load of stuff he had written down about it, songs, poems etc , I went back and checked our bills and found out he carried on the texting for years, not as much but still a fair bit, and a quick battery change and power up of a couple of old phones showed me some meeting up messages too, in secret of course, none of this was really 'flirty' stuff but it's enough for me that it was all hidden. She moved abroad and then the Facebook messenger stuff started, all perfectly pleasant chat but never ever mentioned to me plus lots of comments about meeting up. Like you it appears to have been an infatuation, he says it was just a 'crush in his head ' but it isn't when it was on paper, in posts, in texts, in songs he recorded etc. If I knew now the extent of this I would have told him to piss off there and then and to be honest I think our marriage possibly would have been repairable, as it is I feel I have been taken for a mug, and after 22 years I'm not sure I will be staying but need to sort some practical stuff. I think a sharp shock to your H would be the best way to get his head out his arse if that's what you want. My H is reasonably remorseful although I know he feels a twat and doesn't want it discussed, but the lack of trust I feel will remain with me, you I think will find it easier to get things straight in your head about how you feel without thinking every day you want to punch him hard when you look at his smug face, it's not a nice feeling.

Silverthorn · 24/07/2017 20:33

Devastating. Time to get angry. Get all your paperwork sorted and divorce. I couldn't stay with someone so utterly disrespectful. He's having an affair and he's actually told you he's not going to stop.
I also hope you have a similarly time consuming hobby so this relationship had some parity but it doesn't come across in your post sadly.

FaFoutis · 24/07/2017 20:38

In my experience this sort of thing always ends up that he was shagging her all along.
Please get cynical and angry OP. He's treating you like shit.

doodledoodudu · 24/07/2017 20:40

What a twat. You have to be cruel to be kind...give him a kick up the arse and show him what it feels like to lose you x

timeisnotaline · 24/07/2017 20:45

Everybody else has said it, but you can't let him go on holiday with you if that's coming up. Explain you want to flirt by the pool and not think about him at all, and he wants to message his emotional attachment , so you will do it separately.

Octopus37 · 24/07/2017 20:46

I'm sorry but I'm going to say leave the bastard. How dare he behave in such an out of order way and then have the cheek to project it onto you by making out that you are being insecure and unreasonable. Sorry to say but I really don't think he has any respect for you, how dare he not show any guilt or remorse. What a total and utter twat. Please kick him out to give yourself some headspace. How old are your kids? Could you manage financially on your own? There is no way I would tolerate his behaviour. Please stay strong, kick him out and get yourself the happiness you deserve. You sound as if you have been very giving and reasonable in your relationship. There is nothing wrong with your feelings or behavour, tbh I think you have been very mild.