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Dh cannot see his spending is wrong - part rant needed, part help

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Genericwobbler · 12/04/2017 21:11

NC'd because I don't want this attached to my usual name. But CANCEL THE CHEQUE! Purple house. Cockwomble etc. I'm sorry this is super long.

Trying not to drip feed. I work ft and dh is sahp after taking redundancy a few years back. I was pt but could go ft so that was a mutual decision that he would take over the dc school runs.

Recently I had a brilliant promotion, very stressful at times but I love my job. I'm happy as I never thought we would be in a position to earn enough to receive no benefits, but it's basically just that any benefit we had previously (housing benefit, child tax cred, working tax cred) is just made up now by my wages and a couple of hundred extra a month. So we're not amazingly better off, but could be comfortable.

Normally I used to get paid, work out what bills were coming out of who's account and make sure each of us had enough in there to cover them, then split what was left equally, with a bit extra in mine as I'd do the shopping at the weekends. The split money wasn't to spend as we pleased as such, more that if one of us was out and realised we needed something, we'd be able to get it. Sometimes he'd run out and I'd have to transfer more to him and he'd say I was "drip feeding him" which pissed me off because he has the online banking codes to both accounts but NEVER logs on, he's probably even lost them. It makes me feel like the overlord or something, which is so far from it. And I don't give a shit about money, so long as we have what we need.

Well the last couple of months have been hard. We've had extra bills to pay, and will do for probably about a year, plus a mix up with my new pension amount starting means we're about 116 a month down there as well. Last month I had to borrow £30 from my wonderful dm, so I decided this month we should try something new. So he could see his spending is what's leaving us short. Because it is. Honestly, I feel like I'd be rather well off without him right now, which isn't nice.

I suggested he start looking for a job again as he's said he wants to go back to work for ages now, and I even found his cv on the computer for him! A friend of his sent him some link about a job as well, but I don't think he even looked at it despite him telling me about it. He thought I was bu because "I never tried to make you get a job when you weren't working and I was". Well, the dc were smaller then but as soon as I found something part time that worked around school times I took it, because I wanted to, so it's completely different! Plus, we NEED the money now, due to his spending.

So I worked out we would have £110 a week after bills and money for shopping. So I took it out and put it in envelopes so we could see in cash what we had and every time it would be a physical reminder of how much was there. Well it's flopped, greatly. He was all for it. But it's flopped. What he spends money on is seeing his friends, mostly on one night a week crazily, since becoming short of money he's thought nothing of going out more, not less. Since payday 12 days ago he's spent £18 on a gift (alcohol) and card for friend's birthday, £20 to celebrate with another as he was moving away, £20 as a "reward" to himself after some gardening, £10 on his "usual" day out because I said we had no money for it, £40 on another friend's birthday... then today. He wanted to spend some money getting lunch supplies for dc but didn't see why it should come out of our week money (it should have) so I relented, whatever, take it out of the bank. I didn't take child benefit into account when budgeting so we'd have a "buffer".

He took out 20, spent half, so this evening we had 26 from our week money and 10 from the bank. He got an offer of a free evening out and wanted to go, so I was waiting for him to start about money, dreading it really. So he asks if I need one pound, can he take it to get a can if drink while he walks. That makes me feel shitty, so I say why don't you just take the tenner because you're making me feel like an arsehole, asking if I mind if you take a fucking pound!

So he says oh, well why don't I just take the money for my regular night out instead and do it tonight?

I gave up. I should've said no but instead I just didn't really say anything, and he was so set on it he didn't seem to notice. So he took £25...of the £35. How can he not see that's just wrong? Or why doesn't he care? I don't go out myself, don't spend much money on myself at all (and nothing last month or this month so far). He actually asked me if I might "borrow" sone money from work. I'm ashamed to say I almost considered it but I'm not risking my job because he's a twat. He doesn't HAVE to get a job, only if he wants to continue spending like this, all our bills are paid, anything he earned would be extra, or savings...god I'd love to have savings. He's always going on about his mates have this money or that money, they're going on holiday - well they've got jobs or gfs they claim not to live with so have extra benefits or live with parents and no rent!

Hese always been unreliable with money but it's gotten worse. On the days we were really skint last month I honestly just wondered why the fuck I bother.

Why the fuck do I bother?

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expatinscotland · 13/04/2017 12:31

FFS, he's still abusing you.

HecateAntaia · 13/04/2017 12:36

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user1490817136 · 13/04/2017 12:50

I don't want to bombard you OP but as others have said , please stop feeling sorry for him and taking responsibility for his behaviour. The classic abusers' tale is normally along the lines of "mummy/daddy didn't love me enough" , and to be honest I've got no time for that because having a bad past doesn't mean you get to treat others like muck as an adult!

If a friend told you their partner behaved like yours would you be making excuses , or be horrified and think they deserve better?

expatinscotland · 13/04/2017 13:03

'He had an utterly horrible childhood and teens and a stable family to love and love him is all he ever wanted. '

He's got a peculiar way of showing it. He's not a 'SAHP', he doesn't do enough parenting for that. He's a cocklodger.

Pallisers · 13/04/2017 14:29

Like others have said he is still abusing you. Doesn't really matter about his childhood - it is an explanation not an excuse. And even if it is an excuse it doesn't make his behaviour any more acceptable to live with.

What will life be like for you when your children are grown up (in about 6 years time that is)? You will be working, continuing in your career, and still funding a permanent teenager at home - for the rest of your life. Is that really what you want?

What on earth do your children, especially the older one, make of your dynamic?

NearlyFree17 · 13/04/2017 15:21

OP I hope you are ok. People have offered good advice but it is a lot to take in. It may take a while for you to get your head around the fact that your DH's behaviour is abuse. Have you got RL support who you can talk to about this? You need a network of people who have your back, as your husband clearly doesn't.

MycatsaPirate · 13/04/2017 15:40

The more I read the more I want to scream at you to just throw him out.

He's using emotional blackmail to make you feel sorry for him and make you stay with him. While at the same time, taking you for an utter mug.

I had a fucking awful childhood, many people do. It doesn't make us emotionally and financially abusive as adults though.

It's not enough to feel sorry for him. It's not enough that he's had a shit time as a kid. He's an adult with kids of his own that he can't even put before himself.

Butterymuffin · 13/04/2017 16:14

If it helps, he's not only taking from you, he's taking from your kids. That's how much he values the loving family that's 'all he's ever wanted'. He'd see you all go short to fund his nights out, when for almost all parents they would always give something up themselves to see their DC had enough.

Trills · 13/04/2017 19:22

It doesn't actually matter to you and your children whether his bad behaviour is due to a poor upbringing or just being lazy and selfish.

The impact on you and your children is the same, because the behaviour is the same, no matter what the origin.

CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 13/04/2017 19:38

He had an utterly horrible childhood and teens and a stable family to love and love him is all he ever wanted

i can hear violins

i had a shitty, abusive childhood, abandoned by family, no one to turn to etc .....yet i've been working and paying my own way in life since i was 16 yrs old.

An abusive childhood is NO excuse for being an abusive adult!

You sound like you have Stockholm syndrome, OP.

DistanceCall · 13/04/2017 20:00

You pity him. That's not a basis for a relationship. And your children are learning a terrible model for their future relationships.

There is nothing preventing him now from stepping up and being a good father and a good partner. He chooses not to, every single day. Do not pity him - he has a choice.

DistanceCall · 13/04/2017 20:09

And I should add, your children don't. And they don't deserve this.

ohfourfoxache · 13/04/2017 21:53

I'm so sorry op but this is abuse- pure and simple Sad

B0xingDay17 · 14/04/2017 00:31

If you are not happy things need to change

You need to come up with a plan

Can he "work from home" doing something ?

Cricrichan · 15/04/2017 11:05

He's not a sahp. He's a babysitter. And actually your children don't need babysitting the age they are. You do everything and he's a weird lazy, abusive lump.

Leave him and let him fend for himself. He'll be fine.

Isetan · 16/04/2017 09:14

Feeling sorry for him hasn't changed him, what you've actually done is enabled an entitled man, to behave more entitled. You are a contributor to your relationship dynamic and as awful (and he's diabolical) as his behaviour is, he couldn't have acted this way towards you without your permission.

He is who he is, a loving wife and family didn't 'fix' him. If you want the status quo to change, you can't keep expecting the person benefiting from it, to make the changes.

It's time to stop hiding in this miserable relationship and to start asking yourself what you want. To paraphrase Michael Jackson, it's time to start with the woman in the mirror and to start asking her to change her ways.

Change starts with you and not the other person.

kittybiscuits · 16/04/2017 10:49

Just because he does sod all, does not mean he could not claim to be the primary carer to the children and keep the marital home, claim maintenance and possibly spousal maintenance. And from what you have said he is severely lacking in conscience and would do all of the above.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 16/04/2017 17:00

You really need to get to a solicitor.

SleepingTiger · 16/04/2017 18:09

Right from your opening post I was shocked at how low you were prepared to set your standards. How little you were prepared to go out and grab this world,

Still am but it's one sided for you.

Genericwobbler · 19/04/2017 16:50

I haven't disappeared...I know what everyone has said is true. I know it is. Basically, all of it. But it was hard to hear (see) that strangers on the internet see it the same way I desperately don't want to and hoped I was wrong about despite knowing if I saw it written by someone else I'd have said the same.

*Isetan

Feeling sorry for him hasn't changed him, what you've actually done is enabled an entitled man, to behave more entitled. You are a contributor to your relationship dynamic and as awful (and he's diabolical) as his behaviour is, he couldn't have acted this way towards you without your permission.*
Completely true. I have enabled it, I know I have. I enabled it for a long time because I was weak(er). We've been together since I was 16, I had no idea how the world really worked and although I knew it wasn't right I thought people just got on with it I suppose. My parents did find out most of it at one point, they were horrified and said they'd always have supported me and I should have told them about the abuse. My mum cried when she realised the one time I did come to them and begged to stay was because he'd done something and my dad had sent me away because he didn't know the extent and thought nothing was going to get resolved if I wasn't at home. I'd been too ashamed to explain. I don't know deep down if I'll ever forgive him for that, but we do get along fine otherwise.

My ds does notice the lack of things dh does. He feels sorry for me, I can see it. Like if he thinks I'm annoyed the washing up hasn't been done (again) or something like that, he gives me the head tilt and a hug. He doesn't know about the money side, I've never been over-gifting with them because I wasn't brought up like that.

I know I'm dragging my heals when the answer seems obvious, but I am determined, I know this isn't right. I just feel like I need to give it a chance now I've "realised". So for instance, the money was divided this week, he's spent "his" (by yesterday), that's it. I've no doubt the quest for more will be tonight or tomorrow so when it comes the answer is no. His reaction will decide the rest. If he's "proper" about it, next week will be a bit tighter as he can't have half to himself, that's not fair. And if his reaction isn't proper (has a strop, wants it anyway, etc) it will be ultimatum time. Change, stop it, sort it out, or go.

I think that's the only way I can do it.
Thank you all Flowers

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Genericwobbler · 19/04/2017 16:51

Isetan I was trying to bolden your words, not sure why that didn't work.

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Genericwobbler · 19/04/2017 16:57

Oh and User1490817316 the tenancy is in my name. It was meant to be joint but the HA refused as joint tenancies are too much trouble. I said I didn't mind who's name it was in but they put mine on it, their choice. All the bills are in my name or joint, the child benefit is in mine also as I was the sahp at the time and never changed it.

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user1490817136 · 19/04/2017 17:35

OP , I'm so glad the tenancy is in your name. So in summary, the house is "yours" and you have a source of income. Now you just need to know your rights regarding children and access. That's the only issue remaining here.

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