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A female friendship one. Friend who ghosted me wants to be back in touch

123 replies

iceicebabyplease · 19/06/2017 16:05

Six years ago my closest friend stopped talking to me. She blocked me on social media. Refused to answer my calls and bad mouthed me to a lot of people in our local community.

I am not sure what this was triggered by, but I have a few suspicions: I used to work with her and I had just got a job in a different town which was a promotion where I had to move away. We had an over intense friendship (seeing each other every day, at each other’s houses after work, sharing money,) and so I can see that the change could have made her angry or upset if she felt stuck where she was.

I also got married and started having children at the time and she might have predicted that I’d no longer be at her beck and call – even though I would never have sacked the friendship because I got married or had DC. I really value my friends.

Thirdly, she ended up having a relationship with my abusive ex who I’d been with ten years (before I met my husband.) She had been the one who talked me through the end of the relationship, saw his worst behavior, helped me get out, pack my bags etc. She got with him about 4 years ago, and broke up with him 2 years ago. ( I had heard she was with him through mutual friends although their relationship has now ended.)

I never would have stopped speaking to her or thrown years of friendship down the toilet, for any of these reasons, but she seemed to not have much faith in that. She was adopted and fostered throughout her childhood and always said she has a hard time trusting people.

So while I sympathise with that, I really don’t want to be friends with someone who can treat me like this.

The problem is, she has done quite a lot of damage to my reputation. We work in the same industry, so it’s professional damage as well as social damage. She is a very charming person upon first meeting, much more charming than I am. Good looking and passionate and funny. She makes friends quickly and gains loyalty quickly, and I have noticed that it has greatly affected my relationships with some people refusing to work with me or to know or acknowledge me socially, especially some of the big clients in the area. This was especially a kick in the teeth when I moved companies (from the one we worked at) as she made it her life's mission to ruin all my client relationships.

I have no idea what she’s been saying.

She and I still have mutual friends, who – every time I’ve asked what the problem is – just shrug and tell me she’s jealous and I need to rise above it. And I have. It has been six years after all and I’ve survived but been terribly hurt.

Anyway, a mutual friend has been in touch to tell me that she thinks my old friend wants to be back in touch with me and would I like her to organize a coffee for the three of us. My first reaction was YES. I have suffered for six years not knowing what it was that caused the rift, and suffered the professional damage too. And while there is no way I will be close friends with her ever again, I would welcome the opportunity to clear the air and neutralize things so I (we?) can both move on.

Mutual friend said okay great, I’ll organize it. She forwarded a text she received back from my old friend, positive about meeting and trying to find a time and a day. Old friend has also unblocked me on social media so I can now see the public version of her profiles, I presume so if we become “friends” and “add” each other again she doesn’t have to talk about why she did it in the first place.

Mutual friend messaged me last night and told me that I must keep it “light.” That I mustn’t jump in with a “why did you do this to me?” and that we should all talk about neutral subjects during our coffee. But the thing is, I have been so hurt. And she’s done so much, that I feel this coffee is now designed to disregard my feelings, sweep things under the carpet and re-establish a fake friendship where nothing is ever spoken about and she gets the benefits of friendship with me again without ever having to explain her behavior.

What happened was and is a huge deal to me. At the times that I have seen her in public since she stopped speaking to me, my heart has pounded in my chest and sweat has pricked under my armpits, and I’ve thought about it for hours afterwards and gone over it with other people.

But I am also tempted by the opportunity this presents to undo the professional damage. Even if she is a total cow, who doesn’t give a toss about me, simply neutralizing things, forgetting it never happened, being friends again on social media (a big deal in our job btw) should restore things professionally for me.

WWYD?

OP posts:
Bobbins43 · 19/06/2017 17:10

I had a friend who ditched me for no reason that I knew of and it fucked me up for years and years. Even if I see her in the street now, she completely blanks me. It's taken me almost 20 years but I am finally over it (thanks counselling!)

The only resolution you will ever get is accepting it yourself. Her saying or not saying something won't make a massive difference tbh.

WarmFunKindStrong · 19/06/2017 17:10

You're being played. Please don't entertain meeting her for coffee. I cannot see a positive outcome for you in this.

I would seek legal advice to ensure that no further damage is done to your professional reputation.

category12 · 19/06/2017 17:13

I think you should swerve the meet up as gracefully as you can. Something needs to come up and then just be super-busy & vague about re-arranging. If it would be helpful to you professionally to be facebook friends, then maybe allow that, but monitor carefully what she has access to on your page = have her on restricted view.

Don't let her back into your life on any level where she can hurt you further. You're not on a path to getting closure and explanation, you're on a path to kow-tow to her and/or get fucked over.

Loopytiles · 19/06/2017 17:15

Don't do it! Your former friend treated you appallingly. Stay well away from her: she sounds like a really nasty person.

I would take a big step back from mutual friend too.

AguacateMaduro · 19/06/2017 17:17

Sorry I forget who said it but a good point made about denying her the ability to 'refresh' the validity of her gossip.

If you are able to genuinely say ''our paths haven't crossed for 6 years!" then anything she says about you will be classed as very old information. You protect yourself by denying her the opportunity to reframe old accusations around 'last week she said' etc.

Maybe she's changed, but as somebody said, if she wanted to apologise she wouldn't have a third party there. Probably safer to avoid the meeting. And don't let the mutual friend ambush you!

category12 · 19/06/2017 17:23

If you are able to genuinely say ''our paths haven't crossed for 6 years!" then anything she says about you will be classed as very old information. You protect yourself by denying her the opportunity to reframe old accusations around 'last week she said' etc.

^ That too. Don't do it. Don't go. (Don't FB friend her either, I've changed my mind about that as well.)

Loopytiles · 19/06/2017 17:24

Yes, no facebook "friendship" either. Wide berth Op!

wageslave · 19/06/2017 17:25

I agree you are being played. She wants something and you should look after yourself and not engage. If she genuinely wants to apologise then she could have sent you flowers years ago.

BigSunglasses00 · 19/06/2017 17:26

I wouldn't do it.

Even if she is a total cow, who doesn’t give a toss about me, simply neutralizing things, forgetting it never happened, being friends again on social media (a big deal in our job btw) should restore things professionally for me.

The thing is though, as soon as you do something else to upset her (which could be absolutely anything since you still don't have any idea what you did in the first place) you'll be back at square one. The six-years of distance and perseverance will have been for nothing. If she feels like she's gotten away with it (and as you said, it sounds like she really is just trying to sweep it undertake carpet without acknowledging how horribly she behaved) I don't see any reason for her not re-start this weird campaign against you again in the future.

If she wanted to meet up with you to take responsibility, explain and apologize, then maybe. But she doesn't. You won't get any of those things.

loveyoutothemoon · 19/06/2017 17:27

Don't bother!

Aquamarine1029 · 19/06/2017 17:29

There is NO WAY I would ever communicate with this woman again. She is clearly unstable and who knows what her true motives are. You can't trust her and she's proven this many times. Stay the hell away from her.

rainbowpie · 19/06/2017 17:31

Why is she acting like she is the injured party here??!!!! Keep it light? Fuck off. I wouldn't bother.

Hillfarmer · 19/06/2017 17:32

I feel for you OP. Recently my best friend withdrew her friendship, inexplicably. In that, when I asked her what was going on, she came up with entirely spurious excuses - things I couldn't even attempt to defend as I had done nothing to cause it. We'd been close for over 30 years, through thick and thin, happy and sad, kids, relationships, break ups - and she just binned it, and did it by accusing me of disloyalty.

It still hurts, but I realised quickly that I was being tried in a kangaroo court and I stopped contact because I wasn't going to let her bully me. And that's how it has stayed.

I would not go for coffee. You lose both ways. I think you will not get what you want from such a meeting. She wants to get away with it and you will almost certainly come away feeling even worse than you do now. She sounds deeply fucked up if she has gone so far to upset you. Her loss. I would not trust her at all to respect your feelings. She's shown you what she's capable of.

TheLegendOfBeans · 19/06/2017 17:33

See I'm going to voice the unpopular alternative but I'd go. Just out of curiosity and to just see how it pans out.

BUT:

  • I'd have zero intention of seeking her friendship again
  • no social media adding as friends
  • i would definitely at some point after the niceties and chit chat are over say "so there's an obvious elephant in the room here; what happened to us?

It's

  • non confrontational
  • openly phrased
  • allows her to hide behind "I don't know" and leave it there cowards way out

But accept and be ready to accept you may never know what you did.

In summary; I would go, but raise the topic and either way never see the bitch again.

EssentialHummus · 19/06/2017 17:34

No bloody way. You sound lovely OP, but you're not going to get answers out of her. And there's some way between letting a friendship cool and slandering the person professionally Confused

RedastheRose · 19/06/2017 17:36

I'm another one who thinks you shouldn't bother.

I would say, 'Sorry, I thought we were getting together to clear the air and move forward. That can't happen without a frank discussion about what happened and why so we'd be better not bothering with coffee.'

SequinsOnEverything · 19/06/2017 17:37

Do not go! As people have said, she's not sorry and it's better if you can honestly say you've had no contact with her for 6 years.

Are there posts advertised at your work that she could be interested in and doesn't want you preventing her from getting?

kittybiscuits · 19/06/2017 17:38

I would block and ignore before she inflicts more damage.

Goingtobeawesome · 19/06/2017 17:40

It's important in your job industry that you're friends on SM with this woman? Why the fuck why?

If you feel you need her to make your career go better then I'd be looking at a much bigger picture and problem.

Fontella · 19/06/2017 17:43

Why on earth would you agree to meet her? You are just setting yourself up for more hurt.

Even if you were able to reconcile the friendship or get answers to some extent, given her track record, she could easily take umbrage at you again for some perceived slight and do the same to you all over again with renewed vigour.

What she did to you is unforgivable. She set out to cause you as much damage as she possibly could. Why would you want to go anywhere near her again?

I had a friend I fell out with 15 years ago. We had been friends for over 20 years prior to that. She did something shitty but nowhere near as bad as what your so-called friend did to you. I recently heard via a third party she wanted to get back in touch and my answer was 'fuck off'.

Tell the mutual friend you can't make it after all, and then just carry on with your life as you have been doing, without her in it.

ChicRock · 19/06/2017 17:45

I can't quite decide if mutual friend is a bit of a shit stirrer, or is empathy patrolling and wants to take all of the public credit for the rekindling of your friendship.

I'd give them both a massive swerve.

ChicRock · 19/06/2017 17:49

I didn't mean empathy patrolling but you know what I mean, telling you how you should behave and feel, as if your ex-friend is the injured party here.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/06/2017 17:51

Would give the two of them a wide berth; you are being played here and they have their own agendas.

Deemail · 19/06/2017 17:56

I wouldn't go, she's a nut job and who knows what damage she will cause to you in future.
I'd also wonder what game your mutual friend is playing when she's laying down "rules" for you to abide by.

Donttouchthethings · 19/06/2017 18:05

Here's another way of looking at it: imagine there's been some kind of misunderstanding and she wants to put it right. Why say, 'Keep it light'?

I can't see this working for you in any of the scenarios I'm coming up with. (Which doesn't mean it can't, of course, I just can't think of any.)

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