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A female friendship one. Friend who ghosted me wants to be back in touch

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iceicebabyplease · 19/06/2017 16:05

Six years ago my closest friend stopped talking to me. She blocked me on social media. Refused to answer my calls and bad mouthed me to a lot of people in our local community.

I am not sure what this was triggered by, but I have a few suspicions: I used to work with her and I had just got a job in a different town which was a promotion where I had to move away. We had an over intense friendship (seeing each other every day, at each other’s houses after work, sharing money,) and so I can see that the change could have made her angry or upset if she felt stuck where she was.

I also got married and started having children at the time and she might have predicted that I’d no longer be at her beck and call – even though I would never have sacked the friendship because I got married or had DC. I really value my friends.

Thirdly, she ended up having a relationship with my abusive ex who I’d been with ten years (before I met my husband.) She had been the one who talked me through the end of the relationship, saw his worst behavior, helped me get out, pack my bags etc. She got with him about 4 years ago, and broke up with him 2 years ago. ( I had heard she was with him through mutual friends although their relationship has now ended.)

I never would have stopped speaking to her or thrown years of friendship down the toilet, for any of these reasons, but she seemed to not have much faith in that. She was adopted and fostered throughout her childhood and always said she has a hard time trusting people.

So while I sympathise with that, I really don’t want to be friends with someone who can treat me like this.

The problem is, she has done quite a lot of damage to my reputation. We work in the same industry, so it’s professional damage as well as social damage. She is a very charming person upon first meeting, much more charming than I am. Good looking and passionate and funny. She makes friends quickly and gains loyalty quickly, and I have noticed that it has greatly affected my relationships with some people refusing to work with me or to know or acknowledge me socially, especially some of the big clients in the area. This was especially a kick in the teeth when I moved companies (from the one we worked at) as she made it her life's mission to ruin all my client relationships.

I have no idea what she’s been saying.

She and I still have mutual friends, who – every time I’ve asked what the problem is – just shrug and tell me she’s jealous and I need to rise above it. And I have. It has been six years after all and I’ve survived but been terribly hurt.

Anyway, a mutual friend has been in touch to tell me that she thinks my old friend wants to be back in touch with me and would I like her to organize a coffee for the three of us. My first reaction was YES. I have suffered for six years not knowing what it was that caused the rift, and suffered the professional damage too. And while there is no way I will be close friends with her ever again, I would welcome the opportunity to clear the air and neutralize things so I (we?) can both move on.

Mutual friend said okay great, I’ll organize it. She forwarded a text she received back from my old friend, positive about meeting and trying to find a time and a day. Old friend has also unblocked me on social media so I can now see the public version of her profiles, I presume so if we become “friends” and “add” each other again she doesn’t have to talk about why she did it in the first place.

Mutual friend messaged me last night and told me that I must keep it “light.” That I mustn’t jump in with a “why did you do this to me?” and that we should all talk about neutral subjects during our coffee. But the thing is, I have been so hurt. And she’s done so much, that I feel this coffee is now designed to disregard my feelings, sweep things under the carpet and re-establish a fake friendship where nothing is ever spoken about and she gets the benefits of friendship with me again without ever having to explain her behavior.

What happened was and is a huge deal to me. At the times that I have seen her in public since she stopped speaking to me, my heart has pounded in my chest and sweat has pricked under my armpits, and I’ve thought about it for hours afterwards and gone over it with other people.

But I am also tempted by the opportunity this presents to undo the professional damage. Even if she is a total cow, who doesn’t give a toss about me, simply neutralizing things, forgetting it never happened, being friends again on social media (a big deal in our job btw) should restore things professionally for me.

WWYD?

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CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 19/06/2017 21:17

OP....my feeling is that your toxic ex-best friend is after your new client list - so she can either steal them or badmouth you to them.

she was never your best friend.....they don't behave like that.

NellieFiveBellies · 19/06/2017 21:19

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iceicebabyplease · 19/06/2017 21:28

Sorry for delay in replying

You have all made me see sense. I was up for it, and thought there would be an apology or an explanation or even a talk when mutual friend originally suggested it, but now she seems to be suggesting things I should do to get back in old friend's good books before we've even met.

I don't find mutual friend to be in the wrong or have bad motives (maybe I am just naive). She has listened to me moan and seen how sad and baffled I am about ex friend, so seems to want to be fixing it, but could also be being manipulated by ex friend.

I am just worried that if I back out now it confirms to ex friend whatever story she has told herself - that I am some unreliable, disloyal person who thinks she is better than everyone (I don't know I am speculating that's what she has justified it to herself as.)

Replies have been brilliant, really made me think and get to the bottom of it

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Loopytiles · 19/06/2017 21:29

What ex friend thinks doesn't matter. Ditto mutual friend.

Whocansay · 19/06/2017 21:31

I would cease contact for any one of the things you listed. She is actually dangerous for you. I do not understand why you would put yourself in harm's way.

She wants something. And I guarantee there will be no joy in this for you. She isn't sorry. She will not apologise. Given her form I would block her on all social media. She probably wants to steal your Linked In contacts and then rubbish you again.

And the 'mutual' friend is not your friend. She's her friend. If she was your friend she wouldn't be telling you to censor your conversation. Do not meet with her.

SweetLuck · 19/06/2017 21:31

Just say 'sorry, I've had a chance to think about it now and think there's probably been a bit too much water under the bridge, probably best left, all the best.' And leave it at that.

Dontjudgeme1 · 19/06/2017 21:43

Please, Please dont meet her. She sounds horrible.

Fishface199 · 19/06/2017 21:46

What Sweetluck said. Can be honest and leave it at that.

Thebluedog · 19/06/2017 21:50

If she genuinely wanted to be friends again, she'd have contacted you directly, explained herself and apologised. As it stands she's done none of the above, taken the easy route via a mutual friend and us even putting boundaries up around what you can and can't talk about.

Don't bother. Plus her opinion of you is none of your business, don't give a monkeys about what she thinks.

Just reply to your mutual friend with a 'thanks for the invite, but please apologise for me, as I won't be joining you both for a coffee, wish 'friend' all the best for me' or words to that effect.

BigSunglasses00 · 19/06/2017 21:51

I am just worried that if I back out now it confirms to ex friend whatever story she has told herself - that I am some unreliable, disloyal person who thinks she is better than everyone (I don't know I am speculating that's what she has justified it to herself as.)

I'd be more worried that by going and agreeing to walk on eggshells she'd perceive it as you as admitting some sort of fault or responsibility. As in 'I can't have done anything that wrong if she's willing to meet me for a coffee and friendly chat'. But who knows.

category12 · 19/06/2017 21:59

What Sweetluck said: 'sorry, I've had a chance to think about it now and think there's probably been a bit too much water under the bridge, probably best left, all the best.'

GretchenFranklin · 19/06/2017 22:03

Your exfriend is spectacularly odd. What if you 'upset' this strange person some more, by accident?

She seems to be very powerful and manipulative. I think you should stay as far as you can away. She is drawing you in for her purposes and will not serve yours.

mogulfield · 19/06/2017 22:04

She sounds very very odd stay away.
I also think you need to work on your self esteem if you feel you need friends who treat you like crap (I mean this in a nice way; I've let friends treat me badly when I shouldn't because my self esteem isn't great).

ArgyMargy · 19/06/2017 22:09

What on earth is so dull about your life that you would actively engage in this ridiculous drama? Delete, block, ignore, forget, forgive, move on.

Cricrichan · 19/06/2017 22:40

Stay away. People will eventually see for themselves what she's like as you're unlikely to be her only victim.

I'd be wary of mutual friends too and just have a clean break from them all.

Glamorousglitter · 19/06/2017 23:17

Assuming you don't meet her, I think too you need to move on from this, closure. Stop wondering what happened, stop being sad about it, just move off. It s difficult - I know I had a similar situation before. You ve got to stop yourself mulling over it and move on. X

TheLegendOfBeans · 20/06/2017 07:00

I don't find mutual friend to be in the wrong or have bad motives (maybe I am just naive). She has listened to me moan and seen how sad and baffled I am about ex friend, so seems to want to be fixing it, but could also be being manipulated by ex friend.

Oh fuck that.

Creampastry · 20/06/2017 07:16

Don't go! You won't get the answers you want. Stop asking about her and move on. She's clearly not your friend, she's made that obvious. I assume you didn't like getting pissed on by her before so why go back for more?

Bananamanfan · 20/06/2017 07:23

Agree with pps; all that is likely to come from meeting & getting back in touch is a fresh campaign against you. She may have a liitle paddy about you not meeting, but it will be minimal compared to the potential fall out if you let her back in again.

Bananamanfan · 20/06/2017 07:26

Do not share any more opinions on or feelings about the ex friend with the mutual friend either.

Noctilucent · 20/06/2017 09:15

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SherbertLemon2011 · 20/06/2017 12:09

"Thank you for your text telling me not to ask xxxxx about why she suddenly decided to stop talking to me 6 years ago if we are to meet up again. I have thought a lot about it. If I don't know what she feels I did wrong then I run the risk of unwittingly offending xxxxx again which I would not want to happen and then I will be back to being bewildered and upset too. With that in mind I think it is best if we do not meet up. I, as always, wish both xxxxx and you all the best. Ice x ''

PeachPearPotato · 20/06/2017 12:26

sherbet perfect message. You need to help her not to lose face I think, however tempting it is to do the opposite, so that she has absolutely nothing she can criticise you for and you retain the moral high ground.

She sounds very disturbed.

category12 · 20/06/2017 12:33

I think Sherbert's message gives them too much to pick apart - I'd assume it's going to be looked at by two pairs of unfriendly eyes. They'll take complete umbrage.

Short and sweet, I reckon, something like: "Sorry, can't make it. I think we'll just leave it. Give x my best."

FizzyGreenWater · 20/06/2017 12:34

Certainly don't meet her - but I don't think you're going to now by the sound of it so good.

Think this one through. Why does she want to meet? It certainly isn't to apologise in order to genuinely restart the friendship. Apart from the fact that she doesn't sound the type to do that (!) - if she did want that, she'd have let mutual friend know that - 'she's so sorry, she'd like to make it up to you' etc - or, she would have got in touch herself with an apology.

So it's not about that. She's not realised how wrong she was etc. That means that you would not get what you want out of the meeting - no explanation, no apology would be forthcoming.

On the contrary, she's already being bullish - trying to take control, no sense of shame or contrition.

So why does she want to meet at all? There has to be a reason. Others have guessed above - it could be anything from wanting to make new drama or even wanting to steal your client list. None of the possible reasons have any benefit to you. None of the possible agendas she has are anything but bad to you and common sense says don't let her in - to your life, to your social media, anything.

My guess is this - nasty people are always found out in the end. She trashed you and a lot of people believed her. Six years on, a lot of those people have probably had the same treatment, or realised through the grapevine (as you say, your industry lives and dies by the grapevine, yes?) that you're not the evil cow she portrayed and that she's not exactly a nice person. She has probably had her VERY public bitchy trashing of you come back to bite her on the bum more than once (again, grapevine! Works both ways, you see...)

So my guess is that she wants to have folk see that you and her are on good terms. Because somehow, it is damaging her that you very publicly aren't. But there's no niceness in that for you - she's going to make sure what happens fits her purposes, and she's going to bully you to get that result.

The point I'm making here is that you have power. It's not surprising that you feel on the back foor here as that's where she very aggressviely put you. But you aren't - the power has shifted. Now she needs you to say all is ok so she looks better. So I wouldn't be afraid of her trashing you anew if you refuse to meet. I don't think she'll want to draw attention to it.

How to deal?

'Ok, thatnks for letting me know how X feels about the meeting. I've had a rethink and I don't think it's a good idea - I certainly wouldn't want X to be upset by going over old ground so to speak, so let's just leave it. Probably too much water under the bridge anyway to be honest, I've moved on and I'm sure she has too. All the best to you both.'