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Ex wants to see DS after a year of no contact.

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Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 19:08

Very long so apologies in advance!

Some may remember my previous posts on here about DS (2, 3 in Jan) and his dad.

Trying not to drop feed, exP was emotionally abusive when we were together and physically on a few occasions (police were never involved). He was barely at home out every weekend taking drugs, cheating, god knows what else. On one occasion he called DS a 'fucking retard' when he was around 4/5 months old.

We split up 2 years and 2 months ago, and up until last September he had contact each weekend, Saturday 9-6, then changed to Fri 6pm to sat 6pm in April 2015.

I facilitated this contact, did all pick ups and drop offs (45 mile round trip), provided everything DS needed in terms of food, nappies, clothes, bottles and formula (When he needed them). I received no maintenance as he wasn't working. He refused to have DS on various occasions when he'd been arrested, was hungover, still partying, or even on one occasion had sunburn Hmm

Last September I wrote My car off, therefore was unable to take DS to contact. He took this as me stopping seeing him and because very abusive, calling me names, saying DS probably wasn't his, then didn't get in contact for a month. He then got back in touch apologising promising the earth etc. Never ended up materialising as he got drunk and started sending abusive texts and emails. I informed the police and blocked his number/email.

He has been in touch a few times since then, none of which to enquire about DS, just to give me grief, insult me, and inform me that when he did see DS he would tell him 'his mummy is a cock loving slut' and take him and not return him. Each time I have reported this to the police.

I received a letter requesting I attend mediation in May, where then I spoke to a solicitor who advised me to decline this on the grounds of his emotional abuse which I did. We then wrote out to him offering supervised access in a contact centre, which he did not respond to.

Fast forward to today, I receive a phone call which is him. He apologised for everything. Asked how DS is. Told him he is fine, and doing very well at nursery, bright etc. He then asks how he can see him, says he will jump through every hoop. Informed him I don't know where to go from here, as this is the exact same conversation we had last year. Asked how long it would be before he didn't get his own way and became abusive again, and lo and behind 'he's changed'. Asked him why he never responded to the solicitors letter and he said 'my mates said that's where crackheads see their kids so I didn't bother'... wow.

Unsure where to go from here, he doesn't want to go through 'all the legal bullshit' as he calls it.

I don't want to deny the chance for DS to make his own decisions when he is old enough. However I have to protect him from being used as a pawn against his Mother, and myself, from the stress and anxiety this 'man' puts me through, and the threats he has made to not return DS to my care if he does have contact.

Any advice would be so appreciated Flowers

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misskelly · 03/11/2016 21:07

I have to agree, putting the onus on your son to find out what is father is really like means he will have to be exposed to abusive behaviour. It may also take a very long time for your son to be able to verbalise that he doesn't want contact with his father. Experience tells me men like this don't change, has he recently got a new girlfriend he is trying to impress?

Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 21:09

No they have been together for almost 2 years now. They got together officially the November after we split (unsure if it was going on for some time before or not)

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CremeBrulee · 03/11/2016 21:19

I would reply that it's great that we wants to see his child and is willing to jump through every hoop. The first hoop is to commit to a legally set out schedule of regular contact via a contact centre. The next hoop is to original be that he is supportive of you and your relationship with your child. Any hint of emotional abuse to you or the child and contact centre ceases. After a full year of solid contact centre attendance and impeccable behaviour on his part and you may then consider alternative arrangements.

Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 21:35

Creme, if he refused and tried court would that be reasonable?

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Ohb0llocks · 03/11/2016 22:21

Would it maybe be worth ringing social services/cafcass would they be able to help me?

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Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 06:32

Bumping for the morning people

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GeekLove · 04/11/2016 08:08

Oh dear. At least you know that he is less likely to be trouble since he has failed to jump through the first hoop!

Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 08:33

Hopefully. It's just turned our life upside down.

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skyyequake · 04/11/2016 08:58

So he days he'll jump through every hoop and then practically within the same breath says he doesn't want to go through "all the legal bullshit"?? Clearly he just wants to make some meaningless gestures until he can do whatever he likes!

I would say court would be the first hoop! What with all the police reports and history of ignoring previous court action he's very unlikely to get unsupervised access if that's against your wishes. Do the police have copies of abusive texts as evidence?

Personally I don't think biology means shit when a parent is abusive. Your DS will have the opportunity to find his dad when he's fully grown and is hopefully less vulnerable to his abuse. IMO it's better to have no contact with a parent than to have an abusive one! What would your DS really be missing out on? Being lied to, manipulated, hearing abuse about his own mother, forced to agree when he doesn't and dealing with those feelings of guilt? Pretty sure he'd be better off without all that.

I suggest telling him he can take you to court if he likes. Chances are he can't be bothered and will leave you alone. And if he does and the court says he should have contact then you can offer the compromise of supervised contact at a contact centre, using previous evidence of abuse to support why he can't have unsupervised contact.

Good luck OP Flowers

NameChange30 · 04/11/2016 09:06

It would be contact centre or nothing but I'm not even sure I'd allow that tbh.

If you do allow the contact centre then he should pay for it.

And I know child maintenance is a separate issue but you need to put in a claim, as PP said even if he is unemployed he will be expected to contribute a small amount from his JSA (if he's claiming it).

It sounds as if he wouldn't bother to take you to court, but keep reporting any abuse in case he does - particularly abuse towards your son.

qwom · 04/11/2016 09:15

I'd let him take it to court.
That way he can pay and it will all be official once it gets sorted.
I've just come to the end of a 5 year battle to prevent ex having direct contact with DC.
The courts saw his true colours and ordered indirect (so letters/parcels) contact 2 times a year.
He was convicted of battery against me.

qwom · 04/11/2016 09:16

So I understand the struggle to protect your DC x

smEGGtoplasm · 04/11/2016 09:30

Ohb0llocks I really feel for you. Describing it as life turned upside down is exactly how i would describe it too. You see I'm in a very similar position to yourself.

My children are older than your own little one. 6, 8 and 9 and they haven't seen or heard from their father in 5 and a half years now.

Now that my husband and I have decided to go down a legal route (my husband has applied for an adoption order) ex has decided that he will try to see them.

It's horrible. They don't know him or want to. As far as we're all concerned it's been too long. And I will never force them to do something they don't want to.

I completely agree with skyyequake. Biology aside, your son is not missing out on much. Tell him that he can take you to court.

Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 09:40

Quom, what did he do? If you wish to Pm that's fine I understand, or if you don't wish to say. My trouble is proof. I have copies of his emails and texts but he is a gas lighter and makes things seem not as bad, very good at talking his way out of things. I often question whether this was all in my head.

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Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 09:54

SmEgg, I hope you get the outcome your DCs want. 5 bloody years. Beggars belief. I miss DS when he's asleep.

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Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 10:17

I have emailed my solicitor asking where she feels we should go from here. She costs a fortune but her advice is second to none. I was out in contact with her through my local dv centre, which I stupidly stopped attending when things quietness down.

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Stormwhale · 04/11/2016 10:25

I don't think social services will help as you are classed as your ds' protective factor.

I would only have written contact from now on op, no phone calls as otherwise he could twist what you are saying and make things up.

smEGGtoplasm · 04/11/2016 10:33

Thank you. Yes, 5 years, a long time. I agree with you, it's incomprehensible to imagine being without them isn't it?!

I think you're doing the right thing by asking for legal advice. To answer your earlier question about social services/cafcass, we have them involved. they haven't filled me with the greatest confidence to be completely honest. Social services have been useless. Just getting them to do what they needed to for court has been a tough slog.

Cafcass seem marginally better at the moment. The trouble is, my children have found it quite stressful. Especially the oldest. Lots of strangers talking about their feelings and having to have meetings without me or husband present has been tough for him. We're getting there and supporting him, obviously. He knows what he wants but I won't pretend it's an easy process.

Despite this, I wouldn't discourage from going down the legal route. That will be appreciated by a judge. They like to have every avenue covered, no question left unanswered kind of thing.

LifeLong13 · 04/11/2016 11:40

I hear you OP. Just to say my Dad was similar and we have been NC since I was 6. It was my decision & I have never regretted it. I'm now in my late 20's.

Like PPs have said. Facilitate it but don't push it and let him pay.

Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 13:09

I'm waiting for her to email back but I appreciate it may be after the weekend now. He text earlier to say if I was calling can it be an x time due to him having a meeting at work. May just text instead.

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Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 13:11

Think I'm just going to say to him I need a little more time to decide what needs to be done about this, and I will get back in touch with him in due course? No idea how to word it though.

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skyyequake · 04/11/2016 14:21

Wow so you're already having to work around his schedule Hmm

In your position I would just ignore him until you've got all your information together and a plan. You don't have any responsibility to reply straight away and it won't be held against you. If you do want to reply, I would suggest keeping it short, for example: "I'll think about it." Try not to give reasons or excuses as you'll just get drawn into an argument and open yourself up to his manipulation. Once you've sent the first text, it would be better to ignore anything else he sends. You know you'll be getting in contact in a few days. It will also serve to see how much his attitude really has changed.

NameChange30 · 04/11/2016 14:25

Definitely don't call him. If you want to respond I suggest you text him to say "I'll think about it and get back to you next week."

Ohb0llocks · 04/11/2016 15:04

Text him and told him I will be in touch next week when I've spoken to my solicitor.

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skyyequake · 04/11/2016 15:06

Good on you Ohb0llocks let's him know you're not going to put up with him pissing you about!

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