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Has DH got problems or is he just an arsehole? Help with how to help him (and me)

116 replies

thepandastortilla · 23/07/2016 22:38

I'll start by saying H is very successful, despite his qualities (listed below.) He has worked for decades in international companies and according to ex colleagues, miraculously stopped just short of getting fired for his behaviour most days. Now he works for himself and still miraculously manages to keep the money coming in. I believe this is because he has a strong support network of people, especially me, his parents, his brother and a few loyal friends, who absorb his behaviour.

People have told me he displays all the qualities of someone with ADHD. Others have told me that he is potentially on the spectrum. Sometimes I feel that he is just a total arsehole. But I am exhausted from it all. Please tell me what you think - these are some of the things that happen:

He gets severe and sudden sensory problems: hunger, tiredness and thirst that must be immediately dealt with. Everyone has to stop what they are doing and help him. The same with changes of temperature, loud or quiet sounds, or smells. He gets very affected in a v short time, so can go from totally fine to freaking out unable to breathe from frustration the next. It can change an entire day or turn a whole situation that is supposed to be focused on someone or something else (a DC's birthday for example) on to him. I have been on a plane with him and the plane has had to be landed because he freaked out about a sound and was worrying people with his erratic behaviour. But he does not seem to foresee or prepare for these scenarios. Like he will not eat breakfast. Or he will wear the wrong clothes. Or he will not take any steps, away from the environments situations to tackle his reactions.

He has daily meltdowns, sometimes several a day. His emotions are so fragile that someone says or does something minor and he cannot let it go, deal with it or be talked down. It can mean hours of shouting, violence (towards objects) furious correspondence, phonecalls, in extreme cases doorstepping people, wild accusations, threatening litigation and massive escalations of the original problem. He forgets to eat/drink he is so upset and then has one of his sensory episodes (like above.) These dramas always trump everything else in our family life and render him totally useless. If I comment on this and how frequently it happens or ask him how he thinks he can prepare for it in the future I get accused of not caring about him and the things that "happen" to him.

He finds it impossible to judge any social situation. He walks into a room of people, talking very loudly at them upon entry about whatever is going round in his brain. No gauging the room, no reading the atmosphere, no seeing whether there were already other conversations going on. He just steers everything on to his present obsession. If he comes up against an equally dominant personality or is uncomfortable he will come to me, announce he wants to leave and have a meltdown (like above) if I don't want to leave with him, or tell him to go home alone.

He has no sense of the noise he makes and can't do anything quietly. Ironic considering his problems with sounds other people make. He will slam doors and crash around at 4am when everyone is asleep. He will speak loudly outside the DC's rooms when I've just got them off to bed. He will walk into a room of people having a conversation and start to play a video on his phone. I will be asleep and suddenly realise i am awake, because he is playing a news video (he follows the news obsessively). If I tell him it is not acceptable he says I do not understand how important this news story is and how this news story effects me as much as it effects him. He has an Armageddon mentality sometimes, believing the world is about to go to war which he uses to justify his insistence on his view. The latest obsession was the coup in Turkey which he was checking on every 1-2 minutes through the night.

He is forgetful and careless. He is always the person whose phone goes off in a funeral, at a wedding or at the cinema. When he gets the inevitable "looks" from fellow audience members he perceives them as a threat, confrontational or hostile and has a meltdown (like above), escalating the problem. He doesn't notice if the fuss he makes ruins the ceremony or performance.

For any event outside of the house, he will ignore any instructions about timings, routes or customs, then find he is blocked or gets lost, or goes the wrong way despite everyone's attempts at preparing him for the process, providing instructions, issuing maps, for months beforehand (which he denies they ever did.) My chest tightens whenever he or we receive invitations with complicated instructions or important timescales because i know despite my efforts to prepare him we will not make it.

He disobeys or does not "see" signs or rules. I can guarantee if a sign says "this way" with an arrow, he will go in the opposite direction. Or if it says an area is out of bounds, he will deliberately walk into it. When he gets caught he says he didn't know. He gets away with a lot of "one-offs," because people only see that one time. Only I know that they are not one offs and he habitually breaks rules. I just don't know if he notices the rules in the first place.

Lateness: if we have to be somewhere at 10 and it is an hour drive, the DC and I will be packed and ready at 9, call for him and he will start getting ready at 9. Shower, find clothes (where's his shirt? Tie? Clean trousers?) I will have reminded him about it the night before and the two days before that and begged him not to be late, but he will have forgotten. I will have set an alarm and woken him up but then he will have threatened a tiredness sensory episode and so I will have retreated. We normally arrive anywhere between 30 mins-1.5 hours late to anything we go to. Weddings are the worst because we usually miss the ceremony because he is not ready.

His emotionally volatile days ensure that he cannot interact with the DC in any meaningful way (3yo and 20 mo) nor meet their needs. They both find him emotionally unpredictable and will often not go to him and hide behind me when he calls them.

Driving: he has multiple speeding offenses. He was banned from driving once for a few years, now he's back on the road and losing points again. He doesn't indicate, doesn't obey traffic lights, doesn't keep his eyes on the road, he drifts into the layby or near to the barrier on a motorway. He drives over two lanes with the white line going down the middle of the car. He always misses turnoffs. He speeds up when the car in front's break lights go on. We (DC and I) no longer drive with him.

He is nocturnal. There is no night of sleep i have had in my life with him where I could safely say when I wake up he would be still in the bed next to me. He is usually watching the news (like I say, he is obsessed with the news and the potential end of the world,) eating or working. This means he gets episodes of tiredness and sleeps a lot during the day. As you can imagine, all the sensory circumstances have to be right for him to sleep in the daytime which is very hard on me with 2 DC who want to play. Again, i feel it is my responsibility to enable this to happen - otherwise he will have a meltdown creating an even bigger problem for me.

Why am I with him? He is brilliant at what he does. He is top in his field at it, and he is fascinating to talk to when he gets going. He's so intelligent, life with him is often quite exciting; travel, opportunities etc. He is very loyal. He tells me every day that I am the love of his life and he doesn't know what he would do without me.

His eccentricity was beguiling at first. Before DC we could both do our own thing with no responsibilities, and I wouldn't suffer any of the fall out from his issues because i could take a break and go off somewhere and do something else during his meltdowns. But having DC with someone, as I've learnt, changes everything and we are now in a dynamic where I am the rescuer.

Post DC, I have taken responsibility and he hasn't. I now wait from minute to minute wondering what is going to happen next on the roller coaster of our lives that I will have to absorb. I spend my time managing, enabling, containing and placating him to keep the DC's lives as normal as possible.

Also I find that I am filled with anxiety over what will cause the next meltdown and how it will affect my life. Will he accuse the next friend I have round of wearing perfume that is making him ill? Is he going to do something today that will get him in trouble because his meltdown gets out of control and I'm not there? Can I really go to that birthday lunch my friend asked me to reserve a date for months ago without him having a huge meltdown over something that day which requires me to completely stop what i'm doing and talk it over and solve it for him?

I know the obvious solution is to just not engage, to leave him to deal with it and take care of me and the DC. But if I do not step in as rescuer, it escalates until it becomes much worse to do nothing. Sometimes he can work himself up to a point where he is crying and banging his head against a wall. Or he is shouting at me and blaming me for not caring about him or not being on his side. I don't want the DC to have to see this, so it's always just easier to placate him and try to calm him. If I did just walk off with the DC when he started kicking off, things would escalate and he would probably perceive me as leaving him/taking the DC away and god knows what he would do.

After some recent extreme meltdowns I have asked him to take some kind of mental health/behaviour assessment after I've done my research. He has begrudgingly accepted. We will pay privately. What should I get him assessed for?

OP posts:
Footle · 24/07/2016 14:41

OP, I hope you're still reading though it can't be easy.

mix56 · 24/07/2016 14:50

OnTheRise makes some good points. if he professes to love you so much, Why can he not watch the news in another room at night ?
If you tell him to get ready for X time, he can do it, but doesn't. You should go without him.
Not eating when he knows he will have an "episode" later is lazy.

I am sure he does have some kind of spectrum MH issue, but he isn't trying to control his behaviour & that sounds just self serving.
& I doubt whether its one, or the other, or a mixture of both he will be able to reign it in.
You & your children, clearly need to get away to safety. & I agree that the support you get from his family is because without you there, they would have to deal with it.

KindDogsTail · 24/07/2016 15:06

I too think his family may be using you to deal with him.

ladylambkin · 24/07/2016 15:14

Sorry to read all that. Personally I could not live a life like that and would remove myself and children from the situation. However this is your life and I realise you may not want to take this route. No advice really, it's too big to tackle for me

BowiesJumper · 24/07/2016 15:25

Wow. What a lot to cope with.

As others have said, personally I would remove my children from a the situation. They would be my priority. You cannot take responsibility for his actions, he clearly needs help, and you can support him, but from a distance. I would separate from him, so that the children are not exposed daily to these behaviours.

OnTheRise · 24/07/2016 21:06

Your husband sounds like he just about managed at work which suggests he can rein in his behaviour, but obviously doesn't make the same effort at home, it is this which is controlling and worrying and not 'loving' at all.

Indeed.

Wildberryprincess · 24/07/2016 21:17

It's very typical for people with asd to hold it together in school/work and then for things to go pear-shaped once home.
People on the spectrum can be controlling, but that is more to do with finding ways of dealing with their own anxieties. Ocd-tendencies for example.
I wonder if there is any way of living separately though as it sounds unbearable.

user1469017213 · 24/07/2016 23:12

OP hasn't come back for 3 pages.

Gosh I felt rather scared and anxious just reading OP's post. OP's young children must be feeling similarly. I think its totally unfair on the children to bring them up in this shouty, chaotic and dangerous environment. It sounds totally exhausting for OP, and I am sure it must be taking its toll. Even if OP did want to stay with him (do you?) it would be much better if you lived separately your children could still see their father and maybe you would get a night's sleep.

JinkxMonsoon · 24/07/2016 23:31

I don't think it matters what his diagnosis is - he sounds like a deeply disturbed, volatile, dangerous man, and your children will be damaged by these meltdowns and rages and, frankly, shit scary behaviour.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 25/07/2016 00:29

When you leave, he will go crazy at you, about you, at himself maybe. Prepare for that. Use the many services available: solicitors, ambulance, police, social services, as necessary. Your easiest life actually comes from getting it done as quickly and finally as possible. Get you and the kids into your new life as fast as you can.

You know he will kick off appallingly, so plan it all in secret well in advance then move swiftly and decisively.

PsychedelicSheep · 25/07/2016 01:00

You can't just decide to get him assessed can you, even if you go private? Surely the team involved will decide what they're able to offer, not everyone who requests a mental health assessment gets one in the nhs anyway (I work in this field)

mathanxiety · 25/07/2016 03:22

They are going to go private.

ElspethFlashman · 25/07/2016 09:35

Not sure how much sympathy I can muster for someone who subjects their children to this daily horror tbh.

mix56 · 26/07/2016 07:09

I am certain that is not very helpful.
OP is already aware there is a problem, & is like any other woman needing to separate for whatever reason, it is not just take the kids & leave, their are a plethora of obstacles, not least that when you marry you are in love, & believe "in sickness & in health" does have some morality...
What are the laws in the UK re divorce with a person with mental issues?? where I live it is not possible. Walk out Yes, but the responsability remains....

Footle · 26/07/2016 07:15

The grounds for divorce in the UK are straightforward : 'unreasonable behaviour'.

eyebrowsonfleek · 26/07/2016 15:38

Mix56 That sounds horrible. If your spouse became an addict or alcoholic then you couldn't leave? (I know that OP's h is neither or those but I'm talking about adults who can only be helped if they are willing to work on it)

Footle · 26/07/2016 15:39

OP, there's a thread in Relationships just now ( I'm sure I did the right thing, but my marriage may be over ). Your family set-up could develop in a similar way, given that children will actively display characteristics they learn from parents.

OrlandaFuriosa · 26/07/2016 21:34

Mix, that used to be the position here too in the 19 century. Hence the scandal when jane Eyre was written by Charlotte Bronte, and she said nice things about Thackeray, because what she didn't know when she wrote Jane Eyre with the first Mrs Rochester being the madwoman in the attic was that his wife was mad but he couldn't divorce her. It was later seen as unfair, but it took years.

Sorry, off thread but an interesting fact for trivia...

Peonylass · 26/07/2016 21:52

He sounds like my dad. My dad has I think aspergers and also borderline personality disorder or ptsd.

Life growing up with him is awful. My middle sister ended up dying young, an alcoholic and drug addict. Both myself and my other sister have anxiety disorders. Personally I consider I have cptsd.

Obviously you love him, but please protect the kids. Seperate homes, boarding school, whatever

blackcherries · 13/09/2016 22:20

Any update on this thepandastortilla ?

Cleorapter · 13/09/2016 22:39

He sounds like someone I know who has ASD, ADHD and Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Flowers It must be incredibly hard to live with.

Unicornsandrainbows3 · 14/09/2016 00:45

I agree with ASD and ODD too. He needs to get properly assessed and he needs to get help. Having said that I'd be leaving with the children as this a horribly harmful environment for them and for you. And ultimately for you H too. Speaking from experience you can't change anything unless he does it himself. Right now he can behave this way because there are no consequences. He continues to get away with it (threatening self harm if you leave being one example). While I do feel for him you need to put yourself and your children first.

Mosseywossey · 14/09/2016 00:54

He may be good at his job but would he be without you? And do you love him? You sound frazzled! Go to gp and counselling and talk through options. It possible that they can diagnose something and help him and you

TendonQueen · 14/09/2016 01:05

Even if he has autism or some other condition, you are not obliged to stay with him. Even without children, you could just do this for yourself. But I hope your kids will be reason enough to decide you have to go.

MrsPeterParker · 14/09/2016 18:23

These sound like symptoms of Schizophrenia to me. This is the reason for sleeplessness, noise he was hearing, the genius he exhibits and all the lack of emotion you were talking about. Sorry to know about that