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He married me to have PR

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HannahBanana3 · 02/02/2017 23:22

I am going to make the story as short as possible...

We met for less than half a year when we find out we were pregnant. I was in that stage were you are absolutely in love and think that everything is wonderful when I find out and I believed he felt the same way. At the beginning he told me not to worry, that everything will be okay. Then he started to tell me we have ruined his life and other "bad words" I don´t want to repeat so I told him not to worry, that I could raise him on my own or that we would find a way. But then he said that he wanted us. Some times he makes me feel like he really loves me but some other times I feel like he hates me.

Because of his behavior and the fact that he did not wanted to introduce me to his family, I decided to leave to my home town abroad because I did not wanted to face all that was coming on my own, I was not feeling safe. He made me promise I would marry him, that he wanted us to be a family. I agreed because I love him and we got married before our son was born, but recently I find out that he just married me to have PR. I don´t know if he loves me or not.

He said to me that he no longer cares about me feeling safe and that he would do anything to be with our child (at the moment I still in home town and he is back to his). But I don´t know if a marriage like this (on his side, or at least that is how I feel) would be good for the baby? I don´t know if I am being selfish for wanting to feel safe or expecting to be happy when moving with him? I don´t want to make wrong decisions since its not just my life but our baby´s life as well

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Atenco · 03/02/2017 16:48

I am not the person to answer that. You would want to phone the British Embassy.

user1483300717 · 03/02/2017 18:13

Atenco- how where can I find the thread you mentioned? Thanks
Good luck OP just do not leave DH alone with DC if he visits. You are safe in your country it's just if your DHL gets your baby out the country then you will have problems. At this point you don't have to worry too much just be very careful. Here we have prohibited steps order from the court to stop dh leaving the country with dc.

SolomanDaisy · 03/02/2017 18:16

No, he can't do the apostille in the UK, as it has to be done by the document's country of origin. Depending on Colombia's system he may be able to apply by post and have it mailed to him in the UK though. You need to check how your government does it. It is mandatory and he will have to have it done to get the passport.

SolomanDaisy · 03/02/2017 18:19

There is no such thing as applying for British nationality. Your child already has it through their father, if they are eligible. You can do an additional registration of the birth in the UK or apply for a British passport but neither are necessary and your child could still apply for a British passport as an adult.

user1483300717 · 03/02/2017 18:24

OP even if he gets the documents he will not get custody of your baby. The court will never allow it unless the baby was living in UK. And if he manages to get pass port without your consent I'm sure it's fraud but I could be wrong as you are married.
He would also have to apply for custody in the child's country of residence.

user1483300717 · 03/02/2017 18:26

I know for the USA you have to register the birth if child is born abroad before their 18th birthday in order for them to become American and get American passport. It may be different in the UK.

tipsytrifle · 03/02/2017 18:43

Apologies if i'm being dense but why would you want your child to have a british passport if you and dc are going/prefer to stay in Colombia? Or is this something to prevent obnoxious and deceptive (x)h from gaining custody?

What are the religious/civic rules about divorcing/annulling marriage to someone who marries for PR in your country OP?

Way out of my depth here for advice other than to hold onto your child and be aware he intends to take your child. Forget romantic love for him altogether, this isn't it. Fight to keep your baby. That much seems clear to me.

SandyY2K · 03/02/2017 20:56

Stay in Colombia and file for a divorce or an annulment. Do not listen to his lies

He can visit you if he wants to see his child.

Atenco · 03/02/2017 21:59

There is no such thing as applying for British nationality

I'm not certain as many years ago now I did have to apply on behalf of my dd and if I remember rightly there was a time limit on it.

Atenco · 03/02/2017 22:02

why would you want your child to have a british passport

There are lots of reasons. You seldom have trouble travelling with a British passport, whereas a Colombian passport can be seriously problematic. When said child becomes an adult they may have reason to want to work in the UK, etc. etc.

Atenco · 03/02/2017 22:06

By the way, OP, if it is an consolation, I'm sure Colombian airports ask for proof that the other parent has given their permission for your child to travel, unlike UK airports.

But that is another reason you would want to look into ways of removing his PR in the future, otherwise there will be no foreign travel for your child until they turn 18

user1483300717 · 03/02/2017 22:53

She won't have to remove her child's furthers PR in order to travel. She only needs a residency order then she can travel with baby without furthers consent.
Plus a judge will never remove PR unless SERIOUS proven reasons not for easier travel.

user1483300717 · 03/02/2017 22:54

Fathers*

BoomBoomsCousin · 04/02/2017 00:09

OP's husband is a British citizen born in the U.K., then the baby is automatically a British citizen and does not need to apply for citizenship (but will still need to apply for a passport). If the father is a British citizen by descent (that is, his parents were citizens) but he was born outside of the U.K., then he does not automatically pass on citizenship, and OP may have to apply for citizenship.

Who is a citizen automatically and who needs to apply is set out in this document from the home office:
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/583385/MN1_Guide_January_2017.pdf

Atenco · 04/02/2017 03:51

Plus a judge will never remove PR unless SERIOUS proven reasons not for easier travel

We are talking about the laws of Colombia not the laws of the UK. I do not know the laws of Colombia either, but in Mexico it is relatively easy to remove PR.

Atenco · 04/02/2017 03:55

And again, every country is different, but in Mexico you have to have the other parent's consent to take a child out of the country.

In fact, I wanted to fly back to Mexico with my Mexican born dd and they wanted a letter from her father, who was in Mexico, just to allow her to fly back there.

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HannahBanana3 · 04/02/2017 04:54

Thank you so much for all your answers and support, you made me feel somehow safe, better and strong

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SaucyDough · 04/02/2017 17:02

And again, every country is different, but in Mexico you have to have the other parent's consent to take a child out of the country.

In the UK, you have to have the other parent's permission to take a child out of the country for more than 90 days, but that will of course be different for Colombia.

NovemberInDailyFailLand · 04/02/2017 19:09

Hannah, according to this advice (we used it for our son as we were not sure) your son should be a British Citizen and you don't need to do anything to register this as you will have your marriage certificate and your estranged husband is on the birth certificate. His (your husband's) passport number would be handy.

www.gov.uk/check-british-citizen

Here we have the Colombian Embassy as well, in London, you could always contact them for advice if you need it.

It would seem that all you need for a British passport for your son is to apply in the usual way. It is very true that it is one of the most useful passports to have.

happypoobum · 04/02/2017 19:26

Sweetheart please don't leave Colombia. Just stay put with your family and your baby. Don't come to the UK, I think that would be a very foolish move.

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