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I decided to stay but I question that decision

57 replies

Headupshouldersback · 14/06/2017 23:57

I am 42 yrs old, I have been with my husband for 22 years and we have 2 children aged 12 and 14 yrs. I was blissfully happy for 7 years with my husband until one day I found pictures on our desktop (2002) of a naked woman with a dildo hanging out of her with the message "wish this was your cock" she was wearing hand cuffs ( maybe a reference to him being a policeman) and upon searching his things I found a floppy disk of photos of him naked, wanking etc, photos he had sent of himself. I was literally winded with shock. This was my amazing husband, we had a 18 month old daughter and he worshipped us. I confronted him and he apologised, said he'd never met this person, it was an online thing, nothing had happened and he was so sorry. I was so hurt but this was a first offence and for the sake of our little girl, I decided to forgive him. Then a couple of months later I came home early to find him on an internet porn chat room, chatting to someone. I flipped, I packed a bag and tried to leave, he took the keys to the car, we had a blazing row, it was really ugly, but I honestly didn't know how to leave, I had no family and I had left my job to have our daughter. We were living in a house I owned, but I had no family support or financial independence etc and I really didn't want to be a single parent, working full time with a kid in childcare. I stayed, we worked things out, he was very sorry but I didn't trust him the same and I didn't love him completely like before. Time is a healer however , we had another baby, moved house etc and on a day to day basis, we get on so great, we can talk all day and night and we have always had a great sex life. 16 months ago I discovered he had £10K of debt that he had kept hidden from me (built up over a year, made up of his poor money management and overspending when he worked away) Then 14 months ago he accidently left his mobile phone at home whilst he took our son to rugby. It pinged a fb message , from an ex girlfriend of 27 yrs ago, it was chatty but not flirty, but I felt sick to my stomach. This was the girl he left his first wife for. He was with his first wife for 5 yrs before they got married, then the day after they married he got sent away for 14 weeks training with the police as a new recruit. On this course he met this new girl (she was a waitress, training to be a nurse) on that course. They had a relationship and he ended up leaving his wife. The new girlfriend dumped him after a few months. He was devastated but moved on, met someone else and was in a relationship of 2 years when the waitress looked him up out of the blue. She had been dumped and wanted a shoulder to cry on. He dropped everything including his then girlfriend to embark on another relationship with the waitress for a year until she dumped him again (by phone on the day of her graduation - she was moving on ) and left him heartbroken. I responded to her message and introduced myself. I said I was devastated that he hadn't mentioned her contact and asked if there was anything going on, she said she had looked him up 6 mths previously and they had just been chatting as friends, she was really happy that he had such a lovely wife and family and she had a great life in south east france (despite getting recently divorced !!) and just enjoyed chatting to him. I asked her to stop contacting him, said that it made me very uncomfortable and to basically fuck off and leave my family alone. I had several blazing rows with my husband and he slept in the spare room for 2 weeks. My children were ill with stress. My son in particular was vomiting in school etc and it was pure stress.
Again I thought, he hasn't actually shagged anyone, it was an emotional affair of sorts and I was devastated. Again he was sorry and wanted to make everything right. I was ill with stress. I started running to help my mental health and boy did I look good although I never felt so miserable. My husband offered anything I wanted, I could get a smaller house for me and the kids mortgage free, he would pay us maintenance etc, he wanted to work things out, he sent a long message to the waitress explaining how he regretted his contact with her, told her how fabulous I was and how great his life had been in the years since her, because of me. He told her that she had brought him nothing but misery and he never wanted to hear from her again. I resolved to try again. In the weeks that followed he gave all his passwords etc and I found a long stream of messages between him and a female work colleague, not flirty, but frequent and I felt very uncomfortable about that. I asked her outright if they had had an affair and she was horrified, she said he was her work dad and she apologised for any offence caused and promised not to message him again. I also found an old nokia brick phone with a load of very suggestive and flirty texts from a female doctor he was working with whilst policing the olympics, he claimed that she was very flirty with everyone and that her husband came out for drinks with them in the evening and that it was innocent. I just thought 'here's another one'. I told 2 close friends, One told me to go home, make love, claim your husband, he's yours. The other said let the bastard pay the mortgage, enjoy your life for 5 years looking after the kids,not working etc then leave the bastard. Over a year on, on a daily basis it's fine, but he works away a lot and I feel really uncomfortable about that. When he's at home and on his phone etc I feel really uncomfortable. 2 months ago I found out that he had posted naked pictures of me on a porn site. I felt sick. He explained that sometimes when he is down he goes on porn websites and looks at the readers wives section and this particular time he had posted pictures of me (you couldn't tell it was me) but I felt this was an abuse of trust. I told him i'd had enough. It was over and I had the house valued etc. But I cannot bring myself to end it. I have no solid proof of a physical affair but I don't trust him anymore. He is a great dad to the kids and we have a lovely home and lifestyle etc but I am so alone. He is the only family I have ever known and I have been with him all my adult life. I look in the mirror and I am ashamed of the fact that I accept this situation. I fear for the pain that a separation will cause my children. I am 12 years younger than my husband, I am attractive and I have been a great wife and frankly I do not deserve this. What do you advise??

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ravenmum · 15/06/2017 09:04

You're scared of the unknown - but you don't know from one moment to the next what stupid, nasty thing your husband is going to do.

Get an STD check. He's shagging other women. Get angry and get help.

PaintingByNumbers · 15/06/2017 09:15

if you get legal advice you can work out when best to leave him. i'd be thinking about his pension tbh. given half a chance he will spend it but if he has to half it with you, you will be okay for money. also, your kids can then inherit it, as he might piss his half away on women and whatever else he is spending it on.
solicitor advice needed

Penfold007 · 15/06/2017 09:18

Just sent you a PM

EivissaSenorita · 15/06/2017 09:23

Notknown what an arsehole hope you feel like a twat

Xanadu44 · 15/06/2017 09:23

@notknownatthisaddress fuck off.

OP this is awful. As someone above mentioned, he's a policeman, he knows posting photos of you online is an offence. He sounds like he has a problem and if I'm honest I don't really think it should be your problem any more. You don't seem happy. You are just living in this horrible situation just waiting for his next fuck up. Make arrangements to split up. You'll be a LOT happier and you deserve to be a lot happier. You sound like you've given your all and it seems that you need to give that to yourself and your kids rather than this selfish waste of space. If he's willing to do all of this to you when he's at home I dread to think what he gets up to while he's working away. I know it's going to be hard but you've got the rest of your life to live. Don't live it being miserable with him. Good luckFlowers

limeaid · 15/06/2017 09:26

Gosh....I feel for you so much.
Stand back and look at the options here. You carry on. Trust is gone and you are forever going to be on edge, wondering what he's doing, who he's talking to etc. You said you were ill with stress, well, you are currently on a " slow release " dose of stress by staying with him and it's going to have its consequences.

Mentally I would think every nerve is tingling with " what's he doing now?" This has a massive chance of turning into bitterness and resentment towards him and your situation. Maybe you will end up having an affair to
A. Get back at him
B. To feel loved and desired
But that's no way to live.

You like your standard of living......really? You mean you like " things " like nice home, maybe nice car, holidays, clothes......these are things, things that can be replaced. Sanity is a little harder to replace as is confidence, self respect and trust.

All my words are typed/said with a monumental amount of shitty experience. There is life beyond these men, and it's not so bad. X

Cheesetriangle05 · 15/06/2017 10:36

I read your post all the way through and could perhaps understand in some ways why you're still with him. Then, I got to the bit about him posting naked pics of you on porn sites. This is disgusting. So disrespectful and a complete abuse of trust. I'd be mortified. He's got a problem. He's a liar and a cheat and behaves like a sexual predator in my opinion. He will never ever change. Years of this type of behaviour has proved this to you.

Headupshouldersback · 15/06/2017 10:55

Yes I really had a problem with the photos. That's when I sat him down and said I couldn't go on. The photos were holiday snaps where we had a completely private rooftop terrace and we would sunbathe naked. I was admiring the view (as it seems so was he) and he took some photos which he posted with the caption 'wife unaware'. I felt utterly sick and said the caption represented the status of our relationship perfectly!!! Since the talk though I've done nothing about it and he's quite happy for things to carry on.

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Paperdoll16 · 15/06/2017 10:57

Goodness, I don't think I've seen so much betrayal and you still seem to justify it as you have no evidence of a physical affair.

I very much doubt everything you have found is everything he has been up to. And if you've found that level of deceit then I hate to think of the full extent.

I understand that you wouldn't want to leave (because of the unknown, standards of, I presume financial, living and having to work and thus not being at home for your children) yet you describe your DS vomiting at school and showing signs of physical stress from living in this situation. I'm pretty sure from his perspective he would rather a happy mum and dad over a house of tension. The reasons you listed were about you (not wanting to see them with OW and you having potential DSC etc.) but in the grand scheme of things this man is treating you all so appallingly that I don't think it can get much worse, especially if it affects your DC as well as you.

Where is his integrity considering his role?

Honestly, I couldn't live knowing my DH was continuing over and over and over to betray me by having little secret relationships with women behind my back. You are worth more than that. Let him go and behave like that if that's what's important to him.

I don't think him saying sorry means anything. At all. He knows you won't leave him and he won't stop anytime soon. He'll just think in his mind that you'll rant and then move on..

ravenmum · 15/06/2017 11:15

My son would get headaches and be sent home from school.
You're trying to tell yourself that your son was only stressed because you were arguing, not because of your husband's actions - telling yourself that as long as you keep quiet about it and plaster a smile on your face then your son will not be stressed. But you will not be able to have a happy, carefree relationship with your husband. It might be something a bit like that, but it won't be that. There will always be a level of stress as long as things are being swept under the carpet.

We broke up - my "good guy" husband wasn't just chatting, he was shagging in seedy hotels, going on holiday with her, slagging me off - and basically from the moment he left the air was cleared. My son has had counselling, and is doing a lot better in school. I'll be poorer, but the relief is huge.

Brahms3rdracket · 15/06/2017 11:22

What a fucking creep. It's no wonder you're unable to trust him, he's a serial cheater throughout your entire relationship. I understand your fear of separating, but you really need to get away from him, he's damaging to you and your kids. No good father makes their own child sick with stress because he can't think with his brain rather than his penis.

Headupshouldersback · 15/06/2017 11:33

Ravenmum thanks for sharing and I'm sorry that you went through all that. Everyone loves my husband, he's really chatty and charismatic and has a rep of being such a lovely, decent guy (probably what attracts the ladies!)
I'm really embarrassed about the truth of the situation. I still really enjoy his company, he has always made me laugh and we have always been viewed as a lovely, happy family. It's hard to walk away but this can't continue. I am waiting for his next fuck up basically. I think the stuff I've discovered is just the tip of the iceberg. This is what I do know? What don't I know?

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ravenmum · 15/06/2017 11:39

I didn't (want to) think he could be quite such a shit, but I was wrong; he could be. He was already looking for a flat - but taking his time and still making out that he was the poor innocent victim, and blatantly having an affair I couldn't prove. I found his email password and just couldn't resist having a look to see if it was the same after 15 years ... he moved out pretty fast after that. Hacking someone's account is obviously also not a good thing, but I can really understand where you are coming from, wanting actual proof. Looking back, though, I also let it go on for far too long.

Xanadu44 · 15/06/2017 11:45

Once you do split up you'll be surprised at the stories that come out about him. He'll have come on to friends of yours, other friends will confess they've always hated him etc etc. Honestly. People who do things like he has don't always get away scot-free. I'm not normally as vocal as this but honestly I really think you should divorce. Your sanity will be restored and your kids will be happier once it all calms down.

Changedname3456 · 15/06/2017 11:53

He's treated you very poorly. If you stay with him that will continue.

So the question that needs to be resolved is could you carry on in a sham of a marriage with this guy, knowing you'll end up being humiliated every few weeks / months as you find new evidence?

He's not a decent guy. If nothing else had occurred, the "wife unaware" pics alone would be enough reason to call it a day.

PinkPeppers · 15/06/2017 12:08

It's not because he hasn't had any affair (that yiu can prove wo a doiung) that you can't leave him.
The are plenty of other reasons to leave a marriage. And a husband , a policeme at that!, that thinks it's ok to post naked picture of someone wo their doesnt is enough in my books.

He has been destroying your trusts again and again. I think that's enough tbh.
Now, are you working atm and are you financially independent (enough) to just kick him out?

PinkPeppers · 15/06/2017 12:11

Btw the stress the dcs have experinced before isnt abut the fear of yu getting divorced. it was just the reflection on the juge stress YOU were under.
DONT mix those ups. Your dcs will be happ[ier to love with a mum who isn't constantly second guessing and worrying that her dh is starting again or is breaking her trust again.

RedastheRose · 15/06/2017 20:56

He is probably a narcissist. Read up about the red flags. Bet you can tick off a lot.

He won't change, he will always put himself first. Like your h my stbxh was very good at pretending we were a perfect family while all the time treating me appallingly. The gaslighting, silent treatment, emotional abuse it was awful and I was complicit as I had been indoctrinated by him into believing that I was the one to blame. Any argument was twisted round so that I ended up defending myself from what ever he had turned the argument into.

Like you I had been with him the whole of my adult life but things are much better without him.

Also it would have been much better for our children for us to have split up long ago. They suffered as ours wasn't a happy house because at home he didn't have to pretend to be nice and everyone walked on eggshells around him trying not to upset him.

hickorydickorynurseryrhyme · 15/06/2017 21:06

And this man is a policeman jeez! I'm sorry but you should have left him a long time ago. It's not too late though. Do it. You deserve better and to be happy. Your children will adjust.

Underthemoonlight · 15/06/2017 21:13

TBH I don't know why your surprised by his behaviour after he treated his first wife appaulling, it sounds as if hes never changed. Listen to your instincts

Headupshouldersback · 15/06/2017 21:23

Thanks everyone.
Redastherose that sounded awful and I'm so glad you're coming out the other side of it now.
We do not have a tense or unhappy home though, that's why it's so difficult.
He is the model husband at home and a lovely dad, I just keep discovering all this awful shit he gets up to secretly!!!
He has always accepted responsibility for his actions and begged forgiveness, promising never to do it again etc
But I've realised now, this cannot continue.
I need to grow a rather enormous pair of balls and sort my life out !

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rumred · 15/06/2017 21:38

The last thing you need is balls. You need to find your self respect

AnyFucker · 15/06/2017 21:51

I stopped counting after about the 4th example of deal breaking behaviour by your husband

He has worked away you say ?

You are very naive if you believe the sexual incontinence you already know about has not translated to real life physical encounters. That money he overspent is very likely to have been on fulfilling fantasies of his, probably with prostitutes

Stay if you wish, but know one thing. He will never stop.

keepingonrunning · 15/06/2017 22:38

You know what you need to do.

You CAN do it, small steps.

Before you tell him it's over
Step 1. Take copies of all financial documents and store them at a trusted friend's.
Step 2. See a solicitor
Step 3. Book a counsellor

When you eventually make the break you will feel a weight has been lifted.

MypupDolly · 15/06/2017 23:07

Leave him, it will be hard at first but you will feel so much better after time.

If you really feel you cannot do that, then find your happiness elsewhere, play him at his own game, some won't agree with this but go out and have fun, life is to short. Stay in the relationship, he can pay the bills carry on with your lovely lifestyle but just meet other men. If you feel you couldn't do that, then I think you'd have to try to forgive and forget or try to trust which I think would be impossible.