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H has been using massage parlour

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Happymassage · 27/07/2016 18:30

Just that really. I am 35 weeks pregnant and upset is an understatement. I am a long time lurker and last week I checked his email and saw that he had messaged people on craigslist for massage services. I confronted him, he denied, saying 'you know I was researching that'. I called him on his bullshit (he did - a year ago), and then he said that he was looking into getting a massage with a handjob but did not go through with it. I told him I did not believe him, went mad at him (all via text unfortunately, as he was in no position to talk). He went to a work's drink thing that night, came back, would not speak about it, and I slept on the couch, getting only a few hours sleep. Next morning he said he would talk and admitted to visiting a place three times and getting a handjob at the end of it. I went mad on him, he seemed a bit remorseful, said sorry, but said he was stressed and it was just for stress release, that he did not see it as a sexual thing. Which I know is bullshit.

Thing is, I have been trying to engage with him sexually for months. He repeatedly turns me down, saying he is tired or that he feels uncomfortable because I am pregnant with his baby. So I feel really devastated, heavily pregnant, unattractive and rejected right now.

I have pointed out the STI risks, the moral/legal risks - this to me is a BIG deal paying for a service, using family money for an exploitation-based trade. He is evasive, and does not like to talk about it. He is away for the week unfortunately, so I am very limited in the contact, so I am left with my thoughts about how to deal with this bombshell.

It's not like we are a sexually prudish couple. Before pregnancy we actively involved others sexually. To me, it is lying and deception that is the issue. We used a site together which I then discovered he was using to contact others for his own needs (webcamming). I have caught him before on various dating/affair sites, where he has swore that he has never met with anyone and he uses them for webcamming (which is something which I said was ok, albeit reluctantly). I went mad about the sites and he said he would not do that again. All sites were deleted. Now he has gone that bit further in the lying and deception.

He is a very good husband in other ways, a great stepdad, very well house trained, caring. He has a high stress job too and several hobbies so he is very busy a lot of the time. He has been drinking a lot (at home) for the past few years. We have been through a heck of a lot together - some incredibly stressful family stuff that would break most people. We have both made sacrifices. As I said, it is a good marriage, apart from these lies. He thinks it is not cheating and has said he has never cheated on me. Every time I discover something else, I feel upset, then deflated. Perhaps because I am so heavily pregnant, this time I am at the end of it. If he cannot change, properly change, I can't see a way forward. That thought is scary as hell in my current vulnerable situation.

I have booked a relate session for us for next week. It all feels so cliched and seedy.

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Happymassage · 27/07/2016 19:26

I am not naive - I know exactly what happens in these places, which is why it has floored me. It is one thing keeping it all online, but stepping into paid-for services is too much. I am utterly vulnerable at the moment but so so angry too.

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P1nkP0ppy · 27/07/2016 19:28

....doesn't like confrontation.....
Effectively then he does whatever he likes then if he's challenged.
Personally I wouldn't want him anywhere near me or my child/children, he sounds incredibly sleazy.
I don't believe for one minute it was just a handjob (although I bet he thinks you'd find that acceptable in light of his reactions).

AskBasil · 27/07/2016 19:30

He is refusing to engage in the nuts and bolts of the relationship.

That is someone who doesn't have an emotional investment in it.

He sounds so familiar. He is conducting a secret life away from you and your family and your relationship. He is excluding you from his world. He is withholding emotional intimacy from you. The one thing that you should be able to expect from your lover, your significant other, is emotional intimacy. You don't expect that. You don't recognise the lack of it, for the bleakness it is.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 27/07/2016 19:30

online didn't do it for him any longer, he needed a new kick, he will tire of that too

MammouthTask · 27/07/2016 19:32

Yes and he knows you are very vulnerable and therefore he is much more likely to get away with it.

I agree with IT about different steps to take but now is not the right time.
It doesn't stop you from making extremely clear to him that he has massively overstepped boundaries and that you will NOT accept anything else like that from him. Last try before he is out of the house if he is doing anything like this again (and you really need to believe it).
He also has to understand that HE has to regain your trust, trust that he has utterly destroyed with his lies. put the ball in his camp and see what happens. He might step up to it and in 3 months, you might say 'well actually things are better' or he might not and will have told yoou all you need to know.
Eg I gather you are the one who has booked relate counselling. Why not him? Does he realise how badly he has behaved and how precarious his position is?

timelytess · 27/07/2016 19:34

The advice, above from IT and others, is excellent.

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notapizzaeater · 27/07/2016 19:35

He's totally ignoring your feelings on this. What if you'd gine to a massage parlour ? He needs to want to change and nothing you've said gives that impression.

Take care of yourself

MilesHuntsWig · 27/07/2016 19:36

He sounds phenomenally selfish and is not a good DH by any stretch of the imagination.

I think the advice from IT is very sound too.

Happymassage · 27/07/2016 19:37

Ask basil, that is what I have been pointing out to him. The lack of emotional intimacy. I feel very alone sometimes. He is a very busy person and is morally sound in every way but this. That's why it is so hard to come to terms with. I don't believe he is abusive, just being selfish and thoughtless and thinking of his own needs and trying to protect himself, so I do take offence to the poster who said I don't know what emotional abuse is! My relationship previous to him was about as extreme as you can get in regards to emotional abuse and I went through years of therapy for it, so I do recognise the signs etc.

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Christinayangstwistedsista · 27/07/2016 19:39

What has he done to deal with the lack of intimacy?

Happymassage · 27/07/2016 19:42

Christina, that is something that still needs to be addressed. The problem is, he is so busy that we get little time to sit and properly talk about things. Next week will be the first opportunity.

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Happymassage · 27/07/2016 19:44

I honestly think he would be ok with me going to a massage parlour. Not that that interests me. It is the lies, the constant lies that I cannot get over.

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Christinayangstwistedsista · 27/07/2016 19:47

It's very hard to get through to someone like him, when there is a lack of emotional intimacy it makes it so easy for him to compartmentalise his life

MammouthTask · 27/07/2016 19:48

Happy it seems that he was not busy enough that he couldn't find the time to use webcam or go to the parlour.
He could have used that time to be with you.
Besides, intimacy is first about emotional intimacy and this doesn't take that much time at all....

And I'm sorry but I don't think he thought you were OK with it. If he was, then 1- there was no need to lie and 2- he would have been hugely apologetic.

PaulDacreCuntyMcCuntFace · 27/07/2016 19:48

He's a liar.

You had sexual arrangements which suited you both - and he pushed those boundaries by going behind your back.

He's then messaged people behind your back and gone to a brothel behind your back.

Lots of things going on behind you back, aren't there? I can't imagine being in a LTR with someone who is so deceitful and who has such little regard for me.

Christinayangstwistedsista · 27/07/2016 19:48

With someone like him you are constantly reaching your hand out but are left hanging

P1nkP0ppy · 27/07/2016 19:49

If he would be ok with you going to a massage parlour then he's definitely opted out big time. My DH would go bl...y ballistic and end the marriage!

There's zero respect for you op, and like it or not, that's emotional abuse. Full stop. And as for being ' morally sound', that's utter bullshit, plain and simple if he's behaving like this.

MammouthTask · 27/07/2016 19:50

And you are totally right about the lies. THIS is the one thing that cannot happen.

In your head, do you have a 'if he lies to me just one more time, regardless of the lie, then he is out of the hoouse' type of line in you head.
Would you really carry that through?
You need to set up boundaries, VERY clear boundaries and know what will happen if he crosses those. And you need to tell him about them.

So want are your boundaries?

SandyY2K · 27/07/2016 19:51

But the thing is his sexual needs will just increase. After a while the happy endings won't be enough for him.

There was a married man I was supporting and it went from happy endings in a thai place, to a woman who did it in her house, to him finding an escort with the 'girlfriend experience' - where he went all the way.

In.my experience they lie about the number of times. He says 3, double that at the least.

What of when DC arrives and you're shattered after sleepless nights?

He'll be off looking for stress release again won't he. Using money that should be for the family.

wherearemymarbles · 27/07/2016 19:52

The problem is you cant help an alcoholic until they realise they are one and want help.

Your husband honestly thinks he has done no wrong so gets cross if you say he has.

He doesnt want sex with you so gets it elsewhere but doesnt see it as problem.

This aside, what happens if your sex drive dissapears after children or 5-10 years down the - can you trust him?

He may well be brilliant at everything - except emotional intimacy. Who brought up the idea of swinging?

I hope councelling helps you both as not to be rude, no one here can.

SandyY2K · 27/07/2016 19:53

Mammoth

You make excellent points in your last post.

rumred · 27/07/2016 20:11

Perhaps he could shelve his hobbies for a while and try sorting his personal problems out? He's choosing to be busy/avoid dealing with the real issues by the sounds of it

Happymassage · 27/07/2016 20:12

Yes, I thought I had those boundaries set up. These need to be revisited in a major way. I am not going to let this go by any stretch of the imagination.

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Happymassage · 27/07/2016 20:15

We had a it of a break of a month in our relationship and we decided to get back together. Everything else feels really right with him. We decided together that we would explore other sexual avenues - to me (and he has always known this) it was under the proviso that it always involved both of us and transparency was paramount. That is not the issue here - it is that he has decided to lie and not be transparent any more.

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Christinayangstwistedsista · 27/07/2016 20:15

The boundaries only work if the consequences are acted upon

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