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What Men Want (A bit about...)

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SuffolkGent01 · 11/04/2017 10:07

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends, and I am writing this for those women who appreciate a bit of honesty about what men want - and yes, most of this does relate to sex. For those women who are open to hearing that, then I hope you find this helpful. For those ardent feminists, or man-hating Mumsnet guardians, who think this is a major human rights violation of some kind, then... sorry. (More on that below.).

Inevitably what I write will be generalisation, but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage, having been around a bit, with a lot of male friends and colleagues also, and some experience counselling, I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men. And If I say things about women, again it's a generalisation, so take it for what it is.

  1. Sex. Yes, married men would want sex much more regularly on the whole than they get (really, in my view, twice a week is pretty much the acceptable minimum for a couple under 60). But what truly depresses most married men, far more than the lack of regularity of sex, is actually that their wives simply show no interest in sex itself.

Any husband would take a woman who was sensual and enthusiastic and made a positive effort once every two weeks, then a woman who reluctantly rolls over to have missionary duty-sex once or twice a week. There is nothing more depressing, transparent, un-erotic and life-sapping than a woman doing duty-sex, and yet that is what almost all married men have to live with. What makes it worse, of course, is that this is not who most men dated or married to begin with, when so many women put on the show of being energetic sex bunnies.

But a woman who makes an effort, who does something unexpected, is a gem. So, ask yourself when you last actually thought about doing something new or different in the bedroom, when you last buy a sexy outfit or a toy, when did you last instigate a sexual act outside the bedroom (or, shock horror, the house)? If you ask yourself these questions regularly enough, you'll be well on the way to a happy husband.

  1. Lingerie. Men love women in nice lingerie, but for most married women it is purely functional and they have no interest in even wearing matching lingerie, let alone anything sexy, even at weekends or during a time spent together. This is an easy win.
  1. Presentation. This key principle is that men simply do not want to hear about women's health issues, or anything that a lady should not be talking about. There are millions of women in this country, but very very few ladies who understand the restraint that involves. This is really a function of good manners and etiquette as much as anything. So, men don't want to hear about anything to do with your private parts, body hair, etc. They don't want to see you adopting any un-lady like habits during marriage; breaking wind, burping, etc. just say to the world you have given up and frankly don't give a damn any more about being either lady like or attractive to your husband. Same goes for doing any body maintenance in front of your husband. All those things should be done, if they have to, in private, away from your husband's eyes and ears (not even leaving a razor out in the bathroom). If you want a happy man, you should focus on presenting yourself as something he desires. Body hair - anywhere other than the top of your head, eyebrows and (these days) a very moderate amount below the bikini line, is totally unacceptable. Men don't want to touch it, see it or hear about it. There are plenty of solutions, including having laser treatment (I don't know why this isn't something every woman does). A hairy arm, top lip, leg, side burn, or whatever else is a truly awful thing.

It is partly for this reason that some English men do like East Asian women, because they are generally more effeminate and also are naturally hairless in most areas. Anyway, I digress.

  1. Chat. Partly covered in 3 above, but one specific other area that men find a turn-off is when women speak in juvenile terms about body parts, particularly referring in giggling tones to someone's "willy" or "bum", for example, is an immediate signal and turn-off. So too is women speaking in clinical terms, like "penis" or "vagina". For men, private parts are, believe it or not, primarily sexual, and adult women who want to engage with their husbands should engage in more "adult" usage if they want to connect. It goes back to point 1, about men wishing their wives shared a more sensual / sexual mindset. This can help.
  1. Porn. I really could not believe my ears when I heard a couple of my friends say that their wives did not approve of them watching porn. And, then I have read threads on here of wives coming to the "community" to panic about what to do about their husband (sorry, "DH".... that's another posting altogether, god help us) watching a bit of kinky porn now and again and whether it's "acceptable" or not. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, it's not a question of whether a wife should allow, approve or tolerate her husband watching porn, or watching sport, or watching UFC or watching whatever on earth he wants to watch, if it's legal. He's an adult, a separate person, and that's the end of it. But much more relevant to this post about making your guy happy, it again links back to 1, and tells your husband you have no idea about his needs or wants and frankly no care, and that you are prudish, which is the opposite of what he wishes you were. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I appreciate porn is not many women's cup of tea. Of course, a woman who DOES like porn, either alone or together with her husband, is a great find. But even if you don't, if your focus is on him being happy, then just embrace it as much as you can. Remember, your husband gets no immediate pleasure from you using a sex toy, but can you imagine if he objected to you doing it? That would, of course, be ridiculous and out of order. Much better for him to participate, if his goal is to make you happy, and the reverse is the same. So, next time you think of ticking off your husband - who, by the way DOES watch porn REGULARLY, whatever he says - why not do something spontaneous, sexual and ground-breaking, whatever that may be (be creative with it).

Again, to those women who are interested in what men want, this is a little set of tips to help you on your way to making your man happier. It may not all be immediately achievable, but that's okay, it's primarily an explanation, nothing more, so you can better relate and adjust if you want to.

And, again, for those women who see this as the ultimate display of sexism blah blah, and are reaching for the pitch-forks or furiously typing a response about why men don't understand they are too tired for X, too busy for Y, and would do these things if only their husbands did A, B and C, and unrealistic expectations of women, etc. etc., then you really missed the point.

Bye Bye!
Peter

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SassynSane · 14/04/2017 15:46

Yes she was FlyAway! Though she's referring to it as feckin chocolate & feckin cake. Liberation has allowed her natural, ahem, zest for life to spring forth. She's also left a trail of razors in her wake AND she's refusing to wear matching underwear. Welcome back MrsP! Good to have you very much back to normal!! Grin

NoSuchThing · 14/04/2017 16:05

😂

MrsPeterTheThird · 14/04/2017 16:24

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

SassynSane · 14/04/2017 16:30

I see the espresso martinis are having the desired effect MrsP. Pace yourself. You have your very own MN #MrsP'sFreeParty to attend later. It's going to be a glittering occasion. Now do you want the feckin black & red underwear combo or the feckin white & pink to go under your LBD? Grin

twattymctwatterson · 14/04/2017 16:33

I have reported and asked that this thread be moved to Mumsnet Classics. Thanks for the laughs Peter/Grant

Offred · 14/04/2017 18:34

It honestly astounds me that there are still men who can't understand that 'I want doesn't get' or that sometimes what you want is based on beliefs that are positively damaging to yourself and others around you and require scrutiny, reflection and evaluation because even for the problematically selfish having 'wants' that are not in line with what is reasonable will inevitably lead to unhappiness for them.... seems some of these Men's Wants Rights Activists think the answer to that is to retreat into their caves and compound their misery and dissatisfaction by becoming bitter and angry...

Offred · 14/04/2017 18:37

And the thing that most deeply concerns me is that the only reason many of them seem 'upset' by 'duty sex' otherwise known as sexual assault is because it makes them feel irritated that their partners are not putting in more effort to pretend they are happy and enjoying sex for their benefit.

Chamonix1 · 14/04/2017 19:00

This made my womb retract within itself.
Ewe. Just ewe.
Wife number 3 you say? The common denominator being who exactly?

I'm so glad my husband is nothing like you.

HelenaDove · 14/04/2017 19:01

Im assuming this isnt about you OP.

www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2017/15/amy-jones-on-dan-rochkind-giving-up-dating-models

SassynSane · 14/04/2017 19:14

Helena that's a brilliant article. What a complete tosser though! Confused

HelenaDove · 14/04/2017 19:23

Hes basically The Modelizer from Sex and the City.

FlyAwayPeter · 14/04/2017 19:43

And he's not particularly good looking actually.

SassynSane · 14/04/2017 19:49

I agree FlyAway. Don't want to lower myself to his superficial standards though I def wouldn't look twice at him

IrianOfW · 14/04/2017 19:55

Well that's interesting.

Would you like to know what women like? Or is that simply an irritating detail?

Violetcharlotte · 14/04/2017 20:00

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Funniest thing I've read on here for a long time!

MrsDoylesTeabags · 15/04/2017 18:32

Helena, that's an amazing article. It's scary to think men like that exist

DayGlo · 15/04/2017 18:38

This thread has made me laugh so much.

SpringDad Grin

And PMSL at The Modelizer from SATC. Yes!

DayGlo · 15/04/2017 18:38

So...these are the men those Surrendered Wives oddballs marry. I've never met an actual live one before.

MrsDoylesTeabags · 15/04/2017 19:12

But DayGlo He does have beautiful hair Grin

HelenaDove · 15/04/2017 23:29

Mrs Doyle I would NEVER EVER use a dating site. From what ive read on here and heard from friends in RL.......apparently men like that frequent them all too often.

PoorYorick · 16/04/2017 08:36

*So...these are the men those Surrendered Wives oddballs marry. I've never met an actual live one before.8

You still haven't :)

ItsCakeTime · 16/04/2017 09:29

Nice one @SpringDad

GoodDayToYou · 19/04/2017 11:09

"I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men."

There are approx 3.4 BILLION men in the world.

Peter, you've got a problem luv.

GoodDayToYou · 19/04/2017 20:33

In the interests of research and for anyone worrying if there's any truth in the op... I'm pleased to write that earlier today, having not shaved for at least a week despite my razor being on full display in the bathroom, I dropped my towel and did an unladylike 'Ministry of Funny Walks style' naked dance in the living room. DP was trying to watch The Chase at the time. He really didn't mind!!

SassynSane · 19/04/2017 22:08

😂😂😂😂😂 fab image! You go GoodDay!

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