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Is this abusuve or is it my fault?

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chicolatta · 20/11/2016 15:07

Things have been getting increasingly worse between DH and I. We usually rumble along for a week or two with no issues, but when we spend "quality" time together e.g. dinner together we always end up rowing, usually about my family vs his family.

We had to move back to the Uk quickly at the start of the year so have been temporarily living with my parents (free of charge) whilst we sold our place and bought one here. We are due to exchange on that this week so the end of living with the inlaws is in sight.

Obviously it's not been easy for him living with them (even though my mum does everything for us eg takes baby monitor at weekends and does washing) because nobody wants to live with anyone else's parents. But I feel he's built up an undeserved hatred towards them and keeps trying to punish them for how much time they're spending with DS and DD - because his mum obviously doesn't get the same access.

Anyway today was another row, this time over lunch because he said he didn't want to see my parents for three months after we move in, and that his mum will do the twice weekly childcare for us over that period (that we planned the grandparents to do 50/50). I questioned this - just because I don't think banishing them from seeing the kids for 3 months is totally unfair (and something his mum hasn't had to endure) and he went mad. In front of the kids he called me:

  • a pathetic cunt
  • an embarrassment
  • that I disgust him
  • that if he was allowed to hit me, he would
  • that I should look at myself to see why we don't have a sex life (ie I'm ugly)
  • that DS was only asking him not to shout because I was brain dead and trained him to say it (I haven't, but he has heard me asking DH not to shout in the past).
  • that he recently got thrush because I'm such a disgusting tramp (even though I've ever had thrush, ever)
  • kept calling me a spinster, when I poinyed out that I wasn't as I was married he said that I fucking well should have been
  • put on a moany voice and was saying "I never thought I would have children" (something I said when we first got together)

Meanwhile I didn't cover myself in glory - quite the opposite, albeit some way down the line after his tirade. When the kids were asleep in the back of the car I said I only had sex with him last night because I felt obliged and that I wouldn't go near his stinking cock (it doesn't!) voluntarily, that his mum would see less of the kids if he left me (which he was threatening to do), that I feared I had married the wrong person, corrected him when he referred to his parents - plural (he doesn't see his dad) and that my life in many ways would be easier without him as I wouldn't spend all my time consciously trying to avoid making him angry.

He then tried to go to his mum's for a few days and like a proper psycho I stood in the door on the car and begged him not to.

I know this is fucking awful and no, I don't want my kids seeing it and do all I can to avoid them doing so (including usually ignoring digs to avoid a row) and usually the rows are after bedtime, so they don't

But I guess my question is this: can there be any way back? Or do you think he's verbally or emotionally abusive? Or am I?

FYI. My radar is a bit skewed thanks to being previously (20 yrs ago) in an emotionally and physically abusive relationship. Also I suspect my self esteem is shit as I've been bulimic for over a decade (although am trying - with much success - to get over that myself)

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ThatStewie · 20/11/2016 16:01

It's abuse.

Neither you nor your children should be subjected to it.

There is no 'salvaging' this. You need to ensure that you and your children are safe. None of you are living with this man.

chicolatta · 20/11/2016 16:07

Feels a bit shit to have stopped him. He said he couldn't stand to look at me so I had a bath to stay out of his way. Sent him a text from the bath apologising and saying him and our family was the most important thing to me in the world.

He told me to get out of the bath and get the kids.

I didn't want him to go because if we split up I want to be on my own with the kids, not living with my parents and having to talk about it or explain. I'd want to cry on my own once the kids are in bed and probably mope a bit. Here I would have to put on a brave face.

I stupidly don't want to pull out of the house for a hundred reasons that I don't really want to go into for fear of outing myself, but it's not as black and white as I've implied. If push comes to shove I can afford to live there alone as the equity was all mine and I am the main wage earner.

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Scooby20 · 20/11/2016 16:10

Hmm if you are married is the equity legally protected?

Yes it will be a bit shit for a while. But you are an adult. It's going to be shit for your kids at least until they leave home. It's your job to protect them.

So it can either be a bit shit for your for a while or really shit for their whole childhoods.

chicolatta · 20/11/2016 16:10

Thanks for all your advice BTW. Really do appreciate you taking the time to help.

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chicolatta · 20/11/2016 16:11

Not legally protected, no. Bugger. We have only been married two years (had DC first) if that makes any difference?

It's a lot of equity as well, damn it.

I did want to protect it but he went mad.

I'm so stupid.

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Scooby20 · 20/11/2016 16:13

You need legal advice op. Sharpish. A short marriage may impact how much he can get. But the fact that you have been a long term couple may negate that. I have no clue.

From what I understand it's 50:50 starting point.

Costacoffeeplease · 20/11/2016 16:13

Only being married 2 years doesn't matter, unfortunately, you need to get legal advice pdq

EasyToEatTiger · 20/11/2016 16:14

You delightful husband sounds remarkably similar to mine and you sound a bit as though you are screaming from the same sinking ship. Your husband will not get better and there will always, always be an excuse for his behaviour, and fret not, it will be entirely your fault. It has taken me a while to work it out, that there is no future for me with my husband. We have had couple councelling for years and of course it can't possibly work because I was blinkered to the fact that his behaviour is abusive. I have finally spoken to a police officer about his behaviour, and am finally starting to get my ducks in a row. It is very difficult with dreadful shadows from the past. Springydaffs says that the initial shock and fear and jangliness will pass. My husband has hit me. Of course he minimised his behaviour calling it 'only' a slap. That's not how I remember it. Most people would never call the person they have chosen to live with a cunt, nor would they threaten to hit them. Nor would they blame them hook line and sinker for all their woes. I really feel your pain. At the moment my situation sounds remarkably similar.

Atenco · 20/11/2016 16:16

Separating, especially, when there is a lot of history and children involved is never easy and not to be lightly undertaken, but what alternatives do you have? Do you think you can get the love and respect back? How many more times will you children hear their father talk to you like that before they start to disrespect too?

chicolatta · 20/11/2016 16:16

Been together 5 years in total, had DC quickly.

He's refusing to come downstairs.

I feel lost.

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Ohdearducks · 20/11/2016 16:18

I don't think you are abusive, I think he pushed you to the limit and you snapped and gave him a taste of his own medicine, no it wasn't nice but you have a right to defend yourself when you're being verbally abused.
What next OP? Hes not going to change and you can't change him. Start making plans to LTB is my advice, the dream you're hanging onto is not going to come true with this man, he's abusive and doesn't give two shits about you or what he exposes your children to. Find the strength to kick him out of your parent's place, he doesn't deserve their hospitality or your love.

monsterbookofty · 20/11/2016 16:47

I keep reading that you have apologised to him, but has he apologised to you?

chicolatta · 20/11/2016 16:51

After I replied (via text as he's still upstairs refusing to speak to me) asking why I'd apologised for saying awful things but he hasn't he replied "sorry".
He will apologise properly when he's calmed down I'm sure but in meantime says he has nothing to say to me.

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EasyToEatTiger · 20/11/2016 16:53

My husband has not apologised for saying awful things. He doesn't think he said them Hmm

AlabasterSnowball · 20/11/2016 17:16

Chico you are not abusive but your husband is and your relationship is toxic. If you're not careful it will poison you and you'll end up just as bad as him.
You need be honest with yourself and ask yourself why you find yourself drawn to me like this. It's not healthy for you or for your children who will grow up thinking this is normal

SlottedSpoon · 20/11/2016 17:22

If you haven't exchanged on your house yet I would seriously pull out.

This relationship sounds over to me.

RebelRogue · 20/11/2016 17:22

A pp said the bottom line. If you split up, it will be shit for a while (for you), if you don't it will be shit for a hell of a lot longer(for your kids). Things won't get better,they will only get worse...his abuse,and your reaction to it. Do you want your kids to witness all that? To learn how a relationship is from their dad and you? Name calling,cheap shots etc? You two might be great parents apart,but right now your kids are living in an abusive,toxic relationship with two miserable parents.

RickOShay · 20/11/2016 17:31

Chico dig deep. It is not ok for him to speak to you like that. You also mentioned sly digs. No wonder you snapped. You deserve love and understanding, I don't think you will get that or are getting that from your dh. I also think you should get legal advice. I am sorry you are going through this.

Beebeeeight · 20/11/2016 17:32

It's not an apology you need it's the freedom programme!

ElspethFlashman · 20/11/2016 17:37

Jesus your poor kids.

Their present is clearly less important than your fantasy future.

Lucked · 20/11/2016 17:39

Do not invest the money in a house unless you can afford to buy him out, it is ridiculous to remain married for a house and a mortgage and he will force a sale if the split comes later. So many threads on mumsnet of couple splitting and going to war over finances and you have your money which could be popped in a bank until the divorce is settled.

Why don't you have a chat to him about what would happen to the house if he did leave you, it's what he is threatening to do.

Bluntness100 · 20/11/2016 17:40

Well you're both mean as rattle snakes to each other, that's for sure. Not a sign of two people who love each other.

Anyways, you need to find out what's causing his issue with your parents, simply assuming it's some form of jealousy isn't healthy, ask him clearly why he wants the three months split and talk it through,

It seems to me uou are struggling to communicate to each other and neither of uou is taking the time to listen to the other, you're both simply wanting uour own needs met and to hell with the other.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/11/2016 17:42

chico

re your comment:-
"I know this is fucking awful and no, I don't want my kids seeing it and do all I can to avoid them doing so (including usually ignoring digs to avoid a row) and usually the rows are after bedtime, so they don't

Yes it is awful and no you cannot fully shield them from the stark realities of life at home which is now akin to a warzone. You also modify your own behaviours to avoid setting him off.

And yes your children do hear it and hear it all though you would like to pretend otherwise. Sound travels.

They probably wonder why you are putting this man before them as well as wondering why you and he are together at all.

I sincerely hope they do not blame themselves for their parents problems but it would not surprise me if they did.

Happybunny19 · 20/11/2016 17:42

You are both completely wrong to get into a row like that in front of your dcs. I'm shocked anyone would behave like either of you in front of their kids.

I find it unthinkable to continue in a relationship with someone who says such awful, disgusting things. In over two decades my oh and I would never say anything so cruel. I just can't imagine how you recover from being spoken to like that.

Your dh sounds cold, angry and extremely immature. You can't possibly create a perfect family from this disaster. At least take some time apart and don't lower yourself to begging him to stay again, he'll lose any remaining respect for you,if that's possible.

Other pp are correct, pull out of the house purchase and make an exit plan.

chicolatta · 20/11/2016 17:43

Elspeth that's really helpful, thank you.

How dare you judge me. I do absolutely everything I fucking well can do for my children and the fantasy future I have is for them, not me.

If it wasn't for them I would turn my back in a heartbeat.

FWIW they don't usually see the rows - today was very much a one off, hence I posted.

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