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I'm leaving him.

542 replies

BitOfANameChange · 24/06/2017 10:30

I've named changed for this; he knows I use MN, although he probably doesn't follow me online.

After 30 years, I've had enough. It's all low level controlling and abusive stuff, which he would certainly deny is abusive. He can be nice at times, especially in public.

But I get treated like a child, told to do this or that. Since the moment I got pregnant I found myself effectively doing all the chores. He'll find some way, all the time, of making an excuse whey he shouldn't be doing them. In particular, his excuse when I was part time for the sake of the children (despite my job at the time being the higher earning potential) was that I had "more time".

I've been reading this board for a long time, and had a slow realisation that a lot of the things described here apply to me in some way. I do come from a dysfunctional family, but they aren't nasty parents, just clueless from their dysfunctions. They love me and my DB dearly, and are loaning me the money to set up in a rental property with the DCs. It's probably no coincidence that DB has also recently come out of an abusive relationship.

'D'P and I never married. He'd divorced his wife when I met him, quite young, and I know now the flags I should have spotted then; badmouthing the ex (who I actually get on well with), the maninuplation by hinting at suicide a couple of times, the depression that somehow allows hime to be an arsehole, etc.

So as we aren't married, the house is in his name, but I ended up being pressured into paying off a chuck of the mortgage with my redundancy payment, "to reduce our costs until you get another job". But he never cut down his mortgage overpayments, cleared the morgage and is now building up his savings, while I have no savings having paid his morgage. I do work now, FT.

The DCs and I walk on eggshells wondering about what mood he'll be in on getting home. Never actually been physically abusive, though. But the incident that started me thinking about the relationship and it's effect on the DCs was late last year, when DC1 and I were in the kitchen with him, and he told her to stop "screaming". She wasn't but her voice can get high when she's excited. She spoke again in that high voice and he yelled at her. She scuttled to the other end of the kitchen before i could intervene and he grabbed her arm hard enough to leave a mark. She's scared of hime now, with good reason. Since then, there's been a little edge of aggression towards her which he doesn't show to our DS. She has bad anxiety and mild depression (been to a doctor) and DS is showing the signs of following suit.

I've always been a comfort eater, and looking back I can see living with him has always raised my stress levels. I'm obese, but instead of being supportive I get constant fat digs from him, including during sex, and he wonders why my libido is dropping. I'm making modifications to my diet and have recently increased my activity levels significantly. I feel better for that.

There are other factors as well, influencing my decision, but going into them could out me.

I realised how much of a crap person he is, and secretly started planning an exit. I've never rented before having straight from parents into his house. But I'm using some of the info gleaned from you lovely people and my application for a little house for me and DCs is progressing well.

I have a cousin with some housing experience, who has given me the name of a good local solitor, so I'm hoping I can get back the money I paid into the house (I do have paper trail). I'm going to be scanning his financial documents when he's out, and saving them to my cloud storage.

I can't talk to him to try and repair this. He'd simply deny abuse, and try to twist it all that it's my fault. Like DD, I'm a little scared of him now.

Sorry, this must seem quite a ramble, but I guess it's because I am finally letting it all out. I'm not expecting anyone to reply, but it's helping me to set it down.

OP posts:
Oddlookingeyes · 06/08/2017 08:40

Hope you all slept well, and what a wonderful strong lady you are OP.

Everyone is here to listen, and you have lurkers like me cheering you on.

shoeaddict83 · 06/08/2017 09:40

Well done on moving op I'm so glad you got moved in ok. Hope you all slept well, you're so unbelievably strong Flowers

ohamIreally · 06/08/2017 10:04

Congratulations on your freedom Flowers

sourgrapes28 · 06/08/2017 10:26

Congratulations on your lovely new home. Flowers

I knew you would have a busy day yesterday but I'm so glad you could get on and give us an update, and even better that everything went well ( or as well as can be expected ). Dd will come round in time as you say, once she's been free for a few weeks she'll realise her safe space is with you. Stay strong op and we're all here for you Flowers

BitOfANameChange · 06/08/2017 11:27

I am in real turmoil right now.

He's sent an email with letters to each of us.

I've read them. He finally tells both DCs he's proud of them. He wants to talk to them and give his side of things.

I don't know how much to believe.

OP posts:
bullyingadvice2017 · 06/08/2017 11:34

So he's had a tough 24 hours. You and your children have had years, and years of pussy footing around his shit. He will pull out all the stops now. Become the loving, caring, clean, mr perfect. Right until he thinks he's done enough that it.
Then he will revert back to being a twat.
Keep strong you are doing amazing. Leave the emails, he can wait till you are feeling strong.

Go for a walk and explore your new area, enjoy being with your kids with him not looking over you. And if you can't be arsed washing up, well leave it, your the boss now op and no one can tell you different!

Aussiebean · 06/08/2017 11:44

He thought something like this would happen and did nothing. Not think about why, what he could change and how to make it better.

Instead he continued. It's only after you left that he is proud of them. Hmm

Groovee · 06/08/2017 11:47

He's trying to blackmail you. You and the teens are strong. The change will take getting used to. But you will all start to relax and enjoy your new life.

Harriot56 · 06/08/2017 11:59

Love your new life and enjoy being free. I wish I had the strength to do the same xxxx ur such an inspiration Flowers

lastrose123 · 06/08/2017 12:14

They will see him in time and it is for them to continue to have a relationship with their father if they wish to. It will not be easy for you and l expect he will disparage you but keep strong. I expect he is finding it difficult an short email saying you will be in touch should suffice for today. Do not let him worm his way back in.

kaitlinktm · 06/08/2017 12:28

He has repeatedly given them "his side of things" - to the detriment of your DC's mental health. If you want to find strength, read through some of your posts on here - I have. Remember this about your DD

he grabbed her arm hard enough to leave a mark. She's scared of hime now, with good reason. Since then, there's been a little edge of aggression towards her which he doesn't show to our DS. She has bad anxiety and mild depression (been to a doctor) and DS is showing the signs of following suit

and this?

he decided to have a rant at me about how our DD should be doing all the housework, that she shouldn't need to be reminded about what to do and so on

He was saying that she'll never be able to cope with living alone if she doesn't do this (she will), that if she doesn't do this he'll drag her outside when he leaves for work and lock her out, it was a real rant (and blaming me too)

What about this?

he sees her doing everything as payback for money spent on her growing up. He doesn't like her asking DS to help, even though he too is at home from school of course. He even said that DD is my responsibility, so I was to leave DS to him

Remember that the GP has confirmed that your DD's anxiety is situational (have I got the word right?) meaning that it is to do with how her father treats her - please don't allow him to have direct access to her whilst she is so vulnerable. Can you limit him to emails and maybe (not sure) phone calls - which she can end when she wants?

And your DS too - remember:

DS had a bit of a panic attack at lunch out yesterday. DP being with us, he saw this and started going on about being concerned, now that both DCs are showing signs on stress and anxiety.
He scares me definitely. He scares the DCs. I hate the fact that they have learned to put on a front in the same way I have.
And the moment we're home, he's barking orders at the DCs, DD in particular, and telling me not to undermine him

He might not be as hard on DS but he is still causing him harm - you are all frightened of him and he is damaging his DC.

Remember the dangerous driving and the horrible holiday. You have done the right thing. He has had all these years to be a better father / husband / person - but he has become the person he is. Stay strong OP and leave it a little while before replying to him - at least 24 hours - discuss things with your children but remember, he has show you who he is by his actions. What you are seeing now are cheap words provoked by the loss of his own comfortable, controlling life.

(Sorry this is so long). Blush

DancingLedge · 06/08/2017 12:59

Talk is cheap.
He expects you all to believe he's changed overnight??
It's quite easy to value someone you've just lost, and feel regretful.
It's living like you value your children that gives them a message that will remain with them for life.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/08/2017 13:00

One 'nice' email doesn't make up for years of verbal and emotional abuse. It's easy to be 'nice' when it's just words and no action is needed. It's strategic to be nice when you want your emotional punching bags back.

Here's the thing. IF (and that's a huge if) he has had a Damascene epiphany (which I doubt) then time will tell. And that time needs to be spent apart whilst he proves himself. And IF he has changed (again which I doubt), he will understand that he fucked up and agree that he must earn his way back by going to counseling and making major changes before there is even any talk of reconciliation.

But I believe that the 'nice' will disappear when he realizes that you and the children are NOT coming back because of one 'nice' email.

SoLonelyandHeartbroken · 06/08/2017 13:25

Please please don't give in. Not straight away. Even if you only see this as a break. Take 6 months out. See how you feel in 4 months time. (Presumably you have a 6 month initial Tenancy on your house?)?

juneau · 06/08/2017 14:03

OP he's going to throw every single thing he can at getting you back. You need to steel yourself. He's a controlling fucker and you've escaped - he is not going to like that. He wants you all back where he can control you. Be strong. FGS don't fall for his pleading. He's had 30 YEARS to treat you all with love and respect (well you anyway, the DC however long they've been alive). You know what he's like. He'll beg and plead and promise to change and so you'll all go trooping back with your tails between your legs and within no more than weeks he'll be treating you all like his personal skivvies again. THIS IS THE HARDEST BIT. TBH I'd cut contact until you're feeling strong enough to deal with it. He's going to bombard you with this shit if you let him.

LEOPARDS DO NOT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS. DON'T FALL FOR IT!!!!!

BitOfANameChange · 06/08/2017 14:22

I asked for space. He's emailed again. I have ignored.

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IrritatedUser1960 · 06/08/2017 14:25

You will be amazing on your own, the best of luck with it and you will not believe how happy you are when he is gone Flowers

Zaphodsotherhead · 06/08/2017 14:41

He's just realising he's blown it. He thought he had you all where he wanted you - obedient and compliant - and he's just found out that it was an act on your part. So he feels stupid that he didn't realise you weren't REALLY that obedient little woman.

Serves him right. Let him stew in the juice of his own making. If you went back, no doubt he'd be all magnanimous and 'we'll say no more about it', then back to his old ways, knowing he's got you trapped. And you'd never have space to get away again (he'll police your every move, just to make sure).

Hold you nerve, Bit. The future is yours for the taking...

SandyY2K · 06/08/2017 14:53

I suggest you block him from your email, then create a new account and give him the email address. He will be the only person to email that address and you don't have to check it unless you don't want to.

Just ignore him, until you're ready.

pointythings · 06/08/2017 14:55

I'd block his email address, at least temporarily. Just to make it easier to resist the temptation of responding.

SandyY2K · 06/08/2017 14:56

I just can't forget his life threatening driving in the rain. Just another form of abuse.

He's scared of being a lonely old man.

SabineUndine · 06/08/2017 14:56

He's being a manipulative bastard. Ignore him.

YouCantArgueWithStupid · 06/08/2017 14:58

You're fucking amazing OP! As are your kids! Hope you all have some peace now ⭐️

kaitlinktm · 06/08/2017 15:14

Please don't believe anything he says, anything he promises. You asked him to give you space - what does he do? He emails straight away. He does not care about you. He does not truly care about his DC - only in that they should make him look like a good father. He has had 30 years to show you who he is - the slave-driving, manipulative, judgemental, abusive bully - that's the real him.

Please listen to what pp have said about emails and don't respond promptly to him, make him wait - check your emails from him once a day and then maybe wait until the next day to reply - only reply sooner if it is absolutely necessary. Devote your energies to your new home and the well-being of your children - those are your priorities now.

qazxc · 06/08/2017 15:38

Ah the nice act shortly to be followed by the throwing his toys out of the pram when you refuse to dance to his tune I expect.
Disengage and carry on as you have planned.
Crashing and sadness or wobbles are to be expected now the adrenaline and escape are over.
Flowers

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