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I'm a guy, and he's a guy. SO confused :(

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user1482148406 · 19/12/2016 11:56

Hi, I know this probably shouldn't be on mumsnet, but I need advice :( I'm not sure where else to go.

Just to say, I'm so sorry in advance for the length of this post, but I need to say everything.

Basically, I'm 23 and a guy, and he's 19. We became best mates at work. We've known each other for around 3 years - as best mates. One day, I got really down because I've always been single. He told me to tell him everything I was scared about. All of this was over Facebook messenger, and I told him everything from worrying about my looks, to worrying about sex, to worrying about my "size".

The conversation lasted around 7-8 hours... the longest chat I think I have ever had over Facebook messenger!

Basically, during the conversation, he told me I had nothing to worry about. He said I was handsome, and basically praised my personality and things, but this is where it changed. He said to me "Sometimes I get a twinge over you".

He's had a girlfriend in the past. I'm bisexual but have never told anyone. It was kind of a shock because I would never have expected him to say something like that. My next question to him was something like "you what?", and he said it again. He then told me sometimes he can't stop looking at my arse in work and it's "nice and peachy".

He then said to me that I should go around to his house. As I was only his best friend, I found this so weird.

Basically, one night in September, I went to his, and we kissed. He obviously enjoyed it, and I really enjoyed it too. I've always been single due to my low confidence so this was my first ever kiss in life (obviously I've kissed family and things, but I mean like a proper tongue kind of kiss).

Meeting up with him has now gone on for weeks. It's December, and is still happening. We have even been to a hotel and slept together - we've not had sex, but have done a lot of things.

BUT...

Last month when we were on a night out, I noticed a weird text from one of his mates (I know this friend of his, and I've always suspected he was gay - not that there is a problem with that). But the message popped up and it said something like "babe" and ended in a kiss. I immediately asked him what it was. He said "oh it's probably nothing or it's song lyrics or he sent it to me wrongly" but he would not show me the message because he said "I am not proving myself to you".

Ever since, I have been so worried he's speaking to that other guy. I'm friends with him on Facebook, and I notice they're online together a lot. If they both go offline, for both their accounts it will say for example "Active 3m ago" - looking like they've been chatting, and then have both gone offline - so they're not talking to anyone else.

The first few weeks we were meeting up, he'd message me things like "morning :)" and want a chat, or he'd send snapchats. It's stopped now though. I am always messaging him first. When we were just friends, I'd always have to message him first though. So for me to have to message him first, I guess that's normal.

I'm just worried sick - I get a dry throat, or my heart feels like it's racing, when I think about him being with someone else.

I asked to meet up with him to have a talk. He looked me in the eye and said "there is no one else". I always trusted him as a best friend. Like I would trust him with my life, or my bank balance (I'm a saver! haha). So in a way, I trust him. He then said to me "what would make you stop worrying?". I said I wanted to see his messages with that guy. He said "I am not proving myself to you. It makes me angry that you'd even think I was with someone else".

He then said to me "where would you like all of this to go?" - neither of us are out of the closet, and so I said "well, i'd like it all to go on for a bit, but I guess it will stop one day. I'd like to remain friends though".

I said to him "can I ask you the same question?"

He said "well, I really wanted a relationship with you".

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Thing is, I've left messaging him for 2 days now. He hasn't messaged me at all. If he liked me that much, wouldn't he have messaged me? Plus him and that guy are online together a lot, and go offline together a lot. It's not always like that, but it happens quite a bit.

I really don't know what to do?

Is he...

Not messaging me because he never messaged first as a friend anyway?

Seeing that other guy? But because that guy lives about 40 miles away, it's harder to see him so he's using me as his "experience", and he fancies that other guy instead?

Actually telling the truth, and wants me, but is he scared to come out? I'm scared of coming out, but if he wanted a relationship that bad, I'd announce it in minutes and be with him in a heartbeat. He's one of these "lad" guys, and has a lot of friends he goes with to watch football and I think he might think "oh they might disown me?"

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I can't stop thinking about him. He was my first kiss and he's just really lovely. He's brought my confidence out so much as a friend, and I love doing things with him now. I wake up with him on my mind, and he's basically on my mind all throughout the day.

What do I do? Do I forget about him or move on? Or do I ask him again about this relationship stuff? Or is he not messaging me because he'd rather message someone else? He tells me he doesn't want to stop doing anything and wants a relationship, but then I worry he doesn't actually want me?

Thank you so so so much and I'm sorry about the length of this.

Thank you!

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Nicknameofawesome · 19/12/2016 18:54

Your op says

He said "well, I really wanted a relationship with you".

Later on you say you'd love a relationship with him. Just decide and TELL HIM. You both need to be honest or everything is pointless.

Nicknameofawesome · 19/12/2016 18:57

It's perfectly fine and normal to say "look this is super scary for me but I want a relationship too. I was scared to tell you and I'm scared to do this but I really want it."

If he already knows your insecurities he won't be surprised that you are scared. Hell all relationships are scary. You gave them together and the way you get through is by talking properly. Be blunt, be honest and be yourself.

JustSpeakSense · 19/12/2016 19:02

I think you are probably overthinking things, and I think he probably is too. If you could just sit down and have a very honest discussion (even if it's not what you want to hear) at least you would know where you stand.

Bambamrubblesmum · 19/12/2016 19:04

What should you do? ....

This!

After all it is Christmas - go for it!

user1482148406 · 19/12/2016 19:06

I didn't realise I was giving him mixed messages.

I just didn't tell him I wanted a relationship because I was scared of his reaction and didn't want to lose him as a friend.

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ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 19/12/2016 19:10

This relationship business is so difficult. I think you've both had a bit of a wobble and read too much into who's messaging who and so on.
Just go and knock on his door and song his face off Grin

Disclaimer: I'm not a relationship expert. Smile

FatOldBag · 19/12/2016 19:13

I'm going to go against the grain here, this guy doesn't seem into you. A few times you've told him he could make you feel secure in his relationship by showing you those admittedly dodgy looking texts, and he's refused. Not only the texts are suspicious but also his online activity with this other guy. It's totally normal to fall for someone and everything seems amazing at the beginning and being with them makes you feel good. But when being with them makes you feel insecure and sad, and you're wondering how interested they are and when the next text is going to be, then it's not good. I think you should see it as it was, a bit of fun for both of you while it lasted, but not working anymore. A relationship where everything is on his terms and you're not allowed to express insecurity without him threatening to end it (ie "Well I DID want a relationship" - translation: I don't like what you're saying so maybe I don't want a relationship now'). If he wants a relationship with you then his actions should show it. He can't just disrespect you and make you feel bad and insecure and then just throw you a few kind words on occasion to keep you hanging on, that's awful. Anyway, that's just my perspective on this, but my advice would be to pay attention to his actions, not words, and notice how you are feeling most of the time in this relationship.

By the way mumsnet isn't just for mums, everyone comes on here, so welcome and feel free to stick around.

DeviTheGaelet · 19/12/2016 19:13

Oh dear :(
I too think cards on the table. You essentially told him he was just a shag. You should say what you said in your layer message, that you are happy to be out in a relationship with h8m and you were scared to say in case you scared him off.
Good luck! It sounds like you are both crazy about each other so hopefully this is a blip you will laugh about in years to come

ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 19/12/2016 19:17

go and knock on his door and song his face off

Obviously, I meant snog his face off. Don't sing in his face, he 'll think you're weird. Grin

user1482148406 · 19/12/2016 19:26

With him not messaging me though, I'm worried I pushed him away.

I didn't mean to say "obviously it will stop" and I didn't mean I wanted him just to kiss him and do things with him.

I was just too scared to say I wanted a relationship. When I see him i get this weird beating thing with my heart and I just love him.

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hoddtastic · 19/12/2016 19:30

i think there are loads of places that you could get advice, what is it recently with the influx of young men with problems?

SarcasmMode · 19/12/2016 19:36

I think he's flirting with the other guy as you don't want a relationship, so keeping his options open. Which is fine if he is honest about it - but he is not.

Don't feel like you have to come out - but there's nothing wrong with being gay. If you want to be in a relationship then why not be?

If it's others around you, don't live your life always trying to please them.

user1482148406 · 19/12/2016 19:47

I think we're both scared of coming out as bi. I can't see him for a few days due to work, but I'll send him a long message I think.

I really want to be with him.

Thank you for all your help

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PollytheDolly · 19/12/2016 19:51

Hiya!
Why are you apologising for coming here for advice?
You sound lovely and I hope it all works out for you.

Keep us posted please Smile

BlueNeighbourhood · 19/12/2016 20:50

I think in my experience it shouldn't be this hard - four months into something and he's already got you going crazy.

I'm sure from the eight hour Facebook conversation he's well aware of all your insecurities and the whole not showing you his texts was a way of keeping you guessing and keeping him in control.

I'd say you need to speak to him, you were brace enough to want to have a face to face conversation about the texts so why not about this? Tell him you need to know what he wants and you put your cards on the table too. It's the only way to move forward.

But it does sound like so much hard work, usually you're both in the first stages of finding everything freaking amazing about each other rather than spending days not talking after four months!

user1482148406 · 19/12/2016 22:54

Thank you.

I've just sent him a 1,231 worded message on Facebook saying all my thoughts and feelings.

It ended with this...

"You are a seriously nice person, inside and out. Life is way too short, and I’d really really love to make this work now. I’m more than ready. Please let me know how you want to go forward, if you would still like to!

See you soon x"

:)

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Cricrichan · 19/12/2016 23:33

Good luck op xx

springydaffs · 19/12/2016 23:35

You just sound like the loveliest person. Just saying. He'd be lucky to have you.

I also think he's mucking about a bit - why wouldn't he show you those messages to the other bloke? I think his reasons aren't sound.

(I'd also be worried about all your heart all over the internet. Sorry.)

springydaffs · 19/12/2016 23:35

And of course you should post on here!

springydaffs · 19/12/2016 23:36

Looks like I'm contradicting myself there, sorry.

I mean all that heart stuff on fb, not your thread on here. You're anon on here, not on fb.

FurryDogMother · 19/12/2016 23:39

I don't really have any advice about your relationship, other than to wish you all the best of luck with it, but I just wanted to let you know that you're very welcome to post on this site, as far as I'm concerned :) I really hope it all goes well for you!

user1482148406 · 19/12/2016 23:56

Thank you all so much, you've all been so helpful and friendly on here!

I think why I worried so much about him messaging someone... I just want him so bad. I know this all sounds weird as he was only my best mate and that's all I thought of him, but I just have so many feelings for him now.

Like everytime I see him, honestly... my heart kinda skips a beat a bit, or I get like a weird but nice sort of warm feeling in my stomach. Can't really describe it but I just love him I guess.

I told him I didn't want to just "do things" with him. I was worried it looked like that now due to the posts I've received from some of you on here. I've told him that... I've told him like I just love having a laugh with him and things too.

I also said I want things to go forward in that I want to be with him and have a relationship with him now. I told him I would tell my mum/family in a heartbeat that i'm bisexual, so I could be with him.

It was a huge long message and I doubt i'll get a reply for a while (he is working a night shift), but I'll let you all know what happens.

I've never done anything with a guy before. I guess I was nervous at first, but just like even hugging him just feels so good and so so right.

Thank you everyone so much :) x

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horseygeorgie1 · 20/12/2016 00:10

I hope it all works out for you OP. Just speak to him, don't overthink this! Keep us updated please!

DeviTheGaelet · 20/12/2016 07:54

Ooh good luck!

Shakey15000 · 20/12/2016 08:01

Ah, I hope it all works out for you both Smile