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Mn please help me figure this out - DP asking dad before proposing

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sadandanxious · 05/11/2016 16:34

So DP and I have recently been discussing the possibility of getting married at some point in the future. I've always said I want him to ask my dad before proposing to me. He can't understand why and thinks it should be between us two, not him and my dad first. He has said he will ask my dad but that it feels wrong and feels like it puts pressure on him to do the proposing instead of us having an equal discussion.
I can't explain it to him though, not really. I do actually agree with him that it should be between DP and I but I know my dad would be gutted if he wasn't asked. And I've got it in my head that I'm already ready for marriage whereas he's not quite yet and so I want him to do the proposing so I know he definitely wants it. Does that even make sense though? Also it doesn't sit right with me that my dad needs to give his permission (even though he'd never say no), because it's my relationship and my life. I end up going around in circles in my own head trying to figure it out.

For those who's DP's did ask your father, is that what you wanted and why? Would you have been bothered if he hadn't?

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GruochMacAlpin · 05/11/2016 17:32

My DH offered to ask my Dad (after the proposal but before we'd announced) but I said "no, I love my Dad but I'm not cattle"

My BIL asked my Dad.

My Dad was happy either way. Although I suspect he was secretly tickled when my response was later relayed to him by DH.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 05/11/2016 17:39

Imperial. It makes me think of Mr Darcy asking Mr Bennett, who would never refuse but he is such a man - or words to that effect. Colin Firth was dreamy in that role.

I don't know op, it's a bit antiquated. Don't think I'd insist if he refused. It never occurred to dh or me and my father was dead long before I married.

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WomanWithAltitude · 05/11/2016 17:40

Why do you need to resolve this? If your dp isn't going to ask, it's his call. Leave him to not do it.

Your dad's reaction isn't your responsibility.

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YonicProbe · 05/11/2016 17:40

"But how on earth do I resolve this issue?! "

The same way you resolve any issue when you know that it is the anxiety not the reality driving you - go with your head, not your fears,

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ImperialBlether · 05/11/2016 17:44

MummyofLittleDragon, I was thinking of Mrs Bennett going crazy when Elizabeth refused Mr Collins and Mr Bennett said something along the lines of "one of your parents will be dead to you - your mother if you don't marry him, me if you do." I'm sure a better-read fan will come along and correct that!

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Oly5 · 05/11/2016 17:47

It's so ridiculous and old fashioned! Why would you make a man you love go through this torture?!

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flowery · 05/11/2016 17:49

"But how on earth do I resolve this issue?!"

By saying "I'm sorry DP, you are absolutely right, I'm so glad you see us as equal partners, let's discuss our future together as adults, and as/when/if we get engaged, let's just tell our parents together"

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Pestilence13610 · 05/11/2016 17:49

You could be the one who states "Dad, DP and I are thinking of getting married."
Your DF gets a chance to voice his opinion, be informed prior to any announcement and you get to maintain your status as an adult.

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MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 05/11/2016 17:51

Your DF gets a chance to voice his opinion

He's not entitled to an opinion.

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ScarletSienna · 05/11/2016 17:51

I would have been pretty cross it my husband had asked my Dad for permission/blessing and I can imagine my Dad would have been bemused if he had been asked.

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MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 05/11/2016 17:51

Well he is, but he shouldn't voice it.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 05/11/2016 17:54

Imperial. I haven't watched that series at least 10 times, no, not me.

"An unhappy alternative is before you, Elizabeth. From this day you must be a stranger to one of your parents. Your mother will never see you again if you do not marry Mr Collins, and I will never see you again if you do."

Classic. Just googled and came up with the quotes on shmoop.com

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ImperialBlether · 05/11/2016 17:57

Oh that's it, yes! I knew "me if you do" was a misquote!

Grin

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Pestilence13610 · 05/11/2016 17:58

He should voice his opinion, to his DD not his future SiL.
Best to get these things out in the open early.

My DF's opinion of DH was "He'll do." Translates to he trusted my choice and had no worries.

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eurochick · 05/11/2016 18:01

Any man who asked my dad wouldn't have been someone I would have wanted to marry. It's old fashioned and sets a view of women as chattels. You really need to have a think about your relationship with your dad and why in the year 2016 this concerns you!

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Houseofmirth66 · 05/11/2016 18:06

It's totally creepy. And pointless. Presumably you'd still go ahead even if your father didn't give permission.

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NotYoda · 05/11/2016 18:08

For me it boils down to this - upsetting your dad (maybe), versus upsetting your DP.

Put like that, I wonder if it is you who is either not sure about marriage, or (more likely) wondering about facing a life where your overbearing parents don't come first. It's good preparation, but no wonder you are a bit wobbly about it. It's a new phase.

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NotYoda · 05/11/2016 18:09

Ah, I see you agreed with yonic upthread

So really, this is something you work out alone - don't involve your DP in it - it's not his issue

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Soupandasandwich · 05/11/2016 18:10

I really don't understand this. Or the way so many, apparently independent, adult women, insist on being proposed to. DH and I decided we wanted to get married. Neither of us 'asked'the other, it just came out of a conversation. We began to save and when we were ready, we booked the date and only after that did we tell our parents that we were getting married. Neither set of parents had any problems with the fact that we hadn't sought their permission. My DD certainly never had any issue with my DH over it. This was over 30 years ago, so I find it strange that this is still even a consideration all these years later.
Best wishes for your engagement.

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Madinche1sea · 05/11/2016 18:11

My DH asked my DF's "permission" before he proposed to me and without me having had a clue. I think my DF was a bit bewildered at the time as he and DM had only come over from Spain for a week to visit me and it was only the third time they had met DH! We'd only been dating 6 months as well.

What was most weird was that DF didn't breathe a word to DM as he knew she'd be straight on the phone to me!

DH told me he'd already spoken with my dad after he proposed. I did think it was a bit OTT, but he did a beautiful proposal to me and I felt it showed that he'd obviously put a lot of thought into it. DH said he'd asked my DF because it was the respectful thing to do and he needed to reassure my dad that he would look after me and had good intentions.

I do think it made my dad feel part of the wedding, especially as I was going to be living in a different country. My mum needed no encouragement!

Now 15 years later, we have 2 DSs and 2 DDs and DH still maintains that he would expect to be approached by any man wanting to marry either of his daughters. I did tell him it's probably best not to hold his breath on that one Grin

OP - If your DP feels awkward, you could still make your DF feel special by doing something like asking them over for dinner and making a big thing about wanting them to be the first to know. Also, don't say anything else to your DP about proposing, etc. As you say, it needs to be off his own bat!!
Good luck Smile

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SuperPug · 05/11/2016 18:14

DF visited my parents to tell them we were getting engaged, not to ask permission. It was more of a "heads up" and a chance for them to have some time together, discussing our plans. He definitely wasn't asking for permission, we'd already bought the ring and started looking at wedding stuff.

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quencher · 05/11/2016 18:15

I'd view it as he asking your dad (parents) if they accept him as a son in law rather than he is asking them for the right to have you.
And in that way it is nice they get to say 'yes we want you as a son, we like you/ accept you'
the op should ask his family too. If they approve, he can ask her dad. Is that ok with you op? Grin

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DaCapoAlFine · 05/11/2016 18:21

Your DP is right. It's an awful tradition. And we owe it to younger women to stop perpetuating crap like this. Same with grown women being "given away" from one man to another at their wedding. No wonder it's taking forever to achieve equality, when some women still want all this stuff.

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HapShawl · 05/11/2016 18:24

"Now 15 years later, we have 2 DSs and 2 DDs and DH still maintains that he would expect to be approached by any man wanting to marry either of his daughters."

What about if any man/woman wants to marry either of his sons?

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BurnTheBlackSuit · 05/11/2016 18:28

Our engagement went like this: after we had been together a while, we had discussed the subject of marriage and it was something we both wanted, we love each other and want to spend our lives together.

Then DH went round and told his parents he was going to propose to me and then went round and told my parents. I think he also told all our friends as well because he was excited. I don't know if he asked my Dad for my hand in marriage (probably did) but he wouldn't have been actually asking, more that would have been how he started the conversation.

Then he proposed to me, and whilst the timing was a suprise, him proposing wasn't.

I don't feel like cattle.

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