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MIL is a narcissist and I have reached my limit

133 replies

5one5 · 10/10/2016 23:47

I am beginning to lose respect for DH because of what he lets MIL get away with. She has had a difficult life (extreme poverty, DV, lost youth) and it is used widely as an excuse in DH’s family for her incredibly rude and obnoxious behavior towards other people. She insults people to their faces – mostly women, because she’s a misogynist, but men get it as well. Because of her hard life she tends to think that she is entitled to luxury and special treatment, and DH and his siblings spend their time running around for her, buying her presents, plane tickets, holidays and going into debt paying for her extravagant life.

How does it affect me? She expects me to behave in the same way as DH: Cooking for her, cleaning for her, giving her the best of everything, telling her she’s beautiful, intelligent, well-loved. Nobody is allowed to tell a story at a family gathering unless she plays some starring role in it. She likes applause when she enters a room and toasts to her during meals. She likes to repeat stories of her youth where she was deemed “exceptionally beautiful” and things that were apparently said to her and fights that were apparently had over her. DH and her other children pretend they pander to her in a tongue-in-cheek way, but I can see that they all take it deadly seriously and that they all become like little minions when she is around. They are afraid of her.

DH excuses his and his siblings’ behavior around her by portraying her as a comical narcissist, as if everybody is in on the joke that she thinks very highly of herself, including her - but it really isn’t like that. There is no irony. She is a bona fide narcissist.

Our wedding day was about her. Our DC’s birthdays become about her. Christmas is about her Or she sits in a corner and sulks until enough people come up to her and ask if she is okay, at which point she will launch a scathing attack on the event, how it doesn’t cater to her at all, and her children including DH will spend the rest of the time with their tails between their legs, not enjoying themselves. Dh and his siblings are performing marionettes who will willingly make her the centre of anything and are constantly leaping around to measure the emotional barometer of the room she is in to avoid upsetting her.

She tries to teach her GC including our DC lines to recite like “I love you Grandma,” and “You are beautiful Grandma.” Sometimes they say it because she repeats it so much (so she likes these GC ) but the ones who won’t repeat it get the cold shoulder.

Anyway it’s all come to a head for me over something on facebook and I can’t look Dh in the eye anymore I am so angry:

There is a close friend of mine who doesn’t buy the applause and the toasting and the everything relating back to MIL, so MIL uniformly hates her. Today this friend looked after one of our DC and posted some pics of DC doing an activity on facebook with my permission. She tagged me in them, so the photos appeared on my timeline. MIL saw the pictures and wrote in a comment underneath how dare my friend have her DGC without her (MIL’s) permission and a series of other comments criticizing my friend and the activity she was doing with my DC. Criticisms completely unfounded and quite insulting.

Next thing I know DH has jumped on the comments tab too and has piled on with MIL against my friend., telling my friend that MIL is right, he agrees and she should be ashamed of herself. I was absolutely shocked

When I got home (an hour after this all happened on facebook) DH was waiting at the door with a guilty face on, ready to “manage” the situation. I was fuming. Dh went into full damage limitation, said he had texted MIL and told her not to post comments like that in the future, and proceeded to beg me to not post anything on facebook and not tell MIL off. He was like a desperate child.

I asked him why he posted in support of such a stupid comment from MIL and he said he wanted to “protect” her. I told him it was MIL attacking other people that was the problem. He said that he thought that MIL was provoking my friend by attacking her, and so he wanted to shut down any potential counterattack on MIL before there was one…

We were supposed to go out for dinner together tonight, the first night we haven’t had the DC for 9 months, but I have come home because I cannot sit across a table from him. I can’t even look him in the eye. He was sheepishly trying to get me to hug him and kiss him but I cannot even touch him for being such a fucking coward.

My life cannot be like this forever, but I don’t know what to do. (And yes I have spoken to my friend and apologized for MIL’s comments.) I am still considering commenting on the status but DH is begging me not to.

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CheerfulYank · 11/10/2016 06:01

What the actual?! Shock

I'd delete and block her and tell DH he needs therapy pronto.

ChasedByBees · 11/10/2016 06:04

I would also apologise for the rude behaviour of both your MIL and DH on Facebook and then block your MIL once she's had enough time to see the post.

Your DH can no longer pass this of as an ironic, tongue in cheek thing if he has insulted your friend. And yes, he needs to apologise with flowers or something more sincere than just the words. He has behaved appallingly. At least your MIL has mental health problems. If he is scared of her reaction he could have just buried his head in the sand and ignored the post (which would still be cowardly) but to join in! What was he thinking. You must be so disappointed in him.

sleepachu · 11/10/2016 06:20

That sounds absolutely mad. Like some Hitchcock/Sopranos shit. Rounds of applause and toasts? Does he really get himself into debt to buy her plane tickets and stuff? Because he's a married man with kids. There is no 'getting himself into debt' anymore - he's happy for his family to go without (or have less) to fund that. I feel sorry for him actually as he sounds very damaged but as he has others to consider he has a duty to recognise and work on that. I'd say complete NC and he goes to therapy, or divorce.

earlgreydrinker · 11/10/2016 06:20

You have my sympathy. For 15 years I watched my DH and FIL pander to my MIL and her appalling behaviour. To be fair my DH, as yours has, grew up with it so had been conditioned for 33 years and she is his mum. You can't change that overnight no matter what I or any of our friends said. Like you, it impacted on us and was continually a bone of contention. The stress was making us both unwell.

It wasn't till we had our DD that DH began to see the light - he recognised he didn't want our DC to be treated the way he has been. Their relationship has broken down as he stopped backing down to her/ engaging with her and she has reacted badly. While it is very sad, he would admit our lives are much better for it.

I hope most people would see how ridiculous your MILs comment was. I would unfollow her for a start and, if you can, keep your distance to protect your own sanity!

SandyY2K · 11/10/2016 06:22

This isn't a matter of choosing his mum or his wife. If your DH can't assert himself, you all need to withdraw from MIL and see her less, so she doesn't have such an impact on your DC.

I mean who in their right sense of mind has their DGC reciting how pretty they are. She's obviously bonkers, but her children have made it worse by not tackling her or getting her professional help.

Your DH should definitely apologise to your friend. TBH if I was the friend and didn't get an apology from your DH, I wouldn't have your DC over again if you weren't with them.

Groovee · 11/10/2016 06:23

I'd ask your friend to delete the comments and you reply to friend thanking her for giving your children a lovely time. Then tell dh that she crossed a line and went too far and she will not be near you or your children and if he is not happy, then he can sod off to and live with her. He also owes your friend an apology.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 11/10/2016 06:30

Your mil is awful but your dh is the real problem, he bullied your friend. He will never put you first, he really needs to grow a spine.

LeftRightUpDown · 11/10/2016 06:38

I am quite horrified that someone could be so nasty. I personally think that you need to screenshot the messages so you have evidence of them. I would also publicly thank your friend on that post otherwise it looks like you are agreeing with your "d"h.

PuellaEstCornelia · 11/10/2016 06:43

And I'd be keeping the kids away from her ' we love you, you're beautiful' WTAF??

spangleknickers · 11/10/2016 06:47

She sounds like Joan Crawford in Mommy Dearest. How awful x

Optimist3 · 11/10/2016 06:48

I would put something factual and calm on FB like 'I have apologised whole heartedly to my friend for DH/MIL's awful comments. If you wish to discuss this further please ring me'

ChuckBiscuits · 11/10/2016 06:49

I can't get over wanting applause when she walks into a room. I mean what?

Diamondsandpurls · 11/10/2016 06:51

Agree with groovee. Ignoring this publicly will look like you agree with mil and give her permission to continue. If you end up nc with mil over this you won't be losing out (neither will your dc as far as I can see-and I say that as someone who is nc with one set of grandparents). Are you prepared to split with dh over this though? For him to comment publicly in support of mil is atrocious, that's not just silently supporting and she will have loved it.

Optimist3 · 11/10/2016 06:54

Or just comment 'please ignore my silly relatives. Thankyou so much for looking after my kids, they had a wonderful time with you doing X. You're a star!! 🌟🌟🌟🌟

Jinglebellsandv0dka · 11/10/2016 07:07

What your Dh did was actually worse than your mil. He attacked some one that was giving you child care .. To protect his mother who was attacking your friend ?? He is her biggest enabler. I wouldn't be able to look at him either - the apple never falls far from the tree hey?

There comes a point when you have to say enough is enough. I did. I was also prepared the leave as I just couldn't do it any more.

Your Dh is playing a very good game of 'DW STFU' , mine used to till I realised the panicked look and 'I'll deal with it' was all part of the act/game/script.

Things will not change untill you change them.

When you do make a stand - expect a big fall out. There will be sides taken and false tears ect...

I've been NC with mil for two years now and it's bloody brilliant I suggest you do the same unless you want to carry on in the farce.

Jinglebellsandv0dka · 11/10/2016 07:08

Oh and I'd tell them both to stop being arseholes on the facebook thread.

Optimist3 · 11/10/2016 07:09

Ask your DH to wholeheartedly apologise to your friend on FB.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/10/2016 07:13

Your DH is very much in the FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) when it comes to his narcissistic mother and his behaviour is very typical of those who have grown up within such dysfunctional families. The damage is chronic and your DH will need a lot of therapy himself to overcome the damage his parents inflicted on him. He cannot and will not face up to the fact that his mother is really that dysfunctional and that he has also gone along with it for so long. That conditioning is that strong along with his own inertia which also hurts him as well as you.

You do not mention FIL; where is he in all this?. Is he still around?.

Also your man is still seeking approval from his mother, approval btw she will never give him. That is why he rounded on your friend so, so he does not take his mother's flak.

And what FrancisCrawford wrote earlier. You all need to stay well away from this poisonous woman. narcissistic people in particular do make out for being appalling bad grandparent figures and she will treat your children in not too dissimilar ways as to how your DH was himself treated as a child.

As for her and therapy you can forget that; she likely thinks there is nothing at all wrong with her behaviour. Also narcissists do very poorly in therapy anyway even if they do bother to see a therapist, the outlook is that poor.

It is not possible to have any sort of a relationship with a narcissist.

annandale · 11/10/2016 07:16

Agree that your DH needs therapy, unless he's normally the sort of person who shouts at people for helping him. he might actually be shocked enough at what he's done to entertain the idea.

LordRothermereBlackshirtCunt · 11/10/2016 07:18

She sounds like Joan Crawford in Mommy Dearest.
Ha! Go on, OP, buy her the DVD for Christmas.

ilovelamp82 · 11/10/2016 07:26

By pandering to your dh in this instance it is just repeating the cycle. I would thank your friend on Facebook and gush how much the dc enjoyed it.

By not doing that your dh is asking that you he complicit in his bad behaviour. Whether it makes him feel comfortable or not, he needs to see that doing the right thing is more important than pandering to his Mum's strange outbursts.

Do you think she did this to cut off a childcare option for you?

I agree that your dh needs some counselling. Explain to him that while you sympathise that this is learned behaviour from a toxic environment, this is also something that could potentially break up the marraige.

AyeAmarok · 11/10/2016 07:36

I think you need to support your friend on FB I'm afraid.

And maybe a comment along the lines of "ignore the batshittery, the DC had a wonderful time and thank you for having them".

Your DH is one of those flying monkeys. I don't know how you are supposed to have any respect for him after this. And that was so horrible to your friend.

Whocansay · 11/10/2016 07:38

You friend was doing you a favour and you appear to be sitting back and letting her take a load of grief to appease your MIL. You don't do that to your friends.

I wouldn't want to look at your H either. What an utter weasel, bullying your friend when she was helping you out. He should apologise on Facebook. It needs to be public, as he was happy to tear strips off her in public.

If you do nothing, I don't think your friend will be your friend for much longer. I very much doubt she'll help you out again.

You are an adult, and you do not have to pander to your MIL. What kin of message are you sending to your children?

Huldra · 11/10/2016 07:39

Friend and you should change settings so posts from her are no longer visible to your mil.
You husband needs to apologise to your friend preferably on fb. I agree with the person that said what he did was worse then mil. Mil is a loon but he piled in and publicly critized someone that was doing him a favour, for completely self serving reasons.
Friend can then either delete her stupid comments or once she is blocked you can bother have an online laugh about her stupidity.

Whocansay · 11/10/2016 07:39

Apologies for the typos!