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MIL ... another 'Am I Being Unreasonable' thread

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WigWamBam · 28/01/2007 19:23

MIL used to live just around the corner so we saw her quite often, if only for short periods at a time. Last year she suddenly decided she was going to move, which she did about six months ago. It now takes a couple of hours to drive to her, so we don't see her anywhere near as often, which she and dh are now complaining about.

Originally she wanted to see dd every week, but I felt that this would eat into our weekend time too much, because with the travelling each visit takes most of the day, so we agreed on seeing her every three weeks or so, which would have meant us driving down every six weeks as we would alternate between her coming here and us going there. I questioned this at the time, as for one thing she has to rely on SIL for transport, and for another thing she rarely visited us even when she lived within walking distance, but this was what she wanted.

She's been here once in six months, and even then she wasn't here for more than 20 minutes, then went off to spend the rest of the day with a friend of hers. SIL is quite happy to bring her, but MIL is now muttering about not being able to come because our toilet is upstairs and she refuses to use our stairs (although she manages perfectly well with even steeper steps at SIL's house).

When we do go and see her, dd and I are pretty much excluded. She saves up little jobs for dh to do then leaves me and dd to our own devices while she and dh do the jobs. She has mentioned that she thinks I ought to take dd out to the shops and leave dh with her and SIL. When we saw her at Christmas they wanted lots of photographs as it was MIL's first Christmas in her new home - dd and I weren't allowed to be in any of them because we aren't MIL's children. We really might just as well not be there, as the only person she really wants to spend time with is dh - she loves to see dd, but after ten minutes she's had enough of her.

Anyway, to cut to the chase, MIL is now complaining that we don't go over often enough - we last went over on Christmas day, and she was here two weeks ago, although as I said it was only for twenty minutes, we were just somewhere convenient to stop for a cup of tea and a sandwich before she went off to see the people she really wanted to see. Dh thinks we should drive over there every other week just to keep the peace, but I really don't want to. It's a long way for dd in the car, she gets car sick so has to be medicated, neither she nor I are particularly welcome when we get there, and I have better things to do with my time than to spend four hours on the road just to be glared at by my MIL for a couple of hours.

I have so many issues with my MIL that my automatic instinct is to dig my heels in, and I find it hard to be objective about her. Is it unreasonable to tell dh that I don't want us to have to drive to her more than once a month, and that if she wants to see us any more than that it's up to her to come here? My gut feelings are that if she wanted to spend more time with us then she shouldn't have moved so far away, and she should be prepared to put herself out a bit in order to do it - but is that selfish?

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moondog · 28/01/2007 19:26

Yo udecide as a family how often you will see her.
You tell her.
You enter into no further discussions but keep your cool and remain pleasant.
Remind her she is always welcome in yuor house (even if she isn't) and remain civil when she comes.

She is spoiling for a dingdong.
Don't give her the satisfaction of joining in.

tribpot · 28/01/2007 19:27

Nutter MIL alert.

You can't be in the photos because you're not her children?! WTF?!

I would definitely not subject your dd to that drive every other weekend, how utterly tedious for a child anyway. To be honest, if dh really thinks he should go every other weekend, he should go on his own whilst you do something - as they used to say - "more entertaining instead".

Dior · 28/01/2007 19:27

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Carmenere · 28/01/2007 19:28

Can dh not bring dd over whenever he wants and you could have some me time. That is how we work it tbh. I find myself with an imminent deadline and dp brings dd.

liath · 28/01/2007 19:30

Could DH go on his own then you have a nice day with dd?? She sounds very selfish TBH.

SturdyAngel · 28/01/2007 19:31

I have huuuuuge MIL issues so may be slightly biased but...

I would tell your DH that he is quite welcome to go every other week- on his own (or with DD if you fancy a bit of "me" time)
Tell him how you feel about the visits and insist you will only go there, as originally agreed, once every 6 weeks and that MIL is welcome to visit you as previously agreed.

Out of interest is your mother around, and if so does DH come with you to visit?

colditz · 28/01/2007 19:32

WWB, now come on. You are well aware that the woman is a raving looper. You should not be trailing yourself here there and everywhere in order to please a woman who thinks you should get knicker elastic as a Christmas present.

If your dh want to see his mother more frequently, tell him he is welcome to go, but you are not going.

CamomileTea · 28/01/2007 19:33

yes send dh with dd

see how many jobs he gets done then

can't believe the bit about you and her bleedin granddaughter not being allowed to be on the photos

cut the old bint off

(I can see this no coffee lark might be making my judgement a little harsher than usual )

CamomileTea · 28/01/2007 19:35

oh god is she knicker elastic woman?

that was one of the first things I ever read on mn and it was certainly one of the major reasons I read any further

keep her so's you can tell us stories.

the woman's as mad as a fish.

WigWamBam · 28/01/2007 19:38

Colditz, I know she's a looper. But she makes me into a looper as well, and I don't know half the time whether I'm annoyed because she's being unreasonable, or just because I don't want her to be in the right!

I don't join in the ding-dongs - never have done. I won't give her the satisfaction. I am always coolness and sweetness personified ... which doesn't do much for my stress levels though!

I don't think dh really wants to go every other week, more that he sees it as the easy way out. She won't come here, so we go there kind of thing - anything for an easy life, and resigned to the fact that she won't make it easy unless we do the running. He's not a weak man but he turns into one when faced with his mother.

Neither of us want him to go on his own, he is proud of us as his family and wants dd to interact with her grandmother - but MIL just won't do it. She expects dd to play in the bedroom, away from her - she might just as well not be there.

The Christmas photos thing - MIL was banging on about "you are my children" as justification for not having me in the photos ... I just wanted him to stand up to her and say "She is my wife, and this is my child" - and he said nothing.

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WigWamBam · 28/01/2007 19:40

Sturdy - my parents are both still alive. They live closer but not very close, we see them about every two or three weeks for a couple of hours at a time. They come here sometimes, and they babysit on the odd occasion we go out - something MIL wouldn't ever do for us. Dh is happy to see them, but they adore him and make him welcome - something my MIL doesn't do for me.

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Dior · 28/01/2007 19:42

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liath · 28/01/2007 19:44

Actually I think I would dig my heels in. If you go every other week just to keep the peace it will be very quickly become the norm and very difficult to break out of. Also it would give her something to hold over you.

I don't think you sound like you're being unreasonable.

CamomileTea · 28/01/2007 19:48

my mum and I had a big chat about this once because a friend of mine had been asked by her mil if she could 'borrow' her son to fix a washing machine for the afternoon

my friend said that her dh would take all afternoon and wasn't really good at that sort of stuff, so instead she offered to pay for the mil to get a man in

the mil wasn't happy

my mother said that she probably thought she doesn't see her son very often and wanted to have him to herself for a bit. Is your mil widowed or divorced? it strikes me that having your son around to do little jobs must be reassuring as you get on if you are on your own

could the solution be that he goes down on his own to do the little jobs every six weeks, and she comes up in between to spend time as a family.

if she complains that she doesn't see you enough then, get your dh to say that you will all come down as a family but he will save the jobs for his solo visits and she must think of something you can all do as a family - trip to the park, or some other activity, that is based around actually being a grandma

if she doesn't go for that then he's got a perfectly sound reason to tell her to eff off

SturdyAngel · 28/01/2007 19:49

I think you are being more than reasonable- it it had been me I would have just point blank refused to go again and probably caused a nig scene into the bargin!! As Dior said though, your Dh must stand up to his mother and tell her that unless you are all welcome then you won't be able to visit. I could understand a couple of pictures with just her children but to ban you from all the pictures!!! I would have gone mad!!!!!

(Although, I paid for a professional photo sitting for PIL Xmas. We had lots of combinations of family but the only ones she displays are of her boys, her & FIL!! Think there is a small one with grandkids somewhere but SIL & I are noticably absent!!!)

NotQuiteCockney · 28/01/2007 19:49

Does your DH still not see how difficult your mum is with you? Is he stuck in that "she's my mum, I have to defend her no matter what" mindset that keeps people from seeing that their parents are (shocker) human beings with strengths and weaknesses?

I don't know what to suggest here, other than buying your DH a clue, which isn't very helpful I'm afraid .

tigermoth · 28/01/2007 19:52

One long car drive to MILs every six weeks wouldn't be too unreasonable IMO as long as your MIL made you welcome. But she seems more interested in seeing your dh, so I can sympathise with your frustration. I take it you and your dd are being excluded regularly, so it's not as if you caught her on an off day.

I have heard a people grow older it is common for their powers of empathy to go. I have seen this for myself with family members. It looks like she is blatently cherry picking her family (seen that as well) but may be oblivious to what she is doing. I don't know her age, but I think you might need to take that into account. Your dh hasn't noticed her personality change as such, but that doesn't mean it is not happening.

It is natural she would want to see her son. Sad that she doesn't include you and your dd. If she is in a new house and area, perhaps she feels a bit lonely and disorientated. If she is proud of being independent and keen to keep up appearances, she doesn't want to ask for local DIY help so relies on your dh for everything. Her vulnerablity is making her a bit selfish, perhaps.

I think it is a good idea for your dh to go alone to see her more than you and your dd. Let him be the one to make the long car drive every other week, as suggested. You can always phone her or write to her in between your less frequent visits. I think you seeing her once a month is fine tbh. Is there anywhere you could all meet that is half way - a pub with a garden for instance, for when the weather is warmer?

WigWamBam · 28/01/2007 19:55

She's widowed, CT - and is used to him being around to do little jobs for her. She's the sort who would sit with dd for 20 minutes while we went to a parents' evening at school, but would then expect three hours of gardening or DIY to pay for it!

She is now nearer to SIL, who is now being fairly heavily leaned on to help her out, sit with her in the evenings, take her shopping.

I have no problems with her wanting to see dh, she doesn't have to invent little jobs so that she can see us all. And I don't really care that she ignores me, she's done it for 17 years and she's not going to stop now! But she shouldn't be treating dd like that.

She has always resented the fact that I took dh away from her - despite the fact that he was in his thirties and living away when we met. She used to push herself between me and him if we took her out anywhere so that she could hold his hand, not me - I'm used to her wanting him to herself. But moving so far away wasn't the best way to get more time on her own with her son!

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pigsinmud · 28/01/2007 19:55

I'm probably not the best person to give an opinion as I'm fervently anti-mils. I wouldn't go, especially if your dd is car sick. If your dh can't say no to her then perhaps you should dig your heels in and send him on his own - I know you said that you wanted to stick together as a family, but perhaps it would make him realise how unhappy you are. Having said this my dh is totally unable to stand up to his mother - on my side when she's not there, but goes to jelly when she's around.
I have opposite problems as mil is utterly fanatical about her grandchildren (especially favouring no.1) and couldn't give 2 hoots about her son, which winds me up.
I'm new here so don't know about the knicker elastic. .... sounds like it beats our christmas present from mil of a jumbo pack (36) toilet rolls a few years back

cat64 · 28/01/2007 19:56

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suejonezisdanielsmummy · 28/01/2007 19:57

Oh WWB - how did I read the title of this thread and just know it was you. You are not being selfish you have just lost all perspective when it comes to her though years of abuse.

I also favour the "you go every two weeks if you want to but no more often and we will come with you once a month"approach with your DH and her. It is selfish of her to drag your DD so far when she doesn't travel well. The woman thinks she is the child in this relationship not the parent.

Re the photos - I can understand wanting occassional photos with you and your children only and not daughters and sones in law but only on rare occasions and in our family we would include grandchildren in those kinds of photos. Certianly don't think moving to a new house merits special photos of her and her darling children only.

Did someone else say - mad as a fish?

Sobernow · 28/01/2007 19:57

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beckybrastraps · 28/01/2007 19:59

Well, I don't have a problem with the 'little jobs' thing. My PIL, and actually even my parents, save up jobs for dh to do when we visit.

But

the not appearing in photos is wierd. And as for knicker elastic...

I agree that it you dh who needs a wakeup call on this one.

(And I am normally pretty understanding of MILs, because although mine truly is a gorgon, I have a horrible feeling I will be much the same when my time comes

beckybrastraps · 28/01/2007 20:00

But the grandchild not being in the photos really is wierd though.

WigWamBam · 28/01/2007 20:01

You've got it, NQC - he doesn't quite get it, I don't think. So regardless of how many times I try to tell him, he just carries on.

The exclusion of me and dd is a regular thing, tigermoth. She's always done it in a number of ways - she used to put herself in between me and dh so she could hold his hand if we took her out, she used to turn the topic of conversation to something that everyone but me had knowledge of, she even made a meal for us all once but left my plate empty because "I didn't know what you wanted, dear".

Dh is reluctant to go more often on his own because I do the majority of the childcare, he doesn't see much of dd during the week, so he wants to spend his time with dd. But MIL's his mum, I quite agree that he should spend time with her.

I just keep coming back to the same thing ... she CHOSE to move away from us; if dh were so important to her, maybe she should have stayed put.

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