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I decided to stay but I question that decision

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Headupshouldersback · 14/06/2017 23:57

I am 42 yrs old, I have been with my husband for 22 years and we have 2 children aged 12 and 14 yrs. I was blissfully happy for 7 years with my husband until one day I found pictures on our desktop (2002) of a naked woman with a dildo hanging out of her with the message "wish this was your cock" she was wearing hand cuffs ( maybe a reference to him being a policeman) and upon searching his things I found a floppy disk of photos of him naked, wanking etc, photos he had sent of himself. I was literally winded with shock. This was my amazing husband, we had a 18 month old daughter and he worshipped us. I confronted him and he apologised, said he'd never met this person, it was an online thing, nothing had happened and he was so sorry. I was so hurt but this was a first offence and for the sake of our little girl, I decided to forgive him. Then a couple of months later I came home early to find him on an internet porn chat room, chatting to someone. I flipped, I packed a bag and tried to leave, he took the keys to the car, we had a blazing row, it was really ugly, but I honestly didn't know how to leave, I had no family and I had left my job to have our daughter. We were living in a house I owned, but I had no family support or financial independence etc and I really didn't want to be a single parent, working full time with a kid in childcare. I stayed, we worked things out, he was very sorry but I didn't trust him the same and I didn't love him completely like before. Time is a healer however , we had another baby, moved house etc and on a day to day basis, we get on so great, we can talk all day and night and we have always had a great sex life. 16 months ago I discovered he had £10K of debt that he had kept hidden from me (built up over a year, made up of his poor money management and overspending when he worked away) Then 14 months ago he accidently left his mobile phone at home whilst he took our son to rugby. It pinged a fb message , from an ex girlfriend of 27 yrs ago, it was chatty but not flirty, but I felt sick to my stomach. This was the girl he left his first wife for. He was with his first wife for 5 yrs before they got married, then the day after they married he got sent away for 14 weeks training with the police as a new recruit. On this course he met this new girl (she was a waitress, training to be a nurse) on that course. They had a relationship and he ended up leaving his wife. The new girlfriend dumped him after a few months. He was devastated but moved on, met someone else and was in a relationship of 2 years when the waitress looked him up out of the blue. She had been dumped and wanted a shoulder to cry on. He dropped everything including his then girlfriend to embark on another relationship with the waitress for a year until she dumped him again (by phone on the day of her graduation - she was moving on ) and left him heartbroken. I responded to her message and introduced myself. I said I was devastated that he hadn't mentioned her contact and asked if there was anything going on, she said she had looked him up 6 mths previously and they had just been chatting as friends, she was really happy that he had such a lovely wife and family and she had a great life in south east france (despite getting recently divorced !!) and just enjoyed chatting to him. I asked her to stop contacting him, said that it made me very uncomfortable and to basically fuck off and leave my family alone. I had several blazing rows with my husband and he slept in the spare room for 2 weeks. My children were ill with stress. My son in particular was vomiting in school etc and it was pure stress.
Again I thought, he hasn't actually shagged anyone, it was an emotional affair of sorts and I was devastated. Again he was sorry and wanted to make everything right. I was ill with stress. I started running to help my mental health and boy did I look good although I never felt so miserable. My husband offered anything I wanted, I could get a smaller house for me and the kids mortgage free, he would pay us maintenance etc, he wanted to work things out, he sent a long message to the waitress explaining how he regretted his contact with her, told her how fabulous I was and how great his life had been in the years since her, because of me. He told her that she had brought him nothing but misery and he never wanted to hear from her again. I resolved to try again. In the weeks that followed he gave all his passwords etc and I found a long stream of messages between him and a female work colleague, not flirty, but frequent and I felt very uncomfortable about that. I asked her outright if they had had an affair and she was horrified, she said he was her work dad and she apologised for any offence caused and promised not to message him again. I also found an old nokia brick phone with a load of very suggestive and flirty texts from a female doctor he was working with whilst policing the olympics, he claimed that she was very flirty with everyone and that her husband came out for drinks with them in the evening and that it was innocent. I just thought 'here's another one'. I told 2 close friends, One told me to go home, make love, claim your husband, he's yours. The other said let the bastard pay the mortgage, enjoy your life for 5 years looking after the kids,not working etc then leave the bastard. Over a year on, on a daily basis it's fine, but he works away a lot and I feel really uncomfortable about that. When he's at home and on his phone etc I feel really uncomfortable. 2 months ago I found out that he had posted naked pictures of me on a porn site. I felt sick. He explained that sometimes when he is down he goes on porn websites and looks at the readers wives section and this particular time he had posted pictures of me (you couldn't tell it was me) but I felt this was an abuse of trust. I told him i'd had enough. It was over and I had the house valued etc. But I cannot bring myself to end it. I have no solid proof of a physical affair but I don't trust him anymore. He is a great dad to the kids and we have a lovely home and lifestyle etc but I am so alone. He is the only family I have ever known and I have been with him all my adult life. I look in the mirror and I am ashamed of the fact that I accept this situation. I fear for the pain that a separation will cause my children. I am 12 years younger than my husband, I am attractive and I have been a great wife and frankly I do not deserve this. What do you advise??

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notknownatthisaddress · 15/06/2017 00:00

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C0RAL · 15/06/2017 00:03

I'm sorry for what you are I have been through, it's a long and sorry story .

I advise you to go for couselling by yourself, to work out what you what you want to do. Theres no point in my saying " most women wouldn't put up with that " or " he will never be faithful to you " because I think you know that already.

CondensedMilkSarnies · 15/06/2017 00:04

Leave him .

SandyY2K · 15/06/2017 00:05

You've put up with and forgiven quite a lot.

I think maybe a separation to see how you feel would be a good idea. You need space from him to gather your thoughts and think things through.

Your husband has poor boundaries and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

The posting pictures of you is disrespectful and unacceptable to even if you can't be identified.

That's a massive breach of trust.

Cricrichan · 15/06/2017 00:08

Well I can read that no problem.

Op. You can't trust that man. Everytime your back is turned he's up to no good. Leave him whilst you're still young to easily rebuild a new life. You deserve to be with someone you can trust. You can't live and enjoy being with this man because he can't be honest and searches out titillation constantly.

FairytaleOfSkegness · 15/06/2017 00:09

Posting pictures of you without your consent is dispicable, for that alone I'd leave him. The other stuff just adds more fuel to the fire

Flowers because it can be very hard to walk away even if you know it's for the best

robinia · 15/06/2017 00:12

Easily readable. No problem at all.

I don't suppose he will ever be cured of forming what are at the least, emptional attachments. Can you live with that? Does what he bring to the relationship and the family outweigh the loss of trust that his infidelity (on whatever level it is) causes?
Could you make a better or equal life for you and your dc if you left?

Counselling may help you to find your own way through this. Counselling for your dh may help too.

AndNoneForGretchenWieners · 15/06/2017 00:12

The online behaviour would trouble me, but I would definitely feel betrayed by the uploading of photos of me. That shows a lack of respect and the trust would be gone.

Lunagirl · 15/06/2017 00:17

OP, I'm so sorry you've wasted so much time on a pig of a husband. I'm only in my early 30s with two small children and at the beginning of the year I ended it with their father after five years of his bullshit. I would have left much sooner but partly I was scared for my children's safety when stay with him (he's just oblivious to dangers) and partly, mostly because I was scared. 6 months down the line he is still living with us (refusing to leave until he finds somewhere) but it has been over since January. We live separate lives. I look back already and ask myself how I tolerated being treated so appallingly.

You and your children deserve so much more. Just because you have no concrete proof of actual sequel affairs really doesn't mean he hasn't committed them. What you have actually uncovered is in itself more than enough reason to get rid of the cheating scumbag. The posting a naked picture of you... Well tbh I don't know how you've not gone crazy over that one.
Please don't waste more of your life. Good luck. Flowers

SweetLuck · 15/06/2017 00:18

notknownatthisaddress why on earth would you write such a wanky post?

OP... LTB

LurpakIstheOnlyButter · 15/06/2017 00:21

if a man treated your daughter in the same way - what would you advise?

Whatever you would say to someone else in the same situation who is precious....there's your answer

ScarlettFreestone · 15/06/2017 00:24

I suppose what you do about this depends where your personal lines in the sand are.

Mine would have been crossed sometime back but that's me, not you.

What would he have to do to make you end it? I think that's something you genuinely need to sit down and think about.

Does he actually need to have had a fully physical affair? Because honestly, on the basis of what you've written here I don't know how you can trust that he hasn't already done that.

The first thing I would do in your position would be to get myself a job. Some of your decisions are being driven by being financially trapped. Make moves to change that now.

For the rest, you say he's great Dad. He may be Day to day but he's not a good role model, he's not showing them honesty or integrity or modelling a good relationship.

This isn't you. He's treated every woman he's been involved with shoddily.

It's telling that you seek honesty from the women he's in contact with - you know you can't get it from him.

I'm very, very sorry. Flowers

ScarlettFreestone · 15/06/2017 00:26

And notknown what an unfeeling and inappropriate post. I'm quite embarrassed on your behalf.

It was perfectly clear but even if it hadn't been, just move on to another thread.

RedastheRose · 15/06/2017 00:50

Get some counselling for yourself. He is never going to change 'sorry' is just a word to him it means nothing and he has shown you time and again that he will keep doing whatever he wants. You have no proof of anything physical but it's unlikely that he's never done anything because he has no boundaries which was proved by his appalling breach of trust in posting your photos on a porn website for other men to wank over. It is a disgusting way to behave towards anyone let alone your wife and the mother of your children. Also isn't it now a criminal offence to post intimate photos without consent. Get counselling and unless you want to spend the rest of your life unhappy and wondering what he is doing LTB.

thestamp · 15/06/2017 02:13

Oh love. Everything he's done is really awful. But the posting pics of you? That is an actual crime.

I don't think you can carry on like this. Can you?

bumblebee61 · 15/06/2017 03:40

Absolutely despicable behaviour. I don't know how you can bear to be in the same house with him. You sound really demoralised. I would agree, get some counselling to help you get some clarity and build some confidence and leave as soon as you are able . Don't look back.

KungFuPandaWorksOut16 · 15/06/2017 07:37

You're scared of the unknown. In my opinion the unknown is better than what you know.

You can't live your life constantly wondering what he's doing, wondering who he has messaged now and how he met them.

You took a lot of shit over the years, and I can't believe you haven't ran for the hills from any of it. Especially him posting your photo. What exactly does he have to do for you too leave?

He's probably so happy that he can do what he wants and know you are waiting at home for him.

Penfold007 · 15/06/2017 07:39

Sadly your entire relationship has been blighted by these events, don't for one minute believe he hasn't had physical affairs. I imagine he is coming up to the end of his service so due to get his lump sum and pension. I would suggest you get legal advice, there are a couple of firms of solicitors who are experts on police pensions and divorce etc. If divorce is the way forward you might want to consider taking the posting naked images of you matter forward. Professional Standards would be very interested.

ptumbi · 15/06/2017 07:46

OP - I would bet my house he's had affairs. He's had the opportunity, he definitely has the mind-set.

Flirty texts? 'Led astray by ex fg'? (Twice?) Porn? POSTING NAKED PIX OF YOU???

I'd have left a long time ago.

Get support for your dc. But show them how to treat women - properly.

Leave him. He is vile and has zero respect for you.

notknown - I feel a bit sorry for you too. Do you have problems reading books? Angry

DirtyChaiLatte · 15/06/2017 08:02

That's a very very long list of transgressions on his part and he clearly doesn't mean his apologies each time he does something wrong.

He's proven over the years that he can't and won't change for you. Is this the sort of person and the kind of relationship you want for the rest of your life?

Value your life and your self worth more. You deserve better than this. You know you do.

Ceebs85 · 15/06/2017 08:13

Much of what you have said right back to the first betrayal would have been enough for me to seriously question the relationship and seriously consider leaving.

You have put up with SO much and I wonder why you've done that. The situation made your children ill and yet you still chose to stay, I would question what it is about you that makes you stay in such a damaging relationship and perhaps seek some counselling for yourself. Relate do offer 1:1 therapy for this sort of purpose so it may be worth looking into.

Your post reads as such a sad time being treated so awfully by this man. I think it's time to make some tough decisions for your self and the future you want.

P.S. Report your police man husband for the naked photo. That's absolutely disgusting and he needs to be punished!

rumred · 15/06/2017 08:29

What a horrible person your h island certainly not a good father, you mentioned child sick with stress. That is his fault.
He's a philanderer. And he keeps on doing it because hr wants to and he. Loves himself way more than you and his kids
Get some counselling quick. One life and it's short, too short to waste on such a disrespectful selfish wanker

Headupshouldersback · 15/06/2017 08:41

This really made me laugh, thank you.
I was a bit pissed, alone and feeling sorry for myself.
I had never posted on here before and I just typed and typed, without reading it back and posted.
Paragraphs ARE my new best friend, noted.

OP posts:
Headupshouldersback · 15/06/2017 08:58

Thank you so much to everyone who has taken the time to reply.
The reason I am still in the relationship is because I am too scared to leave. I am fearful of the upset it will cause my children.
The stress they experienced before was at the prospect of us separating, not the way we were living.
The trouble is I have been with him my entire adult life, I have never been single and I am petrified of going it alone.
I see a future with a much lower standard of living for me and my kids, one where I am working full time where I will not be there for my kids when they need me. Where I have to see my kids go to him at the weekends with whatever woman he shacks up with (it wouldn't take long) and if I meet someone, he'll have his kids at the weekend and life just gets much more complicated.
However, I would be able to look at myself in the mirror without feeling so bloody disappointed with myself.
I know I need counselling and I know I need to end this relationship.
I need to be brave and put myself first.
Thanks so much for the support, I have been carrying this around like a tonne weight and today I can see things a little clearer.

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TatianaLarina · 15/06/2017 09:02

If he's a policeman then he knows posting sexual images without your consent is an offence, max sentence 2 years.

TBH OP, I don't believe that none of these shenanigans have been physical. You say he overspends when he works away, well women maybe partly what he's spent his money on.

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