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Don't know what to make of this

85 replies

Hagothehills · 22/09/2016 10:43

Sorry, it's long

Been with dp nearly ten years and have almost 3yo DS together. I was training to be a chef when I fell pregnant, he wasn't planned but is loved very much now he's here.

My original plan was to get a job as a chef after I finished my diploma, work for a while and then we would think about babies. As it happens, the baby appeared before the job.

DS is in nursery two afternoons a week and I originally thought that I would go back to work when he started there, thinking I would start in the afternoon and work until late evening, not unusual for chefs, but dp was very negative about this and it never happened.

Now DS is starting preschool in a few weeks, he normally wouldn't until January as that's when he's eligible for the 3 year funding but it's an academy and they take them as soon as they turn 3. It's five mornings a week. I really want to go back to work, only part time so I don't miss out on DS too much, with him at preschool in the morning and wrap around care for when it finishes. So I could work two or three days a week.

Now dp seems dead set against this too. He won't even entertain the idea of a childminder, says it won't be worth the money, if I want to work 'go and do nights in asda'.

I don't want to work in asda. I'm not a shelf stacker, I want to use my bloody diploma and do something I actually really love (I decided to train after working in a busy kitchen and it was the best job i ever had, I actively looked forward to going to work. I've worked in retail and hated it with a passion).

My mum has offered to look after him after preschool two days a week and I haven't spoken to mil yet but I'm 100% certain that if she can mind him she would be delighted too. They both work full time so have to work around that but both dote on ds. I don't mind working two days and an evening, three days, two long days, whatever to make child care doable. But dp is adamant that it won't be doable.

It feels like all he wants me to do is stay at home with the kid and clean the house. Both of my parents worked full time when I was little and still do now so I know it is doable.

Just had quite a nasty argument with dp about this over the phone. He's in work atm. He keeps calling now but I'm not answering because I don't want to be snarled at and sworn at which is what he did when I told him I was looking at childminders. He said 'stop looking at childminders and get the fucking house clean'.

The house is a bit of a state atm because he's just done three nights and I didn't want to disturb his sleep clattering about cleaning in the day and by the time DS was in bed there was really only time for the very basics. I was going to have a good blast of it today while DS is in nursery and I can power through it with no distractions.

Sorry this is a bit rambly! I'm just feeling a bit shaken atm :(

OP posts:
booksandcoffee · 22/09/2016 19:39

OPlease, he threatened you. Leave him. Get out with your child and be safe. Good luck.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 22/09/2016 19:40

Hago

Re your comment:-

"He then gave me a list of jobs to do. I must have given him the evil eye because he said give me that look again and it will be the last look you give. I said are you threatening me now? He said no I'm telling you I work too hard to support this family for you to act like a lazy bastard"

He can stick his list where the sun does not shine frankly.
He threatened you and then stated that you act like a lazy bastard. What a nice term NOT to call the mother of his child. This is what he really does think of you. Your son cannot afford to grow up in such an environment. I suppose at some point he will start acting nice and act like nothing has happened. He'll probably try and buy you off with a coffee and or a take out meal.

Now you are seeing what he is really like. He treats you like a serf, infact an employee would have more rights than you have. You are not on the mortgage nor does he ever intend to put you on it. He regards his house and his and I would not count on inheriting it either if he was to die suddenly.

Marriage as well to you is not ever on the cards either, you are his "she will do for now" woman/skivvy.

Abusive people can be nice sometimes but the nice/nasty cycle is a continuous one.

Why are you together at all now? I also think he will actively go all out to stop you from working as well.

booksandcoffee · 22/09/2016 19:40

Meant to start "OP".

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 22/09/2016 19:52

I'm sorry Op this sounds like an awful situation now. When you wrote "unplanned" DC derailed your career and then followed up with your dps behaviour, I kind of got to wondering what unplanned meant ... Ie from the sounds of it I can actually imagine he did it on purpose (hole in condom anyone?) to stop you from having your career?

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 22/09/2016 19:58

You need to get your shit together and get money aside and then go.

If not for you, then do it for your DS who will either grow up being treated like shit by his father or who will turn into an adult who will think its ok to treat his partner this way.

Do you have access to money?

Hagothehills · 22/09/2016 19:58

Not hole in condom, pill fail

OP posts:
BanditoShipman · 22/09/2016 20:00

jesus Christ op you need to get away from this man :(

ExpatTrailingSpouse · 22/09/2016 20:07

hago - I'm sorry this might sound horrible but that's actually relieving. Especially based on your last couple of posts. It really doesn't sound like a good situation you are in and I hope you can get it sorted. Like many others here, it sounds to me as if he is definitely controlling/abusive and coming close to being physically so. Please take care and let us know what you decide to do.

AnyFucker · 22/09/2016 20:16

it won't be long until he hits you

I suggest you don't stick around to see how long it takes

your son is learning some very damaging lessons

Naicehamshop · 22/09/2016 20:22

This sounds frightening OP. Please think very very seriously about staying with this man. Sad

buckingfrolicks · 22/09/2016 20:27

That's bad OP really bad from him. I'd honestly be out of there asap. He sounds aggressive in the extreme.

2kids2dogsnosense · 22/09/2016 20:39

For the lucky ones work is more than extra cash - it gives us meaning and joy.

It sounds from what you say that you could be one of these - you have the qualifications for a job you love, and there is always a demand for good caterers in kitchens in hotels, care homes, restaurants - if you want it go for it!

If you don't you will become more and more miserable and depressed and you will begin to intensely resent your DP. Yes, you could wait until DS is ld enough for school, but most jobs of this nature don't keep school hours. In addition to this, the longer you are away fro that environment, the less confident you will become about being able to cope with it, especially if your DP keeps undermining your confidence which he is doing by telling you to take a job you don't want.

If he is being like this now, it won't be long before he is complaining not just about the state of the house, but also that you are boring etc (and you will become boring if you are unhappy and depressed). You have every right to your own financial and professional independence.

You NEED this - it isn't a whim, or a fancy - this is what you need to do. He will have to shape up whether he likes it or not. It may be that your relationship doesn't survive, but ask yourself - will YOU survive as a person if you find yourself acting as this bully's personal body servant, bed-warmer and general slave?

2kids2dogsnosense · 22/09/2016 20:43

Jesus wept! I've just seen the "list of jobs"and "lazy bastard" comments!

I had no idea it was as bad as this. Please don't let him grind you down. He's frightened that you will get financial independence and that he will then be unable to control you; he's trying to stop you forming friendships outside of your home; he will sooner or later (if he isn't already) object to you meeting family members.

This is a wake-up call. Leave as soon as you can.

RandomMess · 22/09/2016 20:50

He works hard to pay the mortgage on HIS house, whilst you work hard looking after HIS child, and keeping HIS house clean.

Yep unpaid childcare & cleaner with sex on tap.

FetchezLaVache · 22/09/2016 20:54

I'm telling you I work too hard to support this family for you to act like a lazy bastard

Well, he's well and truly shown his hand now, hasn't he? He means to keep you at home and financially dependent so he can use it as a stick to beat you with.

MephistoMarley · 22/09/2016 20:59

He's fucking awful and he threatened you. Come on, wake up! Please.

springydaffs · 22/09/2016 23:21

He acts like you're his property. That he pays for.

You're not on the deeds because you haven't paid any of the mortgage? I doubt very much you'd get the house if he died and you're not married.

And he spoke to you like that in front of your ds? Vile.

SandyY2K · 22/09/2016 23:42

He said 'stop looking at childminders and get the fucking house clean'.

And my response would be "You aren't the boss of me."

I say it time and again. Being able to earn is liberating. I went back to work when DD was 9 months.

Does he want you to loose all your skills and become unemployable. Too controlling.

Cagliostro · 22/09/2016 23:57

So he won't put you on the deeds because you haven't contributed to the mortgage. Well you can't contribute to the mortgage because he won't let you work :(

All part of the plan.

SandyY2K · 22/09/2016 23:58

OMG .... I'd only read the first page initially.

He then gave me a list of jobs to do. I must have given him the evil eye because he said give me that look again and it will be the last look you give. I said are you threatening me now? He said no I'm telling you I work too hard to support this family for you to act like a lazy bastard.

If my DH ever spoke to me like this it wouldn't end too well.

I'm likely to simply ignore him and walk away. Never in a million years would he give me a list of jobs to do.

I think men believe looking after a baby or toddler is a walk in the park. It's not and that's why childminders are paid for it.

When my DD was a baby. .... DH came home from work one day complaining the place was a mess and he couldn'tlive like that.

I told him it was hard to get stuff done with a baby and being our first I was a new mum. He ranted about not being able to live like this for the next 18 years (not sure why he said that).

So I said he didn't have to and we could get divorced. He never mentioned it again.

OP -
You live in his house.
You aren't married
You have no job

If he wanted the relationship over ... you'd be up the creek without a paddle. Don't leave yourself vulnerable like that.

Here's something a wise person told me

"Situations of dependency, give rise to contempt"

You are financially dependent on him, so he feels he can talk to you like crap.

Go get yourself a job. ProNo.

laurenandsophie · 23/09/2016 00:09

OP, please tell your mother what you've posted here. Talk with her about it. She can help you decide what to do, and you should also make sure that people in your life are aware of what your relationship is like, just in case you need back up. Flowers

RortyCrankle · 23/09/2016 00:40

Read this:

He's funny, he's handsome, he works very hard, he's great with DS, he does lots of little things to make my life easier like making pots of coffee even though it's only me that drinks it, if I ever need anything I get it without question, we have loads in common and have some great conversations, he encourages me to question things (in a positive way), he has supported me when my family cut me off (v long story), he regularly surprises me with days out/ random takeaways.

Now read your last post.

Nothing, not one single thing on the first list can compensate for being spoken to as you described in your last message.

Please open your eyes - he is an abusive pig. Do you really want your child to be influenced by this arsehole?

Could you go home to your DM temporarily until you sorted yourself out?

Please take care.

thestamp · 23/09/2016 03:11

Serial killers have a lovely side even.

He's threatened to kill you ffs. This man is a vile criminal. You need to get out, get rid and get a job. There's less than nothing for you here.

43percentburnt · 23/09/2016 03:44

Your partner is disgusting. I was initially going to say - if he is so bothered about your ds having a parent at home then he can apply for flexible working, it's not just you who can stay home.

Then I read the full thread...

The proposal was no doubt to keep you sweet in some way.
He will never put you on the mortgage. He believes you contribute nothing as he only sees a contribution in a monetary sense. He doesn't want you to contribute financially, then you would have more say and he may have to clean the loo (unlikely - he will say 'his job is more physical/mentally draining' or his commute involves a long drive/cycle or your long drive home gives you down time, he doesn't get down time as his work is 2 minutes away'. Basically this fucker will twist things to suit himself.

It won't get better. Wait for 'you will fleece me you gold digger, only after me for my money'.

Does your mum have a spare room?

43percentburnt · 23/09/2016 03:47

Do you currently have equal access to his wages? As in a card for every account he has? Or are you and ds second class citizens in your household?