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Advice needed - I think this is the end of my marriage..... (long, sorry)

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OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 08/02/2007 21:29

I am a regular on here but have changed my name for this thread...

DH and I have been married for nearly 19 years, and have two children aged 10 and 8. DH and I have had a pretty good relationship over the years although I have always loathed his temper. (He has never hit me or the kids so that's not an issue). Until about 3.5 yrs ago, I was DH's "rock" (in his words) - I worked full-time in a very senior role, earned a damn good salary, paid for almost everything, enabling DH to go part-time and become self-employed.
And then it all came tumbling down. I had a nervous breakdown - brought on by too many years of burning the candle at both ends, an extremely stressful job, missing my children, my mother's advanced breast cancer, and various other things. About 5 months later, in the depths of severe depression, I found that I had breast cancer and had a lump removed. In the meantime, DH became very close to one of our close friends, culminating in me finding them kissing. They swore that nothing else had happened and we never really saw her again. I ended up being hospitalised for several weeks (because of the depression), and in the midst of all this, DH rings me up to tell me that I've "changed so much, [he's] not really sure [he] loves me anymore".
So after bl**dy months of my individual therapy, we go to Relate. The message seems to be we need to communicate more, cuddle more and have more sex. We stop going to Relate because DH doesn't like the therapist. We try a private counsellor but DH decides he can't do anymore talking (talking, particularly about his emotions, is not his strong point). We struggle on. My depression comes and goes. My medication gets increased. Sex, and the low frequency of it, remains an issue (ie DH wants more and I'm not attracted to him)
And gradually I become better - I start to feel like I'm human again. I begin to like myself for the first time in years. I start to enjoy things again. I pick up a paintbrush for the first time in years and realise how much I've missed it.
I've realised, and DH agrees (I think) that I cannot work again, certainly not in a pressured job. (I have tried and my depression returned with a vengeance). We have very little money. But I'm happy with that. DH, on the other hand, is having to work much harder than he used to and now has all the bread-winning responsibility on his shoulders. His "rock" is now a little bit fragile, and not quite the all-conquering superwoman he married.
The thing is (and if you've got this far, I congratulate you) I don't think I love him anymore. I mean, what is love anyway? He can barely say anything kind towards me, can barely do anything for me without me asking for it, he doesn't much like talking and often just says he's tired and goes to bed early. And yet when I want to go to bed early, he complains about us living like an old married couple. I don't 'fancy' him. I enjoy sex when it happens with him, but I'm happy to go without. I look at him and wonder why I'm still with him.
Except I know the answer (or I think I know). I don't want to upset the kids. I love our house (and we'd have to sell it if we split). I keep thinking, we'll get through this, we'll muddle on and somehow it'll be alright, we've got through so much already. But it's just the same old, same old. I want someone who can put strong, loving and dependable arms around me, who can support me (yes, both emotionally AND financially), who will understand depression or at least believe that it's not my fault I've had depression.
I've started standing up for myself much more now, and I've come to see that his moods bring me down. I don't want to be down. I want to feel happy. But he accuses me of wanting to live in la-la land, and that I'm just naive. I'm well, I'm thriving but we just seem to be growing apart.
Any ideas?

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Spoo · 08/02/2007 21:51

Wow - you have really been through the mill and I think it is a testiment to your relationship that you are still together. Have you thought about trying a different counsellor?

Saggarmakersbottomknocker · 08/02/2007 21:53

Orlando - I'm sorry, I'm crap at relationship stuff but I couldn't let this drop of the bottom of active convos.

You've been through so much and are on the up again. Well done you - I'm just sorry that your dh doesn't seem to be alongside you.

Hope someone more helpful comes along soon.

OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 08/02/2007 21:55

Spoo - wild horses couldn't get DH to go to another counsellor. He feels like he's said his stuff and it's up to me to make things work now

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OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 08/02/2007 21:57

Thanks Saggars. I think I'm crap at this relationship stuff too! I'm just so tired of not being able to just relax and enjoy being me. I don't think I can go on like this.

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dmo · 08/02/2007 22:02

i think the stonger you get the better you can make a decision about your future
you have been through the mill and your emotions are bound to be all over
if you still feel the same when you are stonger then i would recommend you move on as you will never truly be better while your unhappy and the children will pick up your unhappiness
i know you habe said you love your house but material things arnt everything and your health is worth far more
i hope yourself and your mother are getting better

OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 08/02/2007 22:07

Thanks DMO. I know that I am a huge amount better than I ever have been before. My self-esteem is high, I like my life, I don't feel the guilt that I used to (about not being a good wife, mum, daughter, employee etc etc). I am strong now (although not RIGHT now as I'm feeling decidedly weepy).

The house thing is not really a material thing although I'm sure there are elements of that. It's just that this has been my sanctuary, we're tucked away from the outside world, no-one passes the front door or windows, no-one can see in and we can't see anyone else. I'm safe here and happy here and dread the thought of leaving my nest.

And yes, mum and I are doing just fine thank you!

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Ulysees · 08/02/2007 22:07

Just want to add my support hun. I've just split from my dh but we're living in the same house for now. He has a pretty well paid job and keeps saying "have you looked for a job yet as you'll need it to fund a new place" He won't move out but I need to be alone with the kids as my marriage is dead. We're still friends but that's all.
Don't mean to hijack but I know how scary it can be and hope if you can save your marriage you do. The house isn't important, kids notice happiness over that.

feelingreallyupset · 08/02/2007 22:15

hi OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat,
i am having a hard time too, but my problem is different.
i read all your thread.
do you think you will be able to love him again?
or do you think you can live with him without loving him and continue living like that for the sake of your children?
if you get seperated do you think you will be more happy?
i think you have to compare all of these.
and i feel very sorry for what happened to you in the past. i think you have come out as a very strong person.
good luck with your decision.

Monkeytrousers · 08/02/2007 22:17

I?d try to concentrate on getting free of the depression before you make any decisions. It sounds like there is a lot of resentment between you, especially that he didn't seem to be there for you when you needed him - after you'd supported him for so long. Certainly, the way you describe it there seems to be a lot of asymmetry in both your imputs. But remember you were never his carer, and he may feel that way at the mo and resent you ? even though you resent him. It?s a classic impasse and being depressed can?t help in any way, especially in knowing what you really want. All you know is you want more than you have, but depression does that to you. You have to fight it, I know it?s incredibly hard as you want someone to come and pick you up and help you, but I?m afraid it doesn?t work like that. In that sense, you maybe are living in lalaland. Keep taking you meds, keep on with your personal counselling and the couple counselling. You maybe don?t love him, and him you ? but there may be hope for you rhyming again in the future when you are both feeling more positive about things. Take care. x

Monkeytrousers · 08/02/2007 22:18

If it's any help it is sometimes darkest just before the dawn .

dmo · 08/02/2007 22:22

when i got depression (from work/moterhood/wife duties) i couldnt even leave the house to take the children to school, i just stayed inside.
took me a good 6 mths to venture out and even now 6yrs later i still get panic attacks
i am now on 20ml tables and i will half this dose soon but still feel unsteady somedays
my dh was a great support but it has still taken me this long to get over it
i have been back to work (self employed) for 4 yrs now find it good being my own boss but still love the feeling of being safe in my own home (i work at home)
take care and take your time with any desicions

sauce · 08/02/2007 22:26

I know how you are feeling because I sometimes feel the same way. I'm so in love with the idea of stability that I'm willing to sacrifice certain things to keep the status quo.

Some antidepressants have a severe affect on libido.

sauce · 08/02/2007 22:27

Did I say that?

Dior · 08/02/2007 22:34

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Verridian · 08/02/2007 22:37

Hi Orlandothemarmaladecat,
Hope you are working it out, I also have a similar problem as I dont feel strongly enough about my partner any longer. we have been separated since 3 weeks after the birth of my son who is now nearly 7months and despite him saying he still loves me i feel totally let down by him. he doesn't support me emotionally or in any other way and most days i feel stronger and more independent. except today-feeling crap today!

longwaytogoandabitfurther · 08/02/2007 22:51

parts of your op i could have written myself. dh and i are in same postion atm but ours has more to do with fact that he is a codiene/tramadol addict. He says he doesn't love me anymore.

monkeytrousers was thinking of you earlier. How are things?

OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 09/02/2007 09:30

Hi all - thanks for your replies.

Monkeytrousers - the thing is, I'm not suffering from depression anymore. Not in the 'stuck in deep black treacle' type of way. I'm cheerful, enjoying life, able to cope with being busy, able to make decisions (well, some at least!), able to join the PTA for example. I know that what I want to do for a living involves children, so I've started working at my kids' school doing just about 4 hrs a week just to see how it goes. I've got a place at art college now to start in September, and the long view is that I'd like to teach art.

There is a lot of resentment - I resent the fact that he can be such an a*se at times, that he can make me so angry that I can't do anything with that anger but swallow it, that he can tell me he doesn't love me while I'm stuck in the Priory on suicide watch, that he kisses one of my closest friends when he thinks I'm not looking, that he gets so angry about things and makes us all jump (children included), that he uses my depression like a stick to beat me with, that he can tell me he doesn't fancy me if I'm a bit overweight, that if I tell him I'm feeling low he goes off on a '[he] can't cope with anything else' routine, that he wants sex seemingly all the blooming time, that he's not interested in my love of opera or books or art....

And I know he resents me....for not wanting sex more often, for not being good with money, for 'making' him work so hard, for being depressed and fragile, for putting on a bit of weight, for being too soft on the children, for having a 'soft' where we didn't know what reality was... and I'm sure there are others.

I know I can't be easy to live with, but I think I'm doing a pretty good job of getting my life back together, of being a good mum, and being healthy. We do have things in common - we love being with the children, the same music (apart from classical), the same films, the same parts of the world, the same jokes, our animals, etc. I just feel that I'm well despite him, that my support network comprises a couple of my best girl friends and NOT him. I like him, I enjoy his company sometimes but overall I'm happier if he's not here, and I'm sure that's not right...

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OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 09/02/2007 09:35

Ulysees - how do you cope living in the same house? What is the next step for you?

Dior/Sauce - I know that the ADs have a big effect on libido, I'm just not sure I had much libido to start with! DH has always wanted sex more than me.

Verridian - I hope today is better for you.

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Budababe · 09/02/2007 09:38

OTMC - would he move out for a while to give you both some space?

Your last post says it all IMV. Deosn't sound like there is much left between you and the fact that he kisses a friend of yours, comments on your weight and then expects you to want sex with him would be enough to make me end the relationship. Doesn't sound like he respects you at all.

Carmenere · 09/02/2007 09:44

Why would you want to make love to a twunt like that, he has made your illness all about himself and has supported you grudgingly. Maybe that is all he can do, maybe it is not in his make-up to be selfless and giving but one thing is for certain that is not all you deserve.

I would think that you both need some time apart to sort out how you really feel and whether you see a future together.

I'm sorry for you, it sounds like you have been through the mill, however it also sounds like you realise that life is short and you deserve better. Good luck.

OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 09/02/2007 09:45

Budababe - He once said that he won't move out because he doesn't want to be away from the kids. I think he needs to, at least temporarily, while we try and sort our feelings out for each other. But his response was that he can't afford to move out. So quite what we do about it, I'm not sure. I guess the kids and I could go and stay at my parents for a while but that would be HUGELY disruptive to the children and I'm not sure that's right. I could move out on my own, but I'd never ever leave the children. So that leaves him moving out. Or staying like this

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OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 09/02/2007 09:48

Sorry Carmenere - not ignoring you, just x-post.

TBH, I know my depression has scared him. He always relied on me and suddenly I'm not the reliable person that I was. He says he likes the new me, but whenever there's a bit of pressure or he gets too busy, he rakes up the whole 'look what [he's] had to cope with' and I end up apologising - I mean WTF????? (I don't apologise any more )

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Carmenere · 09/02/2007 09:53

Yes but he is a husband and partner not an another child so although depression is extra pressure on a relationship he has to step up to the mark and help you as a partner, and if that involves being supportive both financially and emotionally so be it.

Don't move out, ask him to go and stay with some friends for a couple of weeks. Or would it be at all practical for you to go on away for a couple of weeks holiday either with a firend or alone?

OrlandoTheMarmaladeCat · 09/02/2007 10:06

Do you mean me go away with the kids or without?

It would be possible (unless you mean with the kids in which case we're talking within school hols). We have a camper, I could quite happily take that away for a couple of weeks - it's got heating and decent blankets!

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Carmenere · 09/02/2007 10:10

No I mean by yourself for some serious me time. You deserve it. Do it.

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