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What Men Want (A bit about...)

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SuffolkGent01 · 11/04/2017 10:07

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends, and I am writing this for those women who appreciate a bit of honesty about what men want - and yes, most of this does relate to sex. For those women who are open to hearing that, then I hope you find this helpful. For those ardent feminists, or man-hating Mumsnet guardians, who think this is a major human rights violation of some kind, then... sorry. (More on that below.).

Inevitably what I write will be generalisation, but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage, having been around a bit, with a lot of male friends and colleagues also, and some experience counselling, I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men. And If I say things about women, again it's a generalisation, so take it for what it is.

  1. Sex. Yes, married men would want sex much more regularly on the whole than they get (really, in my view, twice a week is pretty much the acceptable minimum for a couple under 60). But what truly depresses most married men, far more than the lack of regularity of sex, is actually that their wives simply show no interest in sex itself.

Any husband would take a woman who was sensual and enthusiastic and made a positive effort once every two weeks, then a woman who reluctantly rolls over to have missionary duty-sex once or twice a week. There is nothing more depressing, transparent, un-erotic and life-sapping than a woman doing duty-sex, and yet that is what almost all married men have to live with. What makes it worse, of course, is that this is not who most men dated or married to begin with, when so many women put on the show of being energetic sex bunnies.

But a woman who makes an effort, who does something unexpected, is a gem. So, ask yourself when you last actually thought about doing something new or different in the bedroom, when you last buy a sexy outfit or a toy, when did you last instigate a sexual act outside the bedroom (or, shock horror, the house)? If you ask yourself these questions regularly enough, you'll be well on the way to a happy husband.

  1. Lingerie. Men love women in nice lingerie, but for most married women it is purely functional and they have no interest in even wearing matching lingerie, let alone anything sexy, even at weekends or during a time spent together. This is an easy win.
  1. Presentation. This key principle is that men simply do not want to hear about women's health issues, or anything that a lady should not be talking about. There are millions of women in this country, but very very few ladies who understand the restraint that involves. This is really a function of good manners and etiquette as much as anything. So, men don't want to hear about anything to do with your private parts, body hair, etc. They don't want to see you adopting any un-lady like habits during marriage; breaking wind, burping, etc. just say to the world you have given up and frankly don't give a damn any more about being either lady like or attractive to your husband. Same goes for doing any body maintenance in front of your husband. All those things should be done, if they have to, in private, away from your husband's eyes and ears (not even leaving a razor out in the bathroom). If you want a happy man, you should focus on presenting yourself as something he desires. Body hair - anywhere other than the top of your head, eyebrows and (these days) a very moderate amount below the bikini line, is totally unacceptable. Men don't want to touch it, see it or hear about it. There are plenty of solutions, including having laser treatment (I don't know why this isn't something every woman does). A hairy arm, top lip, leg, side burn, or whatever else is a truly awful thing.

It is partly for this reason that some English men do like East Asian women, because they are generally more effeminate and also are naturally hairless in most areas. Anyway, I digress.

  1. Chat. Partly covered in 3 above, but one specific other area that men find a turn-off is when women speak in juvenile terms about body parts, particularly referring in giggling tones to someone's "willy" or "bum", for example, is an immediate signal and turn-off. So too is women speaking in clinical terms, like "penis" or "vagina". For men, private parts are, believe it or not, primarily sexual, and adult women who want to engage with their husbands should engage in more "adult" usage if they want to connect. It goes back to point 1, about men wishing their wives shared a more sensual / sexual mindset. This can help.
  1. Porn. I really could not believe my ears when I heard a couple of my friends say that their wives did not approve of them watching porn. And, then I have read threads on here of wives coming to the "community" to panic about what to do about their husband (sorry, "DH".... that's another posting altogether, god help us) watching a bit of kinky porn now and again and whether it's "acceptable" or not. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, it's not a question of whether a wife should allow, approve or tolerate her husband watching porn, or watching sport, or watching UFC or watching whatever on earth he wants to watch, if it's legal. He's an adult, a separate person, and that's the end of it. But much more relevant to this post about making your guy happy, it again links back to 1, and tells your husband you have no idea about his needs or wants and frankly no care, and that you are prudish, which is the opposite of what he wishes you were. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I appreciate porn is not many women's cup of tea. Of course, a woman who DOES like porn, either alone or together with her husband, is a great find. But even if you don't, if your focus is on him being happy, then just embrace it as much as you can. Remember, your husband gets no immediate pleasure from you using a sex toy, but can you imagine if he objected to you doing it? That would, of course, be ridiculous and out of order. Much better for him to participate, if his goal is to make you happy, and the reverse is the same. So, next time you think of ticking off your husband - who, by the way DOES watch porn REGULARLY, whatever he says - why not do something spontaneous, sexual and ground-breaking, whatever that may be (be creative with it).

Again, to those women who are interested in what men want, this is a little set of tips to help you on your way to making your man happier. It may not all be immediately achievable, but that's okay, it's primarily an explanation, nothing more, so you can better relate and adjust if you want to.

And, again, for those women who see this as the ultimate display of sexism blah blah, and are reaching for the pitch-forks or furiously typing a response about why men don't understand they are too tired for X, too busy for Y, and would do these things if only their husbands did A, B and C, and unrealistic expectations of women, etc. etc., then you really missed the point.

Bye Bye!
Peter

OP posts:
LucieLucie · 12/04/2017 19:13

It's all me, me, me Pete.

What do you do for your women?

Do you keep yourself clean, well groomed and shaved and waxed? Nothing more off putting than a man with body hair below his arm pits, and they should be groomed neatly.

Do you help with the housework and children so that your wife can relax and have time after work to shave and release wind outwit your ears/knowledge?

Are you able to separate fantasy porn from reality? I.e. Women in porn have been freshly waxed and made up specifically for that recording? And for the following 4-6 weeks they're hairy, menstruate and even fart and poo? You know, like humans do??

When your in bed with your wife, do you care to rub her back/shoulders, show any affection and love or do you just prod her in the back with your one eyed worm and expect her to get excited st the prospect of being your spunk bucket in the next 2 minutes?

Ahh, well I sincerely hope that within the last 3 marriages you've had you haven't produced any daughters... or god forbid any sons HmmTardis

Valentine2 · 12/04/2017 19:21

This is quite good. Grin
I have no idea what else to write. Grin

Valentine2 · 12/04/2017 19:26

Oh please please please MUMSNET! Can we keep this thread? Would be lovely to have it in Classics. Grin

PortiaCastis · 12/04/2017 19:29

Well Pete mate are you reading all the comments on here as you sit at your pc in your greying skidmarked pants and your wankstained keyboard?

PortiaCastis · 12/04/2017 19:36

Ladies pete has started another threadful of shite.
Here it is

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2901989-What-Men-Want-A-bit-more-about?watched=1&msgid=68282576#68282576

brickinitIam · 12/04/2017 19:37

Come back Peter!

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 12/04/2017 19:38

I have only just found this thread and you lot scared him off

Sad
Fanciedachange17 · 12/04/2017 19:38

Dear God, Peter was I your 2nd wife? Grin

I wish I'd farted sooner and not held it in until you were snoring after your sexual exploits.

45DegreestoReality · 12/04/2017 19:43

Please, don't feed the troll. It will come back.

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 12/04/2017 19:46

I found him again

You havent scared him off...

HollyJollyDillydolly · 12/04/2017 19:48

Haha the new thread is hilarious too.
It's like time travelling to the 1950s Grin

nonameinspiration · 12/04/2017 19:56

Is that you paul?

Itaintme · 12/04/2017 19:57

I wonder why MNHQ have left an obvious troll thread up...

PoorYorick · 12/04/2017 19:58

Because it's hilarious. Trolling, when done well, can in fact be art.

New one's a bit of overkill though.

Itaintme · 12/04/2017 20:00

So trolling MN is ok now? I suppose of it gets the clicks it must be.

Itaintme · 12/04/2017 20:01

If

Funnyonion17 · 12/04/2017 20:04

Bet your woman is a happy bunny?!Hmm

You sound like every woman's dream, not.

FelixtheMouse · 12/04/2017 20:12

Only if it's funnyItaintme. This may not be your style of humour, but I'm crying with laughter here.

derxa · 12/04/2017 20:18

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Deadsouls · 12/04/2017 20:20

Wow, you sound like an attractive man Peter. Well thank you for your obviously well intentioned advice. Hope you're enjoying all the replies and attention you're getting.

Deadsouls · 12/04/2017 20:21

Didn't know the bit about not 'even leaving a razor lying around'. I've been doing it wrong all these years. Must remember to remove hair in the dead of night, in secret

Deadsouls · 12/04/2017 20:30

When you say you have some experience counselling, do you mean that you've had counselling? Or you've been a counsellor?

FlowerOfTheValley · 12/04/2017 20:38

Even Peter's deliberate wind up views pale into insignificance compared to the views of "Housekeeping Monthly" from 1955. www.littlethings.com/1950s-good-housewife-guide/

ScrommidgeClaryAndSpunt · 12/04/2017 20:50

Oh, mate.

Anniegetyourgun · 12/04/2017 21:00

I'm totally loving MNHQ's sparing but significant input on these threads. Even the deletion notice. I agree, the second one was de trop.

Funnily enough, I did all the "wrong" things for 25 years (and am still doing them now, albeit as a singleton - I mean, shave legs, what madness is this? Are we not mammals?). Still had to prise XH off with a crowbar when I finally got around to giving him the push. It's almost like he didn't want to escape. Masochist.