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I'm a guy, and he's a guy. SO confused :(

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user1482148406 · 19/12/2016 11:56

Hi, I know this probably shouldn't be on mumsnet, but I need advice :( I'm not sure where else to go.

Just to say, I'm so sorry in advance for the length of this post, but I need to say everything.

Basically, I'm 23 and a guy, and he's 19. We became best mates at work. We've known each other for around 3 years - as best mates. One day, I got really down because I've always been single. He told me to tell him everything I was scared about. All of this was over Facebook messenger, and I told him everything from worrying about my looks, to worrying about sex, to worrying about my "size".

The conversation lasted around 7-8 hours... the longest chat I think I have ever had over Facebook messenger!

Basically, during the conversation, he told me I had nothing to worry about. He said I was handsome, and basically praised my personality and things, but this is where it changed. He said to me "Sometimes I get a twinge over you".

He's had a girlfriend in the past. I'm bisexual but have never told anyone. It was kind of a shock because I would never have expected him to say something like that. My next question to him was something like "you what?", and he said it again. He then told me sometimes he can't stop looking at my arse in work and it's "nice and peachy".

He then said to me that I should go around to his house. As I was only his best friend, I found this so weird.

Basically, one night in September, I went to his, and we kissed. He obviously enjoyed it, and I really enjoyed it too. I've always been single due to my low confidence so this was my first ever kiss in life (obviously I've kissed family and things, but I mean like a proper tongue kind of kiss).

Meeting up with him has now gone on for weeks. It's December, and is still happening. We have even been to a hotel and slept together - we've not had sex, but have done a lot of things.

BUT...

Last month when we were on a night out, I noticed a weird text from one of his mates (I know this friend of his, and I've always suspected he was gay - not that there is a problem with that). But the message popped up and it said something like "babe" and ended in a kiss. I immediately asked him what it was. He said "oh it's probably nothing or it's song lyrics or he sent it to me wrongly" but he would not show me the message because he said "I am not proving myself to you".

Ever since, I have been so worried he's speaking to that other guy. I'm friends with him on Facebook, and I notice they're online together a lot. If they both go offline, for both their accounts it will say for example "Active 3m ago" - looking like they've been chatting, and then have both gone offline - so they're not talking to anyone else.

The first few weeks we were meeting up, he'd message me things like "morning :)" and want a chat, or he'd send snapchats. It's stopped now though. I am always messaging him first. When we were just friends, I'd always have to message him first though. So for me to have to message him first, I guess that's normal.

I'm just worried sick - I get a dry throat, or my heart feels like it's racing, when I think about him being with someone else.

I asked to meet up with him to have a talk. He looked me in the eye and said "there is no one else". I always trusted him as a best friend. Like I would trust him with my life, or my bank balance (I'm a saver! haha). So in a way, I trust him. He then said to me "what would make you stop worrying?". I said I wanted to see his messages with that guy. He said "I am not proving myself to you. It makes me angry that you'd even think I was with someone else".

He then said to me "where would you like all of this to go?" - neither of us are out of the closet, and so I said "well, i'd like it all to go on for a bit, but I guess it will stop one day. I'd like to remain friends though".

I said to him "can I ask you the same question?"

He said "well, I really wanted a relationship with you".

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Thing is, I've left messaging him for 2 days now. He hasn't messaged me at all. If he liked me that much, wouldn't he have messaged me? Plus him and that guy are online together a lot, and go offline together a lot. It's not always like that, but it happens quite a bit.

I really don't know what to do?

Is he...

Not messaging me because he never messaged first as a friend anyway?

Seeing that other guy? But because that guy lives about 40 miles away, it's harder to see him so he's using me as his "experience", and he fancies that other guy instead?

Actually telling the truth, and wants me, but is he scared to come out? I'm scared of coming out, but if he wanted a relationship that bad, I'd announce it in minutes and be with him in a heartbeat. He's one of these "lad" guys, and has a lot of friends he goes with to watch football and I think he might think "oh they might disown me?"

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I can't stop thinking about him. He was my first kiss and he's just really lovely. He's brought my confidence out so much as a friend, and I love doing things with him now. I wake up with him on my mind, and he's basically on my mind all throughout the day.

What do I do? Do I forget about him or move on? Or do I ask him again about this relationship stuff? Or is he not messaging me because he'd rather message someone else? He tells me he doesn't want to stop doing anything and wants a relationship, but then I worry he doesn't actually want me?

Thank you so so so much and I'm sorry about the length of this.

Thank you!

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hellsbellsmelons · 20/12/2016 15:00

What ever happens with this guy, happens.
But from this you need to take something.
You can be whoever you want to be.
Don't shy away from who you are.
Definitely look into getting some counselling for your self-esteem.
This guy is 19 - that's very young.
I wouldn't be happy if my DD was wanting her forever relationship right now.
She has too many things she needs to see and do to settle down yet.
She's definitely not mature enough yet.
Work on yourself and then see where things take you.

user1482148406 · 20/12/2016 23:36

Thank you. He's replied to me, saying this...

Ohhhh my god🙈🙈 What a message! So beautiful and lovely!
I'd rather speak to you in person about this instead of message.
I feel utterly flattered to be the person you would be willing to 'come out' with.
Definitely in future it would be something that excites me....I think honestly I would rather keep it between us for now as I'm not ready to 'come out' at all yet 🙈😂
Hope you've had a good sleep and I will see you later when I'm in at work x

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I hope something works out! I have so many feelings for him. Can't wait to see him.

Thank you all so much, and again, sorry for using mumsnet! But thank you all so much for all of your responses. It's helped hugely x

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DeviTheGaelet · 20/12/2016 23:39

Yaaaaaay!! Well done :) Hope all goes well
And don't worry about asking on here! It's helped, right??

user1482148406 · 21/12/2016 00:11

It's helped a lot! Thank you :)

Does his response sound okay?

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Shakey15000 · 21/12/2016 06:42

It sounds fine! Lovely and deliciously positive.

NiceFalafels · 21/12/2016 06:57

Yes. It sounds positive.

NiceFalafels · 21/12/2016 06:59

unfounded jealously can break a relationship. Just have fun and enjoy his company

hellsbellsmelons · 21/12/2016 11:22

You are still apologising for nothing!
You are fine here!
Post away, we are happy to help where we can and we are happy to help anybody that needs it!
Take it one day at a time and enjoy it.
Don't focus too much on the future, just live in the moment.

user1482148406 · 22/12/2016 20:46

Thank you. I just panic because I message sometimes, he reads my messages, but doesn't reply. Always worry I annoy him or he doesn't actually want me. :(

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user1482148406 · 22/12/2016 21:03

He wouldn't have just messaged me the above if he didn't mean it would he?

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DeviTheGaelet · 22/12/2016 21:56

Chill out. You are way over thinking this. Just see what happens.

hellsbellsmelons · 22/12/2016 23:14

It takes me an age to respond to texts a lot of the time.
Nothing behind it at all.
Chill out!!!!!

user1482148406 · 23/12/2016 22:06

I overthink things way too much! :(

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user1482148406 · 23/12/2016 22:07

Also, thank you so much everyone! :)

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user1482148406 · 26/12/2016 22:01

I hope you've all had a great Christmas!

He told me he's not ready to 'come out' or have a relationship yet. But... he said to me today he wanted sex.

I said to him, I would want to be in a relationship first, but he just said he's not ready. Do you think he's with me just to 'try' things, or does he actually like me, and he's just genuinely not ready?

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DeviTheGaelet · 26/12/2016 22:24

I think if you don't want sex outside a relationship that's absolutely ok and you should stick to your boundaries. Doesn't matter if he wants to, if you are going to feel used if it turns out he doesn't want a relationship it isn't worth the risk.

TrippyMcTrapFace · 26/12/2016 22:25

So in your OP he'd already said to you that he 'wanted a relationship with you' .
But now he is saying that he doesn't want a relationship because he's not ready. Confused What do you think has changed?
So he doesn't want a relationship but he does want sex.
Sounds like he's sending mixed messages.
You wrote upthread that you love him. Shagging someone that you love but who only wants you for sex can seriously affect your self-esteem and general emotional health.

FatOldBag · 26/12/2016 22:27

Listen to what he's telling you, loud and clear, both in words and actions. He wants sex, he doesn't want a relationship. If you only have sex with him in the hope that a relationship develops, you will likely end up hurt and disappointed. It's great he's being honest with you - be honest with yourself about what you want and how compatible you two are in terms of what you're looking for. x

user1482148406 · 26/12/2016 22:45

He's said to me that he wants a relationship... but he's always said "not yet".

He said to me he wants sex... but to me, I just feel like I'd like to be in a relationship first before that.

He says he likes me and things but I think he's scared of coming out and that's why he doesn't want a relationship yet.

I think he wants to do 'relationship' things, but like privately and without announcing anything yet.

But how I feel... I don't want to like do more things with him, for him to basically walk off. I don't want to lose him... he was my best mate once.

I don't want us to have sex, for him to turn around and be saying "no actually" and then my hopes of a relationship will be gone.

I really don't know what to do and it's getting to the point where it's upsetting me a bit now.

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FatOldBag · 27/12/2016 15:09

Stay just friends then. Once he's ready for a relationship, you can think about it then. Right now just be careful not to hear what you want to hear. At the moment you want different things and that has heartbreak written all over it. It might be the right time with this guy at some point, but it isn't now. Don't put your life on pause for him, have fun, meet new people, and enjoy his company as a friend for now.

user1482148406 · 27/12/2016 22:41

@FatOldBag

He said he wants a relationship... but he said he's not ready to 'come out'. What about that?

I met up with him today, and he just seems like he likes me so much. We were watching TV and had our arms around each other and sat like that all relaxed for ages, and I just loved it.

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user1482148406 · 27/12/2016 22:42

I've never been in a relationship though, so don't really know what to think I guess.

I know I love him though. I get a weird (but nice) feeling inside everytime I see him.

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DeviTheGaelet · 27/12/2016 22:50

Well he is only 19. Have you asked who he's worried about coming out to? Work? Family? Friends? Maybe you could start with the safest.option

user1482148406 · 27/12/2016 22:56

I know. I'm 23, but a young 23. If you seen me, you'd only think I was 19/20 too. I don't act 23 at all.

I'm not 'out' yet either so totally understand. I did tell him though, without pressuring him, if he wanted a relationship, i'd come out immediately.

He likes going to watch football a lot, and I just know that he'd worry about what his football friends would think. Also he told me once about something his Grandad said about gay people.

I said to him though, that life is about finding happiness. I said I'd be terrified of coming out too, but if 2 people decided not to speak to me for any silly reason, I'd give up those 2 people for me to be happy with him.

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user1482148406 · 27/12/2016 22:56

(Thank you for all your responses by the way, and hope you all had a great Christmas!)

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