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Is it the lack of sex? Is it me? Was I in the right or he?

104 replies

thewomanwiththepearlearring · 07/10/2016 00:07

This is going to be a long one, so here it goes.

I was with DS dad for a very long time. We did live together, but I couldn't stand his controlling ways, constant nagging for sex, unpredictable temper and I didn't want DS to be brought up in that sort of environment, so I left and I now live with my parents.

Here's the issue, when I was with DS dad, the lack of sex was an issue. He has a very high sex drive; I don't have a high sex drive at all. But when I was living with DS dad, I would give him sex constantly just so that he can stop whining as he will get very angry and accuse me of all sorts. Also, DS dad was very unhelpful around the house, he hardly took me out anywhere, we hardly did things as a family, but he was very good with DS. But I started to feel used, horrible feeling, and after a while, on top of other things that I mentioned above, it was too much and I left.

When I went to live at my parents house, things started to change (we were still together at this point-- but I went to live at my parents house for that break ifyswim). DS dad had hardly been to take out DS anywhere, doesn't give me money to support his DS (well he has no job but gets benefits), he doesn't like going out to social places, so he would hardly take me out anywhere, but he would constantly tell me to go to his flat to have sex. When we did go out, it was like DS dad expected sex in return. Almost like a reward when he took me out. It got to a point that I was worried to invite DS dad to parents evenings, events, days out etc incase he did come and expected sex in return. If I refused, DS dad would go into a fit in public.

I hated it, I felt used. I didn't feel like we were in a relationship. He wasn't providing my emotional needs, as well as DS! I felt like he hardly did anything for his DS despite the fact that our DS has special needs. So I was doing all his care. So I thought, why do I need to give this man sex, when he doesn't do anything really to contribute to the relationship...relationships are suppose to be equal, balancing out each others emotional and physical needs right?

I had enough, so all in all, I decided that until DS dad supports his son (emotionally, financially etc) and supports me (emotionally etc), I would refuse giving him sex and end the relationship with him. Which I did, it has been 8 months now.

Just today, DS dad called me and we had a discussion about the issues in our past relationship. DS dad wants to get back with me, but he quickly (sigh) started to ask me if I can come back to his to have sex. As I have filed for child maintenance, which is £7.00 a week as his on benefits. DS dad said he has "changed" that he has done everything that I have asked him to do..regarding supporting DS financially through child maintenance (he see's DS now and again) and that I expect him to give me all my wants, but I wouldn't give him anything in return (sex). I told DS dad, that despite what CM say, £7.00 a week is not enough, that I struggle daily to provide for DS and his needs (he has severe allergies as well as SEN) and that he should be ashamed of giving DS so little. He even gloatly told me that his actually working in a bar and gets cash in hand Angry.

He then began to say that he still loves me Hmm, and wants me back. I then said ok, but can we take things slow, like go on dates, go out to public places . He then replied that I know he hates going out socially, he has no money and that we can go to the park and go to his after (sigh-again). I told him no, that this is why I dumped you in the first place, that until he starts providing for DS, emotionally supporting me and DS, being more their for us as a family, then I will get back with you. He got miffed and hanged up.

Oh..he even told me that even though he and I aren't together, that if I find a new boyfriend, he will leave DS and I for good Confused.

I think I'm wasting my time Sad.

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SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 07/10/2016 11:46

Don't go near him ever again.

He's a total cunt.

eatsleephockeyrepeat · 07/10/2016 11:54

I know how you feel the woman, and wouldn't things be different if we could change those "almost perfect" (or sometimes not that close to perfect at all...) exs into just what we'd need to not feel like we were selling ourselves out in this life. We'd all have lovers for life!! But things aren't that way I'm afraid. There comes a time when you just have to take people for what they are, and sometimes that means they won't be your partner anymore. That doesn't make it any less the right decision. You've got to look at yourself every day in the mirror and be happy with the choices you've made; would you honestly be happy to have chosen to live like this just because you've been together a long time?

...thought not. Focus on being someone you like, someone whose choices you're proud to have made, BRAVE choices for you and your child. That'll keep you moving forward :)

PoldarksBreeches · 07/10/2016 13:17

Unless he's calling to set up regular, child focused contact with his son then you shouldn't be talking to him.
Don't answer the phone to him again.

HuskyLover1 · 07/10/2016 13:54

So, let me get this straight.

  1. He's a benefit cheat.
  2. Despite earning reasonable money, and paying no tax, he still only gives you the £7 per week, which was calculated based upon him not working
  3. He sleeps with other women
  4. He tells you he sleeps with other women (to hurt you)
  5. He doesn't see his child
  6. He tells you that people at work, say that he's handsome and that you're ugly
  7. He's a sex pest.
  8. You've only ever been with him, so you regard some of the above to be normal, when it absolutely is not.

Re number 6, that's a lie. Even if you thought a couple were mismatched, you'd NEVER say so. So, he's made that up to hurt you.

He's an arse hole.

Change his name in your phone to TURD, don't answer calls, only communicate by text/e-mail and only about your child.

Move on, and date again. There are billions of men on this planet. Why settle for this absolute knob jockey?

ecuse · 07/10/2016 18:55

He sounds awful. You haven't told us anything at all that sound like you even like him. Run, run away as far and as quickly as possible!

thewomanwiththepearlearring · 07/10/2016 19:36

Do you think once DS dad actually loves someone else, he would change for that person? Can abusers change?

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Spice22 · 07/10/2016 19:42

Words fail me. Goodluck OP (ur better alone)

PollyBanana · 07/10/2016 19:48

£7 a week for all the sex he wants is pretty cheap

eatsleephockeyrepeat · 07/10/2016 19:56

Don't torture yourself thinking about it OP. I bet you're thinking right now "what if I could change, maybe he'd be different". Don't do it. In truth yes, people can be completely different with different people, but you will always be you, and you are just as you should be. You will find someone who you both bring out the best in each other, none of this "change yourself" stuff, and it will be so easy. So easy to be in love with them.

Your mind is looking for an easy way out here, a way to avoid the pain of a breakup, but I think you'd be lying to yourself if you said you thought that was possible. Honestly OP, do you really think you want to live like this? By all means it's your choice, but your original post made it clear it's one that in your heart you've already made.

thewomanwiththepearlearring · 07/10/2016 20:32

PollyBanana Shock Sad

eat You are so right and no I don't want to live like this. It's tiring and exhausting. I'm going to try to move on and to not look back.

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MrsKellyJones · 07/10/2016 21:36

I don't think that people do change even for "the right" person.

My ex wasn't like this but he did nothing bar go to work. I couldn't spend the rest of my life like that, ended up leaving and he's now so happy with the new wife...but it's only because at the moment she's happy to do it all. I made it till our DC was 3, their baby has just turned 1 so I guess we'll see if she's still so happy with it in a few years time.

With regards to our child, he still does the bare minimum that he can get away with.

You sound like a really clever and motivated person. Keep away from him, build a life for you and your son and look at the freedom programme too. Good luck!

thewomanwiththepearlearring · 07/10/2016 21:59

How are you doing now MrsKellyJones did you find it hard to move on? I wished I left DS dad at the age your son was.

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MrsKellyJones · 08/10/2016 07:22

Hi

Because we were dead in the water I actually moved on pretty quickly with someone I'd known for a while already and we've been together for nearly 7 years now with another child.

We are very happy but ex casts a constant shadow in our lives because he insist on keeping up appearance of an involved dad and thinks he can still be the man of the house. To be honest it would have been so much easier for me if he wasn't involved but DC does love their dad so I play the long game. She got quite a big glimpse of the real him recently and was really hurt.

MrsKellyJones · 08/10/2016 07:25

Hi

Because we were dead in the water I actually moved on pretty quickly with someone I'd known for a while already and we've been together for nearly 7 years now with another child.

We are very happy but ex casts a constant shadow in our lives because he insist on keeping up appearance of an involved dad and thinks he can still be the man of the house. To be honest it would have been so much easier for me if he wasn't involved but DC does love their dad so I play the long game. She got quite a big glimpse of the real him recently and was really hurt.

FWIW the sex thing is wrong on so many levels. There was an element of expectation with mine too whereas now I never feel pressured which makes me much more up for it.

thewomanwiththepearlearring · 13/10/2016 10:59

Hey all;

DS dad apologised to me for what he told me last week , he said he will like to see me and talk and where we could meet would be of my choosing. I told him that he was just using me and he replied that he hasn't been using me, that we haven't had sex for 8 months and wouldn't he of run of by now.

I hanged up... But I'm not going to lie, my heart still lingers for him. Was what he said all bullshit? Sad

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ShatnersWig · 13/10/2016 11:23

How can you STILL be asking if what he said was all bullshit?

Seriously? After everyone being so absolutely unanimous in pointing out this guy is a total cunt, not just to you, but in general.

How can your heart linger for a total cunt? Do we have to come round there and smack you round the face with a wet kipper?

WAKE UP! Have NOTHING to do with this wanker except for any sort of necessary communication regarding parenting. There are so many decent guys out there, why would you waste one more second of thought on this guy? Seriously.

TheSilveryPussycat · 13/10/2016 11:41

Yes it was bullshit. All bullshit.

When I left an abusive relationship, there was still a small glowing ember that lingered in my heart...it cooled, it faded, it died. (Surprisingly quickly.)

SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 13/10/2016 11:55

Don't answer the phone to him ffs! As if he meant a word of an "apology". Come on!

MrsKellyJones · 13/10/2016 13:26

Don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth!

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 13/10/2016 15:09

Yes it was all bullshit.

You are in your early twenties. You have a child old enough for parents' evenings. You haven't had a relationship with anyone else. I bet he is older than you. I bet you had a rough family life in your teens. Right?

Sweetheart, you were groomed when you were too young to know better and then sexually abused by him for years.

You should not ever be in the same room as him.

You should see your GP and ask about getting counselling for the years of sexual abuse and coercive sex. Tell the GP about him fully expecting you to have sex with him as a payment in kind when the CMS forced him to pay his £7 child maintenance. Tell the GP you found it hard to say no and you feel like you are at fault for not wanting to have sex with him. You will get help.

thewomanwiththepearlearring · 13/10/2016 15:34

run DS dad is just a year and a half older than me.

He said he would like to have a relationship with the me but feels ik leading him astray? Eg. By not seeing him. He is also moving to a new house and is seeing like its some sort of fresh start and we can all try and be a family again. But a huge part of me is saying no no no no no, but the other part of me is saying... Well let's try. I did tell him that the 7 a week is not enough money for DS at all; but he replied saying it's the law, that if child maintance have assessed his money and say that he has to pay 7 a week then so be it. I did tell them he could add more to it Confused and pay for DD clothing and so forth.

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Anniegetyourgun · 13/10/2016 15:46

Gosh, if you're expected to put out for £7 a week maintenance money, imagine what he'd expect if you were living under his roof at his expense. And yes, , as you so rightly point out, child maintenance is the minimum; there's no such thing as a maximum. Just stick with the "no no no no no" as this guy is talking Grade A rubbish from word 1 onwards.

ShatnersWig · 13/10/2016 15:51

Seriously, if you get back with this total cunt, you're bringing nothing but a load more shit down on yourself and your poor DS.

What more do we all need to do, here? We have shouted until we are blue in the face that this is an abusive cunt, you were having nothing to do with him, he rings you up and says a few words and now part of you is thinking give it a go? Absolutely see your GP and get some counselling. NOW.

For fuck's sake, can you take that part of you that is even slightly remotely considering trying again with this fucking cunt and cut it out of your body and throw it away.

I really cannot understand why you need yet more validation from us. No one thinks you should get back with him. NO ONE. If this thread goes on for 24 pages, there will still be no one who thinks you should get back with him,

Your self-esteem is clearly shot to pieces because you've spent so long with this fuckwit, but if you won't do it for yourself, do it for your poor child, and stay the hell away from this total and utter cunt.

I wish to point out I have never ever used the c word on MN or real life. THAT'S how bad this fucker is.

thewomanwiththepearlearring · 13/10/2016 16:20

Thanks shat and anny you are both totally right. I'm being a fool to consider going back out with him and I need to think of my DS. I know DS dad has been sexually abused when he was younger and I think he feels that this is normal... Actually... No I need to snap out of it and stop making excuses for him regardless of what happened to him in the past.

I do need some counselling Sad as my self esteem is shattered to the floor. DS is getting older and I don't want to deal with this mans behaviour when I (hopefully) get into my 30s.

I need to do this for DS once and for all.

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TheSilveryPussycat · 13/10/2016 17:36

Please keep listening to the huge part of you that's saying No, No, No, No, No.