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DH's inappropriate texting. What do you think?

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Somethinglady9 · 07/02/2017 23:23

DH and I used to live in Paris and we own a flat in Paris and we have tenants - a young woman who is probably late twenties and her boyfriend. (I am early 30s and DH is 40.)

DH went on business to Paris last week. He checked on our flat, checked the tenants were happy, organised some repairs and went to his business meetings. We have had these tenants for five years and DH had always dealt with them, so he has the relationship with them.

He got back tonight and as soon as he came through the door said he wanted me to read a wats app conversation he'd had with the female tenant so that he and I had "no secrets." Turns out the female tenant's boyfriend was away the whole time he was there, so they had, had a couple of drinks together.

So the wats app conversation was a follow on from their drink. Apparently she was having problems with her boyfriend and had confided in him about it. He had told her that he was missing us (me and the DC) so it was a sort of mutual drowning of sorrows and a follow up to their chat.

Then there was another meeting organised with her, DH and mine and DH's good friend who visited him there for a few days. So there was the organising of that drink, times, places, literally a blow by blow of the minutae of what they are doing. "Getting dressed now," "on my way," "just leaving the gym have to have a shower." Hardly formal tenant/landlord conversation but not inappropriate. Then presumably they have the drink with mine and DH's mutual friend.

Then later that night she wats apps again"are you up?" Etc "it was good to talk to you about my problems." Anyway this turns into a full on counselling session where DH is telling her she's young and good looking and could meet someone better. This is arguably, also interspersed with him sending her pics of our DC and saying how much he loves his family.

Then it gets to a point where she says "just come over. I've got booze and cocaine." From what I can see DH turns her down - "I'm too tired, sorry. Besides I think if you want to save your relationship it's probably not the best idea for you to be inviting men over like that." Then from the looks of things she's called him crying and they've had a phone chat with her begging him to come over.

Then back to wats apps - and this is the bit I'm having trouble with - he says "drink some water, go to bed, touch yourself if you can't sleep! Goodnight xxx"

Then even later that night (early hours of the morning) she sends a picture of her cat, Which DH responds to (apparently he LOVED her cat when he visited her flat, to be fair, DH loves cats,) the chat continues all night until the morning and they are sending each other pictures of what they are eating for breakfast, the places they are going, what they are thinking (now unrelated to relationships just general "banter.")

And it ends today before he got on the flight.

I said, obviously this is inappropriate. I'm not going to leave you over it but it's inappropriate and you have to acknowledge how it is inappropriate and then we can move on. He also can't explain why he told her to touch herself. He says it was just a joke.

He is now annoyed with me for not having the reaction he expected. He said he thought I would find it funny (?!) and he is sulking and saying he wishes he had deleted it and not been so honest.

DH has a very low guilt threshold so I know he showed it to me out of guilt despite what he says. But now I am feeling a bit confused and conflicted. DH wants to forget about it as quickly as possible (of course.)

What do you think I should do from here?

OP posts:
Naicehamshop · 08/02/2017 19:35

Definitely take over the management of this tenancy. Make it very clear that he is not going over there again, as he has shown himself not to be trustworthy.

As for the "touch yourself" comment ... I would be absolutely disgusted.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 08/02/2017 19:38

Are you okay with her having drugs in your property?

Notwhatiexpected · 08/02/2017 19:42

Sorry, it sounds to me like a really bad case of mentionitis. The message showing, (which could be edited) the messages you heard etc, it seems to me to be an overkill smokescreen.

If you speak to her then she would lie and it would feed her ego. I would pretend to believe him, and keep a very close eye on what he does next.

P1nkP0ppy · 08/02/2017 19:47

I'm just waiting for him to start blaming you for what went on op Hmm, that's the only bit missing.
It's beyond inappropriate, it's quite frankly sleazy, and I wouldn't trust him an inch.

AnyFucker · 08/02/2017 19:49

Pineapple, you might be happy with micro managing grown men who I assume are perfectly adequate at handling their own social interactions when it doesn't involve sexually available young women, but I am not

AnyFucker · 08/02/2017 19:50

I'll tell you what we haven't had yet

"Do you think he could be on the spectrum ?" Hmm

Cuppaoftea · 08/02/2017 19:50

You've had these tenants five years and your DH has always had the relationship with them.

Some of her messages and reactions suggest a familiarity and more than that, an expectation that something would happen. Why would she be begging him to go round if there was nothing previous between them?

Have there been other Paris visits where the boyfriend's been away? Did you know it was just her in the flat this time before your DH got home? Is it that her relationship's in trouble that has spooked your DH, the fact she might be expecting more than what was previously 'secret fun'. Might tell her boyfriend and it could have come back to you.

This visit the night of the 'touch yourself' comment I would suspect at least phone sex if he didn't actually physically go round.

I'd consider telling him to stay elsewhere while you think things over. That you'll be prepared to listen when he drops his defensiveness and is completely honest with you.

SparklyMagpie · 08/02/2017 19:51

Christinayangstwistedsista this alone would be a deal changer for me if I knew my tenant was doing this

Christinayangstwistedsista · 08/02/2017 19:56

AF

There's time yet

JigglyTuff · 08/02/2017 19:56

The drugs thing - meh. Clearly the DH doesn't have an issue with it or she wouldn't have suggested it.

But the intimacy and hours and hours of whatsapping is totally crossing a line. As is his utter failure to reply to her offer of sex (let's be grown up - that's what she was offering) with a reminder that he is a happily married man. Saying he is too tired is keeping his foot in the door.

So you were at home, looking after his home and his kids, while he was crossing a line with another woman.

pineapplesplit - you may have been stupid (although were you married with kids at the time?) - the OP's DH is a bilingual businessman who gets sent to Paris for work for a week. He is not thick - I'd imagine he's quite highly paid.

OP - I would be fucking furious and tell him to piss off for a bit while you think about what to do.

SuperFlyHigh · 08/02/2017 20:16

The voice message is a red herring, anyone can send that message as voicemail as it is designed to put you off guard, when she's received that (or she even suggested he rang and left that message) all she has to do is ignore it or they both agree it's been sent... And ignore it.

I think if anything it was a mish mash of stuff that happened from what he's shown OP, but when she rang him crying he probably did go over and stay the night and they DTD. It all adds up...

Wouldn't surprise me at all if there's another business trip maybe not Paris etc...

I know what I would do personally and certainly wouldn't keep his lying arse in the house, despite having DC.

Somethinglady9 · 08/02/2017 20:22

Re: the drugs. Obviously that's not okay but we need the money at the moment and we actually couldn't financially bridge a gap in tenancy if we chucked them out and advertised for someone else. That'll be something to consider once we're a bit more liquid.

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mysteriouscurle · 08/02/2017 20:31

Im a bit gobsmacked that this interaction with 20 - something paris lady is fine in is eyes yet he objects to you for having coffee with a male friend he doesnt like.Sad Clearly you are subject to different rules than him. Please think about that somethinglady9

Cuppaoftea · 08/02/2017 20:41

Then his meddling with the female tenant is even worse Op as I wouldn't be at all surprised if you're contacted in the coming weeks to say they've split and one or both want to give notice.

Is paying a letting agent out of the question too? Which would leave you having to deal with her. So many boundaries crossed by your DH, what a mess.

Hrre · 08/02/2017 20:41

The thing about touching herself would be enough to make me consider leaving him. What was said in these phone conversations?

jobanana · 08/02/2017 20:56

Sthglady - I really absolutely wasn't mocking - I'm sorry if it came across like that - it all sounds stupid sometimes on here : (

I get the importance of the detail that his default response in any situation where he may be perceived as at fault is annoyed and defensive. I think it's a bit odd he said he told a friend she'd made a pass, but he didn't exactly tell you that. My thoughts on how it's run are:

She was all over the place. He looked nice and solid. She poured her heart out. She's young and currently unhinged. He tried the usual clear signals that it's no-go - pics of kids, talking about you, even talking about how he'd be jealous about you if you were behaving like her, etc. She was too far gone in every way to pick up on the hint and just threw herself at him - sex, booze, drugs, breakfast pics, calls, cats.

He had just been responding, trying to do it in the right way, and suddenly hey it was all wrong. He was a bit too empathetic really. And when he took stock and saw the whole horror of it and where it seemed to have spiralled, he showed you it all. Completely. All. And you said erm, wtf?

Personally I would say ok you know what you have to do - never ever speak to her or respond to her again, even if she is dying in the gutter. Then I'd give him a big kiss and say ok you were just trying to be nice and it's ok but still wtf and never go there ever again and never be 'kind' to any random fucked up mad young women again.

I think it'll be ok. I think it is ok.

SuperFlyHigh · 08/02/2017 20:58

Cuppa I agree with your earlier post re familiarity in the texts/what's apps...

DH and the female tenant seem quite familiar... Even before this visit.

jobanana · 08/02/2017 20:58

And the touching thing - I think he was trying to be empathetic in a cool way and it went v v badly wrong. Seriously. He showed it to you. It's OK.

SuperFlyHigh · 08/02/2017 20:59

jobanana I think you're way off here and being a bit too trusting!

I think all the breakfast texts etc hint at something has happened... No matter how small.

forfucksakenet · 08/02/2017 21:04

He's a bit of aplonker but I wouldn't be too worried. If he had hidden it I would have been.

A flat in Paris 😍.
Wonder if there's a French mumsnet?

beansbananas · 08/02/2017 21:05

Sounds like he was flattered and tempted, but I don't think he did anything more than dangerous flirting. You would never had suspected anything of going on, so I just don't see why he would have told you about it unless he was telling you the truth. But he has definitely crossed a line... was the photo of the cat a euphemism?! How long have you been married? I am sure we've all had times where we've been flattered into flirting, but this was a very sexual comment to make to his tenant. I would insist that she has to move out, and make him grovel for a very long time. But I don't think this would make me throw away a marriage. I'd also go and get my hair done and treat myself to a new outfit, and basically show him what he was at risk of losing.

Ellisandra · 08/02/2017 21:10

Jesus wept.
A woman shouldn't have to do her hair nicely and be a dress up doll to keep her husband faithful Hmm

JigglyTuff · 08/02/2017 21:15

Is it me or are there a lot of minimising posts on this thread all by people with the word 'banana' in their usernames Hmm

SandyY2K · 08/02/2017 21:15

OP,
I feel like some posters are making you feel worse about this than you already do, but perspective is important.

He crossed a line
He clearly got too familiar with her in a short time
And I don't really understand why he and the mutual friend went out with her.

Maybe that's what made her think he was interested.

So if he had any sense, what he'd do now is apologise for allowing it to get where it did and shut it down in an instant should such a thing happen again, with her or any other woman.

My parents have had rental years and over time, they have been friendly with some of the tenants.

My DF has gone there on his own and I recall one particular tenant always pouring out her problems to them/him.

He got fed up with it and insisted that my DM had to come with him after that.

But my DF has learnt after trying to be a rescue ranger in the past.

I don't think it was any more than that with your DH. He's been very open after the incident and he could have kept it to himself. I'm not saying he deserves a gold medal, but you can work through this, if he's not so stubborn to accept he let it escalate, when it could have been nipped in the bud.... And the appropriate response would be "I'm not coming over because I'm married.", not because he was tired.

SuperFlyHigh · 08/02/2017 21:16

I think that's just a coincidence Jiggly!