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A female friendship one. Friend who ghosted me wants to be back in touch

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iceicebabyplease · 19/06/2017 16:05

Six years ago my closest friend stopped talking to me. She blocked me on social media. Refused to answer my calls and bad mouthed me to a lot of people in our local community.

I am not sure what this was triggered by, but I have a few suspicions: I used to work with her and I had just got a job in a different town which was a promotion where I had to move away. We had an over intense friendship (seeing each other every day, at each other’s houses after work, sharing money,) and so I can see that the change could have made her angry or upset if she felt stuck where she was.

I also got married and started having children at the time and she might have predicted that I’d no longer be at her beck and call – even though I would never have sacked the friendship because I got married or had DC. I really value my friends.

Thirdly, she ended up having a relationship with my abusive ex who I’d been with ten years (before I met my husband.) She had been the one who talked me through the end of the relationship, saw his worst behavior, helped me get out, pack my bags etc. She got with him about 4 years ago, and broke up with him 2 years ago. ( I had heard she was with him through mutual friends although their relationship has now ended.)

I never would have stopped speaking to her or thrown years of friendship down the toilet, for any of these reasons, but she seemed to not have much faith in that. She was adopted and fostered throughout her childhood and always said she has a hard time trusting people.

So while I sympathise with that, I really don’t want to be friends with someone who can treat me like this.

The problem is, she has done quite a lot of damage to my reputation. We work in the same industry, so it’s professional damage as well as social damage. She is a very charming person upon first meeting, much more charming than I am. Good looking and passionate and funny. She makes friends quickly and gains loyalty quickly, and I have noticed that it has greatly affected my relationships with some people refusing to work with me or to know or acknowledge me socially, especially some of the big clients in the area. This was especially a kick in the teeth when I moved companies (from the one we worked at) as she made it her life's mission to ruin all my client relationships.

I have no idea what she’s been saying.

She and I still have mutual friends, who – every time I’ve asked what the problem is – just shrug and tell me she’s jealous and I need to rise above it. And I have. It has been six years after all and I’ve survived but been terribly hurt.

Anyway, a mutual friend has been in touch to tell me that she thinks my old friend wants to be back in touch with me and would I like her to organize a coffee for the three of us. My first reaction was YES. I have suffered for six years not knowing what it was that caused the rift, and suffered the professional damage too. And while there is no way I will be close friends with her ever again, I would welcome the opportunity to clear the air and neutralize things so I (we?) can both move on.

Mutual friend said okay great, I’ll organize it. She forwarded a text she received back from my old friend, positive about meeting and trying to find a time and a day. Old friend has also unblocked me on social media so I can now see the public version of her profiles, I presume so if we become “friends” and “add” each other again she doesn’t have to talk about why she did it in the first place.

Mutual friend messaged me last night and told me that I must keep it “light.” That I mustn’t jump in with a “why did you do this to me?” and that we should all talk about neutral subjects during our coffee. But the thing is, I have been so hurt. And she’s done so much, that I feel this coffee is now designed to disregard my feelings, sweep things under the carpet and re-establish a fake friendship where nothing is ever spoken about and she gets the benefits of friendship with me again without ever having to explain her behavior.

What happened was and is a huge deal to me. At the times that I have seen her in public since she stopped speaking to me, my heart has pounded in my chest and sweat has pricked under my armpits, and I’ve thought about it for hours afterwards and gone over it with other people.

But I am also tempted by the opportunity this presents to undo the professional damage. Even if she is a total cow, who doesn’t give a toss about me, simply neutralizing things, forgetting it never happened, being friends again on social media (a big deal in our job btw) should restore things professionally for me.

WWYD?

OP posts:
FantasticButtocks · 19/06/2017 18:06

She is trouble. She's toxic. She's hurt you badly. Don't put yourself in the firing line for more.

She helped you to leave your abusive partner, and then had a relationship with him herself? Shock So many things wrong with that I could write an essay... I'll spare you that

You could say to the mutual friend words to the effect of "Look, I know I said yes at first, but actually your comment that it should be me that treads on egg shells has changed my mind. I don't think meeting up is a good idea."

The only reason that meeting up would be of any benefit to you is if she has actually seen the error of her ways and is desperate to give you a heartfelt apology. The mutual friend's message has not indicated that this is the case.

Do yourself a favour and stay away Flowers

AnneLovesGilbert · 19/06/2017 18:06

I'm intrigued by the agenda being peddled by the mutual friend. What can you imagine her deal is?

Presumably she knows the whole history so it's good of you to still be friends with her when she's also spending time with this horrible person who's used your previous closeness to sabotage your personal and professional life.

As tempting as it may be to seek answers I ageee with nearly everyone else that sadly you won't get any and you're in a very vulnerable position as the genuine hurt party while these two women are after something from you and you're unlikely to ever find out what it is.

You sound like a really lovely person, kind and forgiving. Please protect yourself from more potential hurt.

Glamorousglitter · 19/06/2017 18:09

Agree with the others I don't think you ll get the emotional closure you need
Also wonder if friend wants to do further damage to you and your reputation by getting close and getting further wmunition again!
I would worry if you don't go however that she could equally twist things around again, so I think I d bring another pal/ partner / witness to the whole event and get through it again. The keep your distance, don't rehash history go with a view to being able to be civil to each other in the future and damage limitation

UndersecretaryofWhimsy · 19/06/2017 18:13

Christ almighty, don't touch it with a bargepole.

Your former 'friend' has obviously had a difficult and challenging life. That doesn't excuse or forgive how she has treated you. If she wanted to sincerely apologise, there would be no need for the mutual friend or all of this 'management'.

Unfortunately, what you've learned about her is that she is damaged enough that she will use and abuse your feelings for her to serve her own agenda. There's no indication that that has changed, and every indication that she's setting you up for Round 2.

Go your own way, earn your own professional reputation and connections. She's spent all her powder in that area already - she can't do any more damage (unless you let her in again).

AtrociousCircumstance · 19/06/2017 18:15

No, no, no - don't meet her. You will get none of the things you need, you will be hurt again, manipulated, offended and expected to suck it up - YOU will be pressurised into apologising to HER - it will be an absolute nightmare.

Don't do it to yourself. Of this no good can come.

AddToBasket · 19/06/2017 18:20

This is just another way to exercise control over you, OP. You might feel ok about the coffee but do you want a friendship where you can be given instructions in advance about how to behave?

GreenRut · 19/06/2017 18:26

No way would I meet up with her. I'd tell mutual friend that actually, having given it some thought, you've got nothing to say to old friend and more to the point there is nothing she could say that you want to hear. If she starts meddling and encouraging you to change your mind I would tell her to go and stick her nose in someone else's business.

AddToBasket · 19/06/2017 18:28

I would be so careful not to be aggressive here. No provoking.

Say to mutual friend that you have so much going on that this is one thing too many to concentrate on. You wish your ex-friend well but you don't have the energy for it at the moment.

Then just don't be drawn on that.

WesternMeadowlark · 19/06/2017 18:28

[StormTreader Mon 19-Jun-17 16:58:38]

'The cynical side of me is saying "shes found it very useful to be able to get a leg up career-wise by slandering you, and after 6 years people are starting to find it a bit weird shes still talking about it when she hasnt even seen you for so long. She wants to get back in a bit to 'refresh' things so that she can do the exact same thing all over again".'

This. It could be outright dangerous for you to go ahead with it. In your position, I'd run a mile.

Gemini69 · 19/06/2017 18:29

Dear Lady.... I cannot express loudly and clearly enough on this network.. DO NOT ENTERTAIN THIS VILE NASTY BINT.... with all those TERMS and Conditions.... WTF...

KICK THIS INTO SPACE where is belongs Lady xxxxx

BernadetteBunny · 19/06/2017 18:30

I would laugh this proposal out of Dodge, but I think you will meet her because you want closure on the estrangement. I also think that you will not be surprised when the new 'lite' friendship goes off pretty quickly.

Mediator Friend owes her in some way IIWM I would be interested to know why, but you are getting censored so that probably won't happen from her lips. Have you wondered why, if the social media contacts are so important in your field, ex-friend now even wants a truce?

Cupcakeicecream · 19/06/2017 18:40

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SciFiFan2015 · 19/06/2017 18:41

I would go but with the full intention of treating this person as a frenemy forever after. I do listen to the saying 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'

I'd have my own agenda
I'd have my own rules (i.e. Say no on social media etc.)
I'd have back-up (in this case proper friends)
I'd have my own secrets
I'd win an oscar at being friends!

Good luck. Stay aware whatever you decide.

smitti · 19/06/2017 18:45

If she was genuinely sorry she would write to you surely. Don't meet her.

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 19/06/2017 18:49

I understand your need for an apology, but it won't change anything. She has treated you appallingly. Whatever her reasons were, they aren't exactly going to be reasonable and she's unlikely to tell you the truth.
Will meeting up with her possibly make the situation worse? Someone like that can twist things.
Can you write to her instead?

Panga63 · 19/06/2017 18:53

I think shes probably jobhunting, used her own contactd and now wants to use you or your contacts - hence the social media adds. Block defriend and be too busy to go. Why would you set yourself up to be dissed again?

HazelBite · 19/06/2017 18:54

Don't do this!!
She (thinks she is being a bigger person by "reaching out") will never give you an adequate explanation as to our behaviour, as as far as she is concerned she has done nothing wrong.
Because of your emotional involvement she has the ability to hurt you further.
I would suggest you ask mutual friend to ask what former friend hopes to achieve by the meeting, see if you get an adequate explanation.

My youngest sister behaved appallingly towards myself and older sister and it created a deep rift. Various family members intervened "couldn't we put it all behind us?"Persuaded by this my older sister and myself met up with her. On meeting younger sister, older sister made a very generous speech and said she didn't want to go over old ground, lets move forward and put the past behind us etc (very forgiving) younger sis launched into an attack against the two of us, everything that had happened was our fault etc etc. Basically she wouldn't let it drop.

This all happened 20 years ago and over time most family members have suffered due to her behaviour, and she has no respect from family who live in her area.

Op you are the one who has suffered at her hands, just bide your time because I guarantee she will behave in a similar manner to others.

Gemini69 · 19/06/2017 18:57

I just wanted to add ... I have such an awful feeling about this entire thing.. to the point of it being dangerous... I feel really afraid for you ..

I implore you not to go ahead with this meet x

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 19/06/2017 19:02

Agree there is definitely something not "right" about this. Also agree suspicious of mutual friends motivations, assuming they know the full story?
I think don't go, as others have suggested say you've reflected and decided it wouldn't be in either of your best interests to meet. Maybe write a letter about how you feel but don't actually send it.

Pancakeflipper · 19/06/2017 19:03

This keeping to neutral subjects indicates she isn't wanting to meet to apologise and explain.
I think she's up to something. She destroyed you enough last time. Say no and put thoughts of her back into a box and close it.
She doesn't deserve your time.

RaspberryPi1 · 19/06/2017 19:03

You need a new mutual friend... She sounds as bad as the one they ghosted you

Gemini69 · 19/06/2017 19:05

I agree with RaspberryPi1 ... find a new mutual friend definitely

UndersecretaryofWhimsy · 19/06/2017 19:10

This whole situation screams that she wants something. Even if it's just to feed her own attention vampire.

Don't bare your neck again.

Xanadu44 · 19/06/2017 19:19

I'd definitely meet but I would also enquire as to why. If she isn't interested in answering then you're not interested in hanging round. Just leave there and then. You deserve an explanation. I'd definitely ask. Good luck! FlowersGin

Siwdmae · 19/06/2017 20:37

She won't tell you why she did it nor can she now undo the horrendous damage to your professional reputation. Why on earth do you want to give her the time of day?!

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