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Boyfriend acts like he is from a different world - could he really have Asperger's?

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Yesyesyesyeswhatever · 25/03/2017 13:11

Sorry, this is long! Thank you if you can bear with me.

I got together with my DBF half a year ago. We met online and there was an instant connection. He fell in love with me instantly and after his first few messages that seemed so "otherworldly", romantically old-fashioned, passionate and creative, so did I. We connected emotionally in so many ways and skipped the "small talk" and "games" bit that I find is usually present in early online stuff. He told me very painful things about his past that he had never shared with anyone before. He told me how he had been called weird all his life and that he reckoned he had some level of ASD and possibly ADHD. I know a lot about AS, so told him it wasn't a "bad" thing. He is just wired differently. We all have different talents and all are on a spectrum of "normality" vs. whatever else.

When I was to meet him the first time after 2 months of constant messages and talking on the phone (was abroad for a while), he became worried that I wouldn't like him in person. I assured him that there was no reason to think that. However, on meeting him straight off the bus (he lives a long bus ride from me), I realised that he had misled me. He appeared older, had a pony tail and had gained a considerable amount of weight (the pictures he had put online and sent to me -only 3, and only one of his face, as he said he hates his picture being taken - depicted him as being quite athletic looking with shortish hair). I felt confused, sad and angry. I held his hand for a while, but then told him that I had to go. I was devastated, as I didn't understand how he could do it to me. I deleted him from my phone, but he asked if he could write me emails. I relented. He was so sorry and devastated too. I missed him. I wanted him back.

After reconnecting, I made him come clean about his age. He was 12 years older than he had originally said, so 15 years older than me. My STBEXH is only three years younger than him,so this is not a massive leap for me, but was still hurt and grieved for the man I thought he was. He said he fell in love with me, so could not think further than that he wanted to write to me and I had set my age "preference" as younger.

He was very apologetic and admitted being a shit person. He repeatedly told me that I should just get rid of him and that I deserved better. This happens still frequently even though I have come to terms with it all and understand he wasn't meaning to be hurtful. He does come across as being quite naïve and childlike in some ways. He very much believes in fairytale romance and that I am his princess. The most beautiful girl in the world.

I have now pretty much lived with him for a few months and am moving in next month. As he is able to connect emotionally, maintains eye contact, is an attentive and passionate sex partner and tells me that he loves me all the time, I dismissed his suspected AS as being just sensitive, somewhat obsessive compulsive, anxious and behavioural result of trauma in childhood. However, for the last week I am thinking more and more that he has AS.

Once I came home from work earlier than he had expected. He was in the middle of cleaning and hardly said hi to me. I was exhausted and teary. I asked him for a hug and he cheerfully said he would just finish what he was doing (the dishes) and would hug me then. I went upstairs to lie down as I was so tired and waited for him. I assumed he would come to me after he had dried his hands, but instead he kept on cleaning. Even vacuuming around the bed when I had told him I was tired. He then came to the bed to (again) cheerfully tell me that if I was really tired I should just put my phone away and sleep. Or just get up. I started to feel very angry.

When he had stopped cleaning, I confronted him about not properly greeting me. He had chosen that particular time to thoroughly clean the house, when he could have waited a little bit to give me a hug and then maybe not vacuum and clean around me like me coming home is an inconvenience. He explained that he had wanted to clean before I came home, to make it nice for me and thought the best strategy was to clean as quickly as possible and then get to me.

He explained that he can't multitask and once he has a list of tasks in his head he has to do, he simply has to do them. He is unable to think or notice anything else. This is what made him split up with his last long term partner. DBF thought him cleaning would make me happy. He also said that cleaning is not something that "cannot be left undone even if it sucks". The house simply needed doing, so he just did what he had to do. He was only beating himself up about the fact that he didn't get to it sooner, so it would all have been done before I came. I explained that a hug and a short chat only takes a minute and that I understand that he house needed cleaning.

Seemed we misunderstood each other, although he could understand how I felt from asking him "how would you have felt if I had done this to you". So, on a level he gets it, but his world does at times seem very black and white.

He wears the same clothes in black all the time, talks about his favourite subjects with lots of knowledge of little facts, hates/fears breaking new shoes in. He also needs to think about new things a long time. Selecting a table and chairs that he would be happy with almost made me go crazy. He is also fussy with food, with a childish palate. He seems childishly cheerful and jokey when he is not down. He works in IT and used to be a mechanic, but quit because he hated having oily hands all the time. He has terrible handwriting and dyslexia.

Does this sound like ASD? He does not want a diagnosis, but I need to know what I am dealing with to be able to relate to him appropriately... I love him so much and don't want us to end up fighting about stupid stuff.

Sorry, this was an epic take! Just felt like the background was needed...

OP posts:
Trills · 25/03/2017 16:38

I agree Ellisandra. If one of the first things I know about a person is that they've lied to me, I'm not going to stick around to find out many more things about them.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 25/03/2017 17:14

Your marriage ends after 12 years. Less than a year later, 6 months after meeting a man online, you a say I am committed to making this long term.

That is a fucked up attitude that is leading you into dangerous territory.

You should be committed to discovering whether the relationship can be successful long term. May it can, maybe it can't.

How long has it been since you got back together after you split up when you met in person and found he had lied?

MissGoggins · 25/03/2017 17:15

Spot on Ellisandra
Op this guy has told you exactly who he is. A liar.
You have told him who you are. A person who tolerates lies so long as they are served up with a large serving of complimentary love at first sight bulshit.
What a terrible start. Six months is nothing.

N.o.t.h.i.n.g.

Mamaka · 25/03/2017 17:17

Aside from the rest of the thread, can we please not accuse the op of leaving her son for Comic Book Man? She obviously has her reasons for allowing her ds to live with his dad, which is really none of our business.

NeonGod73 · 25/03/2017 17:24

How on Earth can you fall in love with someone online, without having met in person? This baffles me. This alone would set me thinking. A man claiming that he fell for me instantly based on a dating website profile? Nah, it's a joke.

MissGoggins · 25/03/2017 17:31

But I do judge her for leaving her son and moving into another mans home within a year.

I'd judge her Stbx husband if he did the same. Less than 6 months after a split? Shows no regard for giving a small child time to adjust to these changes that he had no choice in.

Mum is gone. Hard. Dad is sole care giver now. Hard. Mum lives with some random old liar now. Nice. They are in love. Great example.

Give me strength I despair. Children raising children. Where is this little boys security? I'd love to hear stbxh POV.

Also this 'therapist' is obviously a license found in cornflakes box counsellor. No properly trained psychotherapist would say the things op is reporting.

JigglyTuff · 25/03/2017 17:42

Your poor kid. You're not prioritising him at all, whatever you tell yourself.

witchofzog · 25/03/2017 17:47

I second Mamaka. The op did not leave her son for this man. This happenned before him. She cannot afford to live in the area where he is settled with his father and does not want to uproot him. She must have done a lot of soul searching to do that and to be honest if this was a man, no-one would bat an eyelid.

I would advise you op to wait another 6 months until you move in properly. In the grand scheme of things this is no time at all. Especially if you have the rest of your lives together anyway. But you are also protecting yourself from a huge mistake in the event things do not pan out the way you want them to. You are doubling the time you have been together and this will give him the opportunity to be the partner you need him to be OR to be someone you don't want to be with. But either way you will know by then

Yesyesyesyeswhatever · 25/03/2017 17:50

Taking a break from work for a bit.

I can understand the different viewpoints, but with respect, I know the situation from the inside and know how things are and how they feel. We all differ in opinion on what we would do and how we would handle situations, that is a given, but my posts have been heavily weighted with the "difficult" stuff (to illustrate the possible AS), when, in fact, I am happy in my relationship and reconciled with the unconventional beginning.

I am not a fool and my son always comes first, but I need to also be happy. And I am happy now. Many wouldn't be, but we are all different. Some people would stay in a dead relationship for the child(ren) or forgive an affair. The first I couldn't do. The second I don't know how I would deal with, but the point is, I have forgiven him for his stupid mistake. He thought he had no chance of ever getting even as far as meeting me, so just did something very short-sighted and thoughtless, and he is very sorry and regretful about it. After that all was resolved we have been great. Just occasionally now wonder about AS because of some minor things like the stupid cleaning "incident". I now, however, understand that whether or not he can be diagnosed is largely irrelevant to the relationship. We all have our peculiarities.

Again, I thank everyone for their contributions, but I think I will now bow out of the thread, as I have achieved the understanding I needed.

PS. My psychotherapist is long term BACP credited (also as a supervisor to other therapists), trained in the psychodynamic tradition, then at Relate, as well as many other places I can't remember, and lectures psychodynamic psychotherapy at university. She might need to be perfect (nobody is), but pretty much as near as you can get as a therapist/counsellor. She also knows me very well.

OP posts:
GeorgeTheHamster · 25/03/2017 18:04

It sounds like a great relationship in many ways op and I agree with others who say that whether his peculiarities are aspie or not doesn't really matter. They are who he is and we all have our foibles.

I agree that if you were a man you wouldn't meet wth such opprobrium for your choices in living apart from your son and moving on relationship-wise.

JigglyTuff · 25/03/2017 19:28

I'd just like to make it clear that I would absolutely feel the same way if you were a man. I think the number of men who conveniently forget their children when they start a new relationship is disgusting.

BlueNeighbourhood1 · 25/03/2017 20:01

Firstly - have you met any of his friends and family to ascertain if he's like this around them? Do you have proof the son exists abroad or could it be something he's made up to have something in common with you?

My partner struggles with me, she's very creative, arty and the like. I have to have everything in black and white, there is literally zero room for grey area and this situation I'm struggling to understand massively. I get that someone can meet/they don't look like their profile picture but their personality triumphs over this. But it isn't to you is it? You don't understand this guy at all....everything you have said so far is this reason of 'wanting to understand his behaviour' but how can you be in love with someone you don't really 'get' at all?

In my opinion I think you too have bought into all his fairytale romance style, the attention, the constant messages. So much so it's made you want to move in with him so quickly - despite your family wondering what's going on too. I don't think you love him, I think you desperately want to. Because if you did love him none of this would matter as it doesn't in my relationship. I think he sounds odd to say the least, and you need to step back out of this bubble you and him are living in and try and work out what's best. You've said pretty soon you were constantly at his house so from meeting you've gone at full throttle - you need space from him. It sounds so so odd.

ImperialBlether · 25/03/2017 20:11

Of course it wasn't love at first sight for you - you were so shocked at the sight of him you left the date and deleted him from your phone!

Hermonie2016 · 25/03/2017 20:16

You split from your ex last year and moving in with this man shortly? It feels so fast, are you sure you are not trying hard to make this work? Do you have a place of your own?

A 15 year difference is really significant to lie about so I honestly feel you need think about this, it was manipulative.He should have been dumped there and then as you set a low standard.

I suspect my stbxh has ASD and if it's the case you may not know him for several years as he will be adjusting his behaviour to win you over but once committed he will relax and not try as hard.

Black & white thinking is very tough to live with, if the traits are there 6 months in it will get much, much worse.

HermioneJeanGranger · 25/03/2017 20:25

Why are you even giving him a chance when he lied to you?

And I think people would be equally harsh on a man. There have been plenty of threads on here where ex-husbands have moved in with new girlfriends within six months and they've been given plenty of stick for it.

Your focus should be on setting up a home for you and your son. Maybe he lives with his dad, and that's fine, but why should he have to go, in six months, from living with both parents, to only seeing mum at her new boyfriend's house?

Poor kid.

nonameinspiration · 25/03/2017 20:28

This is so emotionally weird. The not greeting you thing would drive me nuts but it reminds me of exh though more extreme. You can either cope with this behaviour or you can't. I know I can't it's so rude and unavailable and abusing even in a passive aggressive way.

Otherwise the rest is nuts what are you doing???

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 26/03/2017 11:25

I'm sorry yo're bowing out of the thread OP but on the slim chance you're going to come back I just wanted to give a slightly different perspective from the majority:

Firstly: like you I met my partner online and she (we are both women) initially lied about her age - I was furious when she eventually owned up (about 2 months into the relationship) but she was so sorry I forgave her and I'm so glad I did because we've been together 10 years and got married last July. She is the most supportive, loving, kind partner I have ever had and we are very happy.
Secondly, the shaming of you on this thread for supposedly 'abandoning' your son. You clearly haven't abandoned him - you see him every week and speak to him every day, How is this abandonment? As you noted, if your DS was living with you and it was his father posting on a thread like this that the child didn't live with him but that he made sure he saw the child every week and spoke to him every day - no one wold bat an eyelid.
Lastly, the AS thing - I really don't know if your DP has AS - maybe he is on the spectrum somewhere - there are lots of online tests you can do do establish this and it's rather difficult for us to judge not having met him. However, he makes eye contact easily, seems to be in touch with his emotions, he listens to you, shows empathy and is prepared to work on conflicts and issues within the relationship - these are all good things and vital in a successful relationship.

My exH was definitely on the spectrum and completely unable to do any of these things, refused to work on any issues that we had (Always claiming they didn't exist), was only able to see the world in his own terms, could not show empathy, was unable to show affection and just did not know how to address conflict, couldn't make eye contact, struggled with anyone displaying emotion and never showed any emotion himself and refusal to discuss 'difficult' subjects. Interestingly he also rarely commented on how I looked except when I wore black and white!!

And finally finally - you have a man who is prepared to do housework! Thank the goddess above!! Do you know the number of women in this world who live with men who don't lift a finger to help them and who expect then to hold down jobs, do all the childcare and the housework too?

There's no way anyone on MN can judge whether the relationship is right for you long term - only you can tell that - I just wanted to come at the issues you raised from a different perspective. Good luck!

pinkdelight · 26/03/2017 19:32

His lies are creepy, as are the ott compliments. At such an early stage it all seems calculated to blind you to reality and get you hooked. Which seems to have worked. Even the way you say 'half a year' instead of six months seems to reinforce this myth of great love you're building, this mutually supportive etc relationship which is in fact only a few months old, part of which was based on lies. If the love is truly as strong as you reiterate, what's the harm in waiting. Keep your independence, take your time, find out who he is if you really value any future the two of you might have. Both of you clearly have issues so why you'd dive right in with all these red flags is just... well, further proof that you both have issues!

brightspark2 · 11/04/2017 11:29

I can relate to your situation. Would it be possible to ask him to take a test for autism or Asperger's in the interest of helping communication and understanding? My lovely partner has gone to therapy after a bad bout of supposed SAD and looking up online research after accepting his behaviours now impacted both of us not just him any more. He has a referral now with a long waiting list to adult autism services. He is much more relieved that there is an explanation and he has taken control of his mental health - and shared his experience of the therapy with me when he comes home so I can understand too. After a few emotional discussions we agreed that this, our third year together is one of discovery, understanding and communication.

The diagnosis has helped enormously. We had to move in together after just two and a half months because I had urgent spinal surgery and he lived 300 miles away - but we love each other dearly, get on well and if he gets blinkered I can give him a heads up we need to spend more time together and if he needs alone time to avoid a meltdown I give it to him.

We are making it work, with the love and kindness a good relationship requires. It is by no means definite that you two will fail - but if you can get him to agree to be tested and get some information at least it could be a good compromise and help you stop second guessing yourself and him.

I kind of agree regarding your son that it's a bit soon to be moving in together - but you know your child and circumstances, we don't.

Good luck for the future, OP. I hope this more positive post has helped balance the negative ones a little for you.

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