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Utterly predictable ending. But I just couldn't admit it.

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hareinthemoon · 23/02/2017 21:57

So - let's just start with the fact that despite having been on mn for ages, and read all the posts that sound very much like this one I'm about to write, I just somehow thought that I would be different. And I'm in the same shitty place as all those other women who thought their dh would never, in a million years, act like the other douchebags...

And even worse, I am 20 months into a separation and am only just now beginning to accept the situation. I am just in such pain and part of it is because I have been hoping all along that stbxh was just having a mid life crisis and would come to his senses before the plug was actually pulled. But I was wrong in a thousand ways.

Stbxh has been noticeably unhappy for about the past three years, since I turned 50. I knew this but he had been miserable for at least the 8 years before that - depressed at the failure of a business; I took on a counselling sort of role and we limped along for a bit. I knew he wasn't happy but assumed it was with his life, which was not going the way he wanted it to. I thought it was a rough patch we were going through - busy with the children and the demands of jobs etc. I was hoping that with DD off to uni and DS starting college we would have a bit more time together to concentrate more on the relationship and could come closer together again.

Because when we first met I just fell so deeply in love, it felt so magical, and I have been trying all this time to get it back to that. I'm not mourning the relationship as it was in the past few years, but it's so hard to let go of the memory of how it was when it started. I couldn't even begin to count up the number of self-help books and websites and mantras I've taken on and I know that 'the man I'm divorcing is not the man I married' - that's because the man I married would not have had an utterly predictable affair with a woman ten years younger than me and then lied all about it, the whole time, avoiding having sex with me because of his ED but taking Viagra to be with her, would not have cried about the therapy he was having that he said was all about the silly mistakes that he made that should never have broken our marriage up (but were all about how he wanted to be with her - ironically she broke it off with him because she caught him in a lie, and he has been obsessed with getting her back while telling me he wanted to change). He would not have been telling me that he thought he would regret breaking the marriage up somewhere down the line, telling me about his counselling, and all the while obsessing about one other woman and sexting yet another one...

I feel like a fool but I so wanted to believe him and to believe in him. On the weekend I found out as much of the truth, finally, as I needed to know to accept that this has been a lie for years and that any intimations of regret were just to keep me from causing a fuss. But I am so mourning the loss of my family and of that man who I now know was a fantasy - and how do you mourn a fantasy without feeling like an idiot?

Tonight we had the first discussion that was based on any kind of truth. As soon as I found out about the affair he drove the 80 miles to where she lives (where we used to live, when it started, I suppose) and told me he'd only be back if she didn't accept him back. I was here looking after our son (he is normally the resident parent) and there was no comeback to that. He stayed out; I imagine he told her he'd finally told me about them (though in fact I found out and confronted him, I don't know how long it would have taken otherwise). Since then he has been to the bank to try to close the joint account, appointed a solicitor, and talked to his work about taking early retirement so he can move to be with her.

We've been married for almost 20 years. Our son has 18 months of college left; I would have stayed but got the chance of a funded study position elsewhere, stbxh was working locally, and so we decided he would be the one in the house looking after our son and I would move. Now stbxh is saying his mental state is precarious and he is not sure how he will cope staying in the area for 18 months. If I have to move back to look after our son during his A-levels I will have to do it but it will impact very negatively on my studies, perhaps funding, etc.

If I'd known about the affair from the beginning I would have thought twice about taking the funded position. So many things could have been more sensibly worked through. But the lies have not only caused me to wonder if there was hope for our relationship; they have meant I have missed time waiting for him to 'come to his senses' when I could have been moving on. I could have been preparing the DCs better instead of trying to keep everybody happy by playing happy families. I could have come to terms with much sooner with who it was I actually married instead of the fantasy man I thought I had. The lies have turned me into a crazy person, trying to fit information that only half fit into stories that I tried to believe in.

I know I'm an idiot but that's what lies do to you. I'm just looking for some hand holding I guess, and people to tell me it gets better and people can learn to trust again.

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DevelopingDetritus · 24/02/2017 10:53

You sound like you've got a good sense of humour, you'll need it too! Never lose that.
Well, the shagging, that won't be too difficult will it!? Go to a nightclub with your mates or online dating.
true, loyal, and perhaps romantic and giving partner that's the hard bit but in the mean time......

Esoteric · 24/02/2017 10:59

I totally get you, in a similar place at moment, except withoutOW, but one from a long time ago, what you say about mourning the person you married , not the one now, is so very true. I wanted that person back who would have killed for me, not twisted the knife . Incredibly upsetting

hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 11:00

I'm funny as fuck.

I'm trying OLD - it's a zoo. And sadly, like many others in my situation, living in a situation where we feel unloved for extended periods, I do have issues with esteem and believing I'm desirable. Though, charmingly, in the "everything out in the open" conversation, he managed to tell me that I was the best sex he'd ever had, and admit that he'd thought of trying to see if he could get me into bed. I only say this as I'm enjoying imagining your head-shaking and violent laughter and vomit faces.

I see my lesbian friends looking pityingly at me all the time. It's a shame. I want to believe that men aren't inherently faulty but the data isn't stacking up.

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hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 11:02

Esoteric it's the killer, isn't it? Like I say, the OW is just an additional tiny piece of pain. The real pain is adjusting the vision you held of someone for so long. And continually wondering if there was a single part of it that was true. I'm sorry it's happening for you too.

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DevelopingDetritus · 24/02/2017 11:18

I'm enjoying imagining your head-shaking and violent laughter and vomit faces. Grin right enough.
Are the OLD just too scary/weird/dangerous for a quick shag then?

hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 11:26

Well...firstly I think I actually carried my marriage vows very deep in my body, so although my mind could see the marriage was over, my body simply felt revulsion for anyone else. For a long time I doubt I could have let myself be touched by anyone. I think that is leaving me but I have no idea how far along I am. And recoiling from someone nice just because you have ishoos is not a nice thing to do to someone.

Secondly, although I am not gorgeous, I am not attracted to the many men in my area who look like Dobby's older, grubbier brother. And the ones who don't look like that appear to not like me. I've lost weight in the past 3 years and now am about a size 14 I suppose, but with comedy panto breasts. I think there is something in the adage that what women most fear about meeting someone in OLD is that they will be a rapist or murderer, and what men most fear is that the woman will be fat. So...bit of a Catch-22.

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DevelopingDetritus · 24/02/2017 11:42

Grin it's true, the men seem to be looking for women 10-15 years younger than themselves.
I'm in the midst of this ATM myself, he's older than me, which put me off to start with but he's wooing me just nicely thank you very much, so I'm coming around to the idea.
The OLD, is it a pay for site? Not that I'm an expert on the matter but at least if they've paid towards it hopefully they're a bit more committed.
I don't think that's all true about the fat comment is it, there's plenty of men with a few extra pounds out there for sure. Size 14 is a good size btw.
You're too hard on yourself "comedy panto breast", Men have comedy panto balls from the get go anyhoo.

DevelopingDetritus · 24/02/2017 11:45

*when you said Dobby, I thought you meant the horse, I've just looked it up, the Harry Potter character Grin

EightiethElement · 24/02/2017 11:52

RE OLD, I have been dating OLD for about 18 months and the only thing resembling a relationship (at least where we both tried to begin with) he was 7 years older. I'm seeing somebody now who is only 3 years older thankfully. Early days. He has been the most attentive so far. So. men in their 50s may send endless messages to women 15 years younger than themselves but unless they could give George Clooney a good run they are 90% ignored, and if one or two go on a first date with them, the women don't want a second date. So don't despair and don't resign yourself to a life of dating 65 year olds. Ha ha. I'd just stay in. I find that 80% of the rejection after first date is my own, partly because men are so deluded (imo) about who they will leave the house to meet up with. ykwim.

EightiethElement · 24/02/2017 11:56

DevelopingDetritus, on the pay site I was on (briefly) I found that the men were the most entitled to a younger woman. I went on a date with a hideous article, 7 years older than me which is my limit, so he'd have had to have been absolutely charming and funny and so on, but he was as dull as dishwater and couldn't stop coughing. Yuck. But the point was, he acted like he could do 'better'. The worst date I've been on by far. And it was early on. SO glad I didn't allow him to become The Ambassador for all men doing OLD''. I have my real age up but I have notes up on my photos like ''dinner with friends July 2016'' so that it's obviously not an old photo.

hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 12:08

Absolutely, the number of Shrek profiles that say something "profound" like, "no-one over size 12 please, I just do not find that body size attractive I'm afraid", and you think, but you look like you have yesterday's gravy dribbled over your shirt and a shampoo aversion, plus do you not see that you are punching well above your weight anyway? I would agree that they seem to go for younger women, but given that OW is 10 years younger than me, as was (I think) the sexting woman, it seems to be working for a fair few of them. Who the 40-something men are knobbing I am at a loss to say. £0-something women? It's like a Fibonacci sequence race to the bottom. But it seems to work for the penile-owning part of the population.

YY Harry Potter Dobby. It's a very common look where I'm from. With extra grease and fag ash.

I don't even mind the idea of older, xh already looked like he was my dad. Haven't paid for a site, can't afford it, all my money goes on train fares between the homes.

Thanks for breast encouragement, but literally every time I convince myself it's just exaggeration on my part, somebody says, "Christ! Look at the size of your rack!" So - actually I'm not sure I am being too hard on myself Grin

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hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 12:10

sigh 30-something women shift key fail

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hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 12:12

It's another sore point actually because I was due to have a reduction but that money ended up going on carpets and a new boiler for the house I'm not living in but may be forced back into

That faint odour of irony is just everywhere

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DevelopingDetritus · 24/02/2017 12:35

Grin you both are so funny.
Yes, I noticed there's old and there's OLD, I'm not talking wrinkles, they just look old fashioned.

EightiethElement · 24/02/2017 12:52

I hope that humour is in your profile hareinthemoon Wine
I know what you mean that it's working for some of them, but my xh looks good on paper but he is so mean and bad tempered and so closed to any of the things that interest me, if he takes a 30 something with low self esteem off the market, he's doing me a service.

hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 13:00

See - I have actually seen my xh's dating profile. Some howling lies in there. And I recognise that this is how he sees himself...it sounds good on paper, yes.

Humour is indeed on my profile. The jury's out on whether openly listing being funny (they can get competitive over this, can't they?), over 50, not waif-like, and intelligent, is actually weeding out the ones I don't want to meet anyway, or simply stacking the cards against me to the point of disappearance.

I don't know why I've bothered saying so much on my profile anyway. So many of them don't seem to be able to read.

And I don't mean read Ulysses, I actually just mean read.

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EightiethElement · 24/02/2017 16:11

I add men with good profiles to my favourites. If i had 8 men to my favourites (age range 46 - 53 ) then maybe half will reply.
I no l9nger get upset if i dont hear from them. I met one guy at meet up vegan thing and he recognised me came over to me for a chat and said 'oh i could see you live in south londond and I live in north london.
I dont reply to 50 somethings still 'open' to having children. I dated a man a bit younger, hardly a toy boy, he was 42, but he had no kids and want3d them and he was not finding it especially easy to line up dates with women still of CB age. He didnt say that exactly, it leaked out. He was 6' as well.

Everybody on line is 5'6 or freakishly tall! Im short and i sigh when i get a message from somebody of 6'3 . We'd look like the undateables on their first date!

hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 21:09

I've been doing that. I don't care if they don't reply either, and have had a lot of exchanges that go for 5-6 exchanges and then I just think, nah. I'm lucky if I see any that make me perk up at all, really.

I'm fussier than you. I don't rate men in their 50s who list that they are looking for anyone under 40 really. How short are you? I like em tall. But I'm 5'4.

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hareinthemoon · 24/02/2017 21:11

Anyway just been out with one of my dearest friends, who actually was there when I met xh. She's horrified. I like it when the girl pack get their claws out. But really, it took me forever to see that he was being a bastard and I feel like I have some catching up to do.

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EightiethElement · 25/02/2017 07:59

Im 5'2 and I prefer tallish in theory. I once clicked on show interest by accident. It sends a smiley face. I thought shiìit. Because altho id been looking at his profile id seen he was 5'7" and i thought that probably means 5'4"!! But i ended up going on what i thought was a great date with him. He was not shorter. He had presence. I felt chemistry. He was smart, funny, warm..... had consciously uncoupled from his wife. He had hobbies, friends, a life.... we arranged a second date and then he cancelled it. Sad
So.... i learnt i can def 'feeeel it" for a shorter man. And also that maybe i wasn't dating the type i wanted cos men of 6' have more options so they become more entitled.... saying that, up til now, the only three men ive dated long enough to get horizontal with have all been tall but the one ive been on a couple of dates with, he is 5'7 as well. He added me to facebbook immediately (so nothing he plans to hide from me and he doent need to hide me from somebody else(s). The last 3 never added me on facebook! I like the transparency.

That was a bit disjointed. I mean this guy seems like a good guy so after 18 months of OLD i wont throw him back for being shorter than my fantasy man.

Vegansnake · 25/02/2017 08:06

Don't let anything impact yr studies..you will need to earn money ..he can sort yr son out...don't back down

hareinthemoon · 25/02/2017 08:08

I don't have a fantasy man Sad

I'm feeling really down today. I'm 53, I gave this marriage everything (including all the inheritance I'm ever going to have) and I feel and think I'm going to walk away with nothing.

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hareinthemoon · 25/02/2017 08:09

I hear what you're saying, but how can I not look after my son it it's obvious he's not going to?

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EightiethElement · 25/02/2017 08:14

Sorry I didn't mean that you had a FM. That came out wrong. I was being fussy myself.

It gets easier. Your split is so fresh. It is the adjusting that is the hardest part. How you feel now is not your future. Brew

hareinthemoon · 25/02/2017 08:29

Thanks Eightieth, mine came out wrong I think. I meant I'd love to have an idea of what I'd like in a man, but it's evading me atm. Plus, you know, 18 years with a literal FM - may be something I should try not to do in future. I'm glad it's working out for you. I like to hear the good stories.

Thank you for reminding me that I won't always feel this way. I'm just so scared about money and about how I could go about securing my working future, and I felt that before the latest fuckery.

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