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BF's had a personality transplant. Thoughts please ...

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AllTorque · 10/04/2017 16:35

My partner of 12 months seems to have undergone a total personality transplant. I’ve known him for about 25 years, and he’s always been a lovely man. As a bit of background, he’s had two long term relationships of 10+ years, and I was married for 11 years.

When we got together, he was fun, open, engaging, talkative, great company, loved spending time with me. I moved in to his house after three or four months of us being together (we’re in our mid and late 40s) and for the next few months, everything was fantastic. We were both happy with each other’s company. We couldn’t get enough of each other. Loads of spontaneous amazing sex, morning noon and night, him giving hugs and kisses spontaneously, cute little texts every day saying he loved me, etc. We share some of the same hobbies and interests, and there’s other stuff we enjoyed doing together also, too much to list.

However, since about October he’s been withdrawn, almost non-communicative, like different person altogether. This seemed to literally happen overnight. I’ve no idea why. I have asked, repeatedly. He never spontaneously hugs or kisses me (never a “proper” kiss), there’s no texts and not much conversation in the evenings. I get a kiss when he leaves for work in the mornings (he leaves at 6 am), and when he gets in in the evening, there’s no friendly hello or hugs or even a peck on the check. For example, he came in today just before 3 o’clock, he knows that I'm in the house because my car is outside, but hasn’t come to see me to say hello. I know he’ll be sitting on the couch scrolling endlessly on his phone and will just grunt at me when I go to say hello and moan about having a shit day. He never asks about my day. I try to make allowances as he’s on his feet all day, and he’s outdoors in all weathers. I do wonder if there’s a bit of seasonal affective disorder going on, but he doesn’t seem any happier now the season’s changing.

It’s like he’s flicked the emotional off switch. As an example, I can count on the fingers of one hand how many times we’ve made love since Christmas. If I instigate it, he’ll make an excuse about having a bad back or a sore hip and then leg it out of the bedroom (I’ve noted that this pain never stops him going off for entire days on his mountain bike with his friends though). When it does happen it’s usually it’s a five minute (and that’s a generous estimate) episode with minimal effort on his part, no foreplay, he stops when he feels like it and there’s no cuddles after. To be honest, I'm getting a bit fed up with being the one making all the effort. I end up feeling like a sex pest if I try and show him any affection. I did notice him checking out my boobs yesterday though when I was wearing a low cut top.

There’s absolutely zero effort made on his part to show me that he still cares. We recently had a couple of holidays together, and whilst things were OK, I found it really difficult to spend hours sat together in silence. I made all the effort at conversation but he just seemed like he was miles away.

I’ve asked him on numerous occasions what’s wrong, I tell him if something’s bothering him, just to let me know. He says there’s nothing wrong, he “loves me to bits” and that “it’s just what he does” and that he withdraws “into himself, sometimes for weeks at a time”. I’ve pointed out that it’s been months now and that if he did care, he’d make the effort to show it, and that it’s only reasonable for me to assume that he doesn’t want me any more if he doesn’t tell me or show me, He says that’s he’s upset about a friend of his dying in January this year. He’d known him for a long time, but while they were good friends, they didn’t seem particularly close. I think it’s a bit strange that he’s using this as an excuse when he’s so unemotional where I'm concerned. I’ve asked if there’s anyone else and he says no. He’s not a liar and I believe him.

I’ve noticed that he’s also drinking more than is good for him at the moment. On a couple of occasions when we’ve been out, when we got home, he’s turned on me – verbally, he’d never dream of laying so much as a finger on me - saying things like I can't wait to move out or go back to my husband (no chance of that happening, ever). He was apologetic in the morning on both occasions and said he doesn’t want to lose me and wants us to spend the rest of our lives together.

I just don’t know what to do. I feel awkward about telling him I love him as he never says it or even demonstrates it to me any more. Actions do speak louder than words, don’t they?

I suspect that he’s depressed or bipolar. He’s mentioned having depression in the past.

We live in his house, which is in joint names with his ex (who never contributed to the mortgage despite emotionally blackmailing him into buying). She moved out over three years ago but there’s still tons of her things here (mostly clothes and, frankly, junk, but he says it’s not his stuff to throw away) and he either won't or can't deal with sorting out the title to the house or getting her to collect her stuff. This means that there's no room for my things, which are still at my old house. I’ve been told by reliable sources (without my asking them) that she was a manipulative cow, but I suppose that’s another story. It’s a shithole, everything needs doing to it – windows, electric, plumbing, new kitchen, new bathroom etc.. There’s no stair carpet and the inside wall of the gable end is mouldy in patches. I’ve never lived anywhere like this in my life. I'm the only one who ever tidies up.

I’ve gone so far as to pack all my clothes, they're in bags in the wardrobe. He knows this but hasn’t commented.

I suppose I'm just rambling but I'm looking for objective thoughts on this. Anyone?

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CalonGoch · 10/04/2017 18:06

It sounds really messy, and as if it could be even messier than you're letting on. His house is part owned with his ex? Doesn't she want to sell? Where is she now? How much in his life is she, with all her stuff still there? When he suggests you 'go back to your husband' - did you leave your husband to be with this bloke? And who's in your house?

To be brutal, if I were in a houseshare with this man, I'd be looking to move out asap. Maybe he IS depressed, but after six months of bliss, followed by six months of arsey distant behaviour, it's not your job to fix him.

GeekyWombat · 10/04/2017 18:07

You deserve much better than this. A relationship this hard work after 12 months is not worth clinging onto.

Good luck OP.

beachcomber243 · 10/04/2017 18:08

He just couldn't keep his good behaviour up and this is who he is. I expect he would like you to stay to do clean/tidy the house, do his washing and ironing and cooking.
I should wake up, he doesn't want to make a new start with you or he would sort his house out and make room for your belongings. I think though that there is another person on the scene.
His excuses just mean he wants to behave just as he likes and sod you. I'd go, and not look back.

ElspethFlashman · 10/04/2017 18:11

With respect, you may know him for 25 years but you didn't know what he was like to live with.

Now you know.

I doubt his two exes were ecstatically happy either. Perhaps they stayed way too long, in the hopes that he would revert back. Don't make the same mistake. This is who he is.

AllTorque · 10/04/2017 18:14

Gallavich, I've known him for years. I can even remember the first time that I ever met him, when I was 16.

He did ask me, months ago, if I wanted to spend "the rest of my life" with him. I didn't hesitate to say yes. It felt so right, so good. I felt so safe and comfortable when I was with him. It certainly didn't feel like he was putting on an act. I'm usually a good judge of character.

I gave up quite a lot to be with him, I don't think he actually realises just how much. It hurts that I've given it up to be with someone who now cant be bothered to give me the time of day.

There are occasional glimpses of the person he seemed to be when we first got together.

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wilma60 · 10/04/2017 18:16

Get him to see his GP. it sounds like he is seriously depressed. I know you think it's bad behaviour but people who have bad depression can't help it

SaltySeaDog72 · 10/04/2017 18:18

It must be hard to let go of a 25year perception of him.

But really, you must. It's going to hurt like hell but you must.

this is who he is.

TrippyMcTrapFace · 10/04/2017 18:18

OP, how is he in the other areas of his life, work, his own friends, social life, hobbies?

He's treating you badly but when I was reading the OP I thought he may be depressed even before you mentioned it.
If he's enthusiastic about everything else yet treating you badly, that's one thing. But if he's depressed, it's another.

Depression is NOT an excuse to treat someone badly but he could be in huge pain and feeling as if he can't talk to you - or anyone - about it.

TrippyMcTrapFace · 10/04/2017 18:19

xpost with wilma

Kikikaakaa · 10/04/2017 18:19

I agree that I think may be futile to work out what is wrong but I see why you want to.

When I am depressed this is pretty much what I can be like. BUT I am like it all the time, I don't suddenly turn it off for hobbies. I manage work as if it's all an act and that is exhausting. Another but. But I know that I am doing this withdrawal and I am sorry for it. I apologise to people about it. Sometimes I just want to avoid all life in general except my kids - because they matter the most to me, they get any energy I have left.

I think he's checked out and even if he is depressed, he has no interest in addressing it.

His crap hole house IMO is indicative of someone who likes the idea of things but has no follow through and he's doing that with your relationship

2014newme · 10/04/2017 18:21

The novelty has worn off. He's not bothered.

Gallavich · 10/04/2017 18:22

Ok fine - you knew him in one context but that's simply not the same as knowing him as a partner.
It must make it so hard to walk away from though

Whisky2014 · 10/04/2017 18:24

Honeymoon phase is over and this is reality I'm afraid. Move on OP

CalonGoch · 10/04/2017 18:27

Well, he might be shaken by the close friend dying, but did the onset of moodiness coincide with a terminal diagnosis, or was it an unexpected death in January?

Sorry, I was a bit harsh about the possibility of depression, if he's suffered in the past. Of course if you've known someone for 25 years, it's rather different from the early days of a 12 month relationship. But only you know whether he really might be depressed, or whether it's a convenient reason for your relationship not working out as you'd hoped, especially with the added burdens of a mid-life crisis, and also his knowing how much you've given up to be with him? Either way, it's something he has to fix himself - you might be a better support to him in your own space, maintaining your own happiness.

AllTorque · 10/04/2017 18:32

It was around the time of a diagnosis, yes. I know it sounds heartless but the thought of how he'll react when/if one of his parents/siblings dies if this is how he reacts to a friend passing just makes my heart sink.

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Kikikaakaa · 10/04/2017 18:34

It is entirely possible that the diagnosis has hit him in an emotional spot and he's shut down. He has to actually want to get out of this. You need to sit him down and explain that you cannot continue like this

CalonGoch · 10/04/2017 18:38

A friend dying is slightly different from a relative dying, though - it sparks thoughts of 'it could be me next', rather than 'what will I do when Dad goes'. Both sad and sobering, but I know I was shaken in a weirdly fundamental way when a university friend died; when my dad died I was heartbroken but by then I was ten years older and there was a sort of inevitability about it, because he was 77, not 35. I can imagine how it would trigger depression in someone prone to it.

Still think you're better off helping him from outside, though.

ElspethFlashman · 10/04/2017 18:38

You realise it is ALL him?

"Friend Him", "Honeymoon Him"......and then "Cohabiting Him". They're all facets of his personality - it's just that you only knew the first one for 25 years.

WannaBe · 10/04/2017 18:39

Tbh I think it's a lot harder going from friends to lovers than we realise sometimes. If you're good friends with someone, you've known them for ages then sometimes those feelings can be underlying for a while, except that when you realise them it's not as you thought it would be - iyswim.

I think that it's more likely that you were friends, got on well, thought you had feelings for each other because of how close you were, then moved in together and suddenly realised that what he thought was love is in fact still just close friendship.

A long time ago when I was stil at school I had a very close friend who made his feelings for me known for months/years. Everyone knew that he had feelings for me but I just didn't feel the same. And then, gradually I did develop feelings for him and we got together. Except that once we were together it just didn't work for him. It's slightly diffferent because it was only a teenage relationship but he definitely cooled towards me within not very long of having got together, and ultimately ended the relationship and we just went back to being friends and still are 25 years later.

I don't buy into this notion that it must be depression. If it is then he owes you that explanation at least. If he can't talk to you about it then he has no-one to blame but himself.

But ultimately this relationship is over. You have nothing to gain by staying, and if there really is something else amiss he will do something about it if you walk away from him. But I'd bet money that he'll let you go without a fight.

Hermonie2016 · 10/04/2017 18:44

The saying is 'you have to live with someone to know him".If he won't speak to you, it can't be fixed.

Everything could be great in a relationship but if one person won't communicate then any issues be one insoluble.

I really wouldn't try to 2nd guess him as I suspect this is just him.
I feel for you as it's so hard to acknowledge that this isn't going to work but it really seems like it.

AllTorque · 10/04/2017 18:46

I've already told him in the past that I don't feel like there's anything worth staying for. He says that we love each other and I should stay. That's why I'm so confused. His words say one thing but his actions speak differently.

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pocketsaviour · 10/04/2017 18:56

Love is a verb.

What does he do to show that he loves you? Not what he says he's going to do, or what he might do if you give him an ultimatum right now. What does he do, at this time, for you?

My ex did that "I can't be bothered to come and say hello even though you've been at work all day" thing on occasion - always occasions when it turned out he was shagging someone else Hmm

Imagine you arrived at work in the morning and your colleagues didn't speak to you to say hello. How small, ostracised and excluded would you feel? And those are colleagues - this is a man who purports to love you and apparently wants to spend the rest of his life making you unhappy with you.

Footle · 10/04/2017 18:57

I haven't read every post , someone else may have said this, but don't be without contraception. You really don't need an accidental pregnancy in this situation.
FWIW my advice is to move back to your own house for a good long time, maybe 3-6 months, and see how you both feel. Whatever has caused this change, it's really not good for you to live like this.

AllTorque · 10/04/2017 19:04

That's not likely at the moment Footle! He's barely even looked at me since the middle of March! Blush

Although I did catch him staring at my boobs yesterday though. He's not done that in a while Hmm

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ElspethFlashman · 10/04/2017 19:06

Actually it's extremely characteristic for him considering he is accustomed to decade long relationships.

Presumably they weren't a bed of roses either but they lasted a very long time. He doesn't understand how your feelings are incompatible with staying together. His other girlfriends stayed. So of course he is not agreeing with you - it's a completely alien notion.

It's also why he was quick to agree you'd be together forever. In his world, long term relationships are easy and require little effort. Certainly not something he's afraid of.