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Has DH got problems or is he just an arsehole? Help with how to help him (and me)

116 replies

thepandastortilla · 23/07/2016 22:38

I'll start by saying H is very successful, despite his qualities (listed below.) He has worked for decades in international companies and according to ex colleagues, miraculously stopped just short of getting fired for his behaviour most days. Now he works for himself and still miraculously manages to keep the money coming in. I believe this is because he has a strong support network of people, especially me, his parents, his brother and a few loyal friends, who absorb his behaviour.

People have told me he displays all the qualities of someone with ADHD. Others have told me that he is potentially on the spectrum. Sometimes I feel that he is just a total arsehole. But I am exhausted from it all. Please tell me what you think - these are some of the things that happen:

He gets severe and sudden sensory problems: hunger, tiredness and thirst that must be immediately dealt with. Everyone has to stop what they are doing and help him. The same with changes of temperature, loud or quiet sounds, or smells. He gets very affected in a v short time, so can go from totally fine to freaking out unable to breathe from frustration the next. It can change an entire day or turn a whole situation that is supposed to be focused on someone or something else (a DC's birthday for example) on to him. I have been on a plane with him and the plane has had to be landed because he freaked out about a sound and was worrying people with his erratic behaviour. But he does not seem to foresee or prepare for these scenarios. Like he will not eat breakfast. Or he will wear the wrong clothes. Or he will not take any steps, away from the environments situations to tackle his reactions.

He has daily meltdowns, sometimes several a day. His emotions are so fragile that someone says or does something minor and he cannot let it go, deal with it or be talked down. It can mean hours of shouting, violence (towards objects) furious correspondence, phonecalls, in extreme cases doorstepping people, wild accusations, threatening litigation and massive escalations of the original problem. He forgets to eat/drink he is so upset and then has one of his sensory episodes (like above.) These dramas always trump everything else in our family life and render him totally useless. If I comment on this and how frequently it happens or ask him how he thinks he can prepare for it in the future I get accused of not caring about him and the things that "happen" to him.

He finds it impossible to judge any social situation. He walks into a room of people, talking very loudly at them upon entry about whatever is going round in his brain. No gauging the room, no reading the atmosphere, no seeing whether there were already other conversations going on. He just steers everything on to his present obsession. If he comes up against an equally dominant personality or is uncomfortable he will come to me, announce he wants to leave and have a meltdown (like above) if I don't want to leave with him, or tell him to go home alone.

He has no sense of the noise he makes and can't do anything quietly. Ironic considering his problems with sounds other people make. He will slam doors and crash around at 4am when everyone is asleep. He will speak loudly outside the DC's rooms when I've just got them off to bed. He will walk into a room of people having a conversation and start to play a video on his phone. I will be asleep and suddenly realise i am awake, because he is playing a news video (he follows the news obsessively). If I tell him it is not acceptable he says I do not understand how important this news story is and how this news story effects me as much as it effects him. He has an Armageddon mentality sometimes, believing the world is about to go to war which he uses to justify his insistence on his view. The latest obsession was the coup in Turkey which he was checking on every 1-2 minutes through the night.

He is forgetful and careless. He is always the person whose phone goes off in a funeral, at a wedding or at the cinema. When he gets the inevitable "looks" from fellow audience members he perceives them as a threat, confrontational or hostile and has a meltdown (like above), escalating the problem. He doesn't notice if the fuss he makes ruins the ceremony or performance.

For any event outside of the house, he will ignore any instructions about timings, routes or customs, then find he is blocked or gets lost, or goes the wrong way despite everyone's attempts at preparing him for the process, providing instructions, issuing maps, for months beforehand (which he denies they ever did.) My chest tightens whenever he or we receive invitations with complicated instructions or important timescales because i know despite my efforts to prepare him we will not make it.

He disobeys or does not "see" signs or rules. I can guarantee if a sign says "this way" with an arrow, he will go in the opposite direction. Or if it says an area is out of bounds, he will deliberately walk into it. When he gets caught he says he didn't know. He gets away with a lot of "one-offs," because people only see that one time. Only I know that they are not one offs and he habitually breaks rules. I just don't know if he notices the rules in the first place.

Lateness: if we have to be somewhere at 10 and it is an hour drive, the DC and I will be packed and ready at 9, call for him and he will start getting ready at 9. Shower, find clothes (where's his shirt? Tie? Clean trousers?) I will have reminded him about it the night before and the two days before that and begged him not to be late, but he will have forgotten. I will have set an alarm and woken him up but then he will have threatened a tiredness sensory episode and so I will have retreated. We normally arrive anywhere between 30 mins-1.5 hours late to anything we go to. Weddings are the worst because we usually miss the ceremony because he is not ready.

His emotionally volatile days ensure that he cannot interact with the DC in any meaningful way (3yo and 20 mo) nor meet their needs. They both find him emotionally unpredictable and will often not go to him and hide behind me when he calls them.

Driving: he has multiple speeding offenses. He was banned from driving once for a few years, now he's back on the road and losing points again. He doesn't indicate, doesn't obey traffic lights, doesn't keep his eyes on the road, he drifts into the layby or near to the barrier on a motorway. He drives over two lanes with the white line going down the middle of the car. He always misses turnoffs. He speeds up when the car in front's break lights go on. We (DC and I) no longer drive with him.

He is nocturnal. There is no night of sleep i have had in my life with him where I could safely say when I wake up he would be still in the bed next to me. He is usually watching the news (like I say, he is obsessed with the news and the potential end of the world,) eating or working. This means he gets episodes of tiredness and sleeps a lot during the day. As you can imagine, all the sensory circumstances have to be right for him to sleep in the daytime which is very hard on me with 2 DC who want to play. Again, i feel it is my responsibility to enable this to happen - otherwise he will have a meltdown creating an even bigger problem for me.

Why am I with him? He is brilliant at what he does. He is top in his field at it, and he is fascinating to talk to when he gets going. He's so intelligent, life with him is often quite exciting; travel, opportunities etc. He is very loyal. He tells me every day that I am the love of his life and he doesn't know what he would do without me.

His eccentricity was beguiling at first. Before DC we could both do our own thing with no responsibilities, and I wouldn't suffer any of the fall out from his issues because i could take a break and go off somewhere and do something else during his meltdowns. But having DC with someone, as I've learnt, changes everything and we are now in a dynamic where I am the rescuer.

Post DC, I have taken responsibility and he hasn't. I now wait from minute to minute wondering what is going to happen next on the roller coaster of our lives that I will have to absorb. I spend my time managing, enabling, containing and placating him to keep the DC's lives as normal as possible.

Also I find that I am filled with anxiety over what will cause the next meltdown and how it will affect my life. Will he accuse the next friend I have round of wearing perfume that is making him ill? Is he going to do something today that will get him in trouble because his meltdown gets out of control and I'm not there? Can I really go to that birthday lunch my friend asked me to reserve a date for months ago without him having a huge meltdown over something that day which requires me to completely stop what i'm doing and talk it over and solve it for him?

I know the obvious solution is to just not engage, to leave him to deal with it and take care of me and the DC. But if I do not step in as rescuer, it escalates until it becomes much worse to do nothing. Sometimes he can work himself up to a point where he is crying and banging his head against a wall. Or he is shouting at me and blaming me for not caring about him or not being on his side. I don't want the DC to have to see this, so it's always just easier to placate him and try to calm him. If I did just walk off with the DC when he started kicking off, things would escalate and he would probably perceive me as leaving him/taking the DC away and god knows what he would do.

After some recent extreme meltdowns I have asked him to take some kind of mental health/behaviour assessment after I've done my research. He has begrudgingly accepted. We will pay privately. What should I get him assessed for?

OP posts:
anotherBadAvatar · 24/07/2016 07:30

This is not normal. Whatever the explanation is for his behaviour (asd, personality disorder or psychopath) you cannot bring children up in this environment. He will never change. You need to decide what is best for your children, but I suspect that since you have put up with it for so long, you won't leave anyway.

IdaDown · 24/07/2016 07:36

Run for the hills.

I don't say this lightly.

Only a clinician can diagnose.

Do you want the children and yourself to be living like this in 5/10/15 years time. Constantly bending yourselves to his moods. Sorting out the problems he makes.

Marmalade85 · 24/07/2016 07:39

Sounds just like my dad

FellOutOfBed2wice · 24/07/2016 07:50

This really sounds like a boy I taught for three years who had autism. I couldn't imagine how his parents lived with him and didn't strangle him- he was 16/17/18. This sounds even less tolerable than that as you could walk away. Whig I think I would be doing. Sounds beyond exhausting.

blueistheonlycolourwefeel · 24/07/2016 08:07

Certainly sounds like ASD, but that doesn't mean you have to stay because he's got a condition.
My exH was diagnosed with PTSD after a car accident. He was left with minimal injuries considering the accident, but had to be cut out and flown in by helicopter.
He turned into an absolute arsehole. We had a child together but he couldn't cope with family life and it was making me and my child miserable. So we split. I still have issues with how people are going to react to me because of how difficult he was.
You are allowed to leave.
(I'm intrigued how you've managed to get him to concentrate long enough to make two children!) Flowers

KindDogsTail · 24/07/2016 09:15

Anniegetyourgun Sun 24-Jul-16 07:15:35
It's probably a very nice elephant. However, anyone who wasn't brought up with a garden full of elephants is going to wonder why you don't pick up the phone to the zoo or the RSPCA or somebody and get the damned thing shipped out of there ASAP.

How well you have explained it Annie! Smile

BaggyAndWrinkled · 24/07/2016 09:33

Are you ok OP?
Lots of things for you to think about here but the overwhelming consensus is that things must change.
What will you do? Flowers

FantasticButtocks · 24/07/2016 09:55

I'm not surprised you're exhausted. This sounds intolerable to live with. If no one would be cross with you or blame you, what would you like to happen? What outcome do you hope for? Are you hoping he will stop being like this and understand what impact he has on you and the DCs? Or do you want him out of your life? Is his welfare a priority over that of the dcs? Are his problems more important than your welfare? It seems to me that you are the only functioning parent in your home, and that you have to shield your dcs from your DH. It seems you feel responsible for him. You wouldn't be able to leave him to look after the dcs if you had a broken leg or were in hospital or something.

Whatever the reason, he is a dangerous liability. I don't know how you're going to do it, but you need to bring up your dcs away from all this. And he really shouldn't be allowed to drive a car on actual roads where other innocent people are trying to get safely from a to b. I think he needs reporting for his dangerous driving and his licence needs to be taken away asap.

I'm sorry you're living like this, you sound so trapped Flowers In your conversations with his family/ friends etc, what do they suggest you do? Do they think it's ok that you and your dcs are living like this? I hope you manage to get help to extricate yourself from this situation.

Doinmummy · 24/07/2016 10:07

How has he managed to hold down a job Op ? He must be able to regulate his behaviour at work in order to function and actually do his job . Which means he should be able to regulate his behaviour at home but it seems he chooses not to.

TheWindInThePillows · 24/07/2016 10:15

Whatever the 'cause', the effect is that you are now in an abusive situation- in which his aggression, meltdowns, violence to inanimate objects, driving, being objectionable and awful in public, and so forth rule your life and the lives of your children.

The only way you can cope is to try to minimise it and keep him indoors but you must realise that as the children get older, he will interact like this with their teachers, their friends. their parents friends- and to be honest, I think it'll all blow up and they will get social services involved if you don't get out before that. I suspect your friends and family will be mightily relieved if you separate, and not in any way encourage you to try and intervention (like what?) or to live in an abusive situation, whatever the cause.

He declares he loves you every day, but nothing, not one thing he does is loving to you or the children.

I can't quite believe you think a man having a full blown meltdown, shouting, hitting things, a few times a day isn't scary to children. He must be bloody frightening.

If you are worried and treading on eggshells and anxious, that's how your children are. You cannot shield them from this as it is too frequent and constant (not like having a temper tantrum every six months).

Your post is frightening to read, I feel tense reading it, I feel you need help yourself (counselling, the drs, Women's Aid) to extricate yourself from this.

MaybeDoctor · 24/07/2016 11:09

I think that you need to take slow, unobtrusive steps towards separating yourself, even if you decide that you want to remain married.

If you have a spare room, begin sleeping in there some nights.

Consider where/how you might live.

Look at your finances and begin to think about how you would maintain two households.

By the way, some of the people/family who are so supportive will just be keen for you to maintain the status quo so that he is not their problem.

LellyMcKelly · 24/07/2016 11:43

It sounds like a condition, rather than him just being an arsehole. It does sound like ASD. I work in academia - full of brilliant, intelligent, people, and more than a few of them behave like this.

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 24/07/2016 12:33

People with asd can hold things together in certain circumstances eg school or work. Their behaviours then manifest at home where they feel safest.

FantasticButtocks · 24/07/2016 12:41

Do you and DH have any harmonious moments together? Any fun together? I'm wondering if there is any balance at all, or if you spend your entire time monitoring and managing your DH.

RiceCrispieTreats · 24/07/2016 12:49

I know from my own childhood, even living in an atmosphere of anxiety where one parent is placating the other, is very harmful.

So don't subject your children to it.

I empathise with you and understand that your own upbringing means you are accepting waaaaaay more bad behaviour than you should, and running around feeling responsible and trying to fix it.

But your children don't have a choice. Don't let them be damaged. Please leave: this man is not your responsibility, and being raised around him will damage your children irreparably. You KNOW this. Please stop the madness and get them out. You can't help him, but you have a duty to your children.

I was married to a similar man, btw, and had an erratic and unpredictable parent + a placating enabler as my models. I get it. I also know that the only answer is to get yourself and your babes the hell out of there. You cannot fix him. Please save yourselves.

Shizzlestix · 24/07/2016 13:12

You sound proud of his intelligence, but this just isn't relevant. I know plenty of high functioning autistic kids, they're exhausting. You know it's often genetic, right?

The overwhelming theme is the DCs and no matter what you say about them being 'baffled', that's tosh and you know it. They're too young to get this and they're scared, not confused. Hiding behind you rather than go to him is a bit of a clue, OP! For their sake plus so you can have a life, get out. Think of how the lives of your DCs are going to look if you continue like this. Should they become his carers? I feel lots of sympathy for you, but more for the kids.

eyebrowsonfleek · 24/07/2016 13:15

Does he recognise that he is not "normal"? He's an adult so you can't just take him to a doctor and force a change.

Next time he melts down, call an ambulance or drive him to A&E and get some help from a professional. You can't really manage him and expect your children to do the same. They must be walking on eggshells and terrified when their father has a meltdown. You minimising and managing your h's behaviour is creating another generation that is affected by dysfunction. When I was a shouty mum of toddlers/pre-schoolers I often sat down on the floor so I was about the same height as the kids and looked up to an imaginary adult. Adults are massive compared to kids and it must be terrifying to witness one shouting.

I have Aspergers and am a lone parent. It's a struggle putting the effort into stuff that doesn't phase "normal" people but I'm an adult with responsibilities so I have to do my best to help myself. Your h comes across as a narcissist who will use a diagnosis as an excuse rather than as an aspect of his life that he has to work on. Things can only get better if he helps himself and you stop minimising his behaviour.

VanellopeVonSchweetz99 · 24/07/2016 13:31

OP, I'm so sorry. It does sound like autism and (more serious imo) more than a few mental health issues.

And it seems the four of you are living in your own private asylum. If that isn't what you want for your children, you are the only one who can change things for them. Please do that. Flowers

MaybeDoctor · 24/07/2016 13:41

You seem to place a lot of value on his intelligence. But lots of people are intelligent and the 'best in their field' at what they do. But if they behave badly to a stranger, then a stranger will just assume they are a twat, rather than a genius for whom excuses must be made.

MaybeDoctor · 24/07/2016 13:55

He may well have a diagnosable condition, but some of the behaviour you describe is extremely manipulative eg, 'don't do X, Y and Z' or I will have a meltdown.

OnTheRise · 24/07/2016 14:02

He may well have a diagnosable condition, but some of the behaviour you describe is extremely manipulative eg, 'don't do X, Y and Z' or I will have a meltdown.

That was my thought too.

He might well have a diagnosable condition but that doesn't mean he's not also an arse. He's learned he can get what he wants out of life by having a meltdown, and he now expects you to come running whenever anything isn't exactly how he wants it.

I applaud you for feeling so concerned for him. But you have children to look after too, and it's clear from your posts that they are afraid of him, and are anxious and unhappy.

I grew up in an unhappy, anxious house and it was horrible. It's left me with lasting health problems, which have had a real impact on my life.

Please: get your children somewhere they'll feel safe. Either leave, or get your husband to leave. You can still help your husband once you've sorted out your living arrangements, if you feel you must: but your lovely little children have to be your priority now.

TheWindInThePillows · 24/07/2016 14:04

I also work in academia and know some people with aspergers/autism, but none of them behave like this constantly in meetings or when working with others, this is very extreme behaviour, and not consistent with any of the people I've known in my field. Socially acceptable behaviour is required nowadays, you can't have your phone ringing in an exam or meeting, or just speak 'at' people- because most people work in collaborations and with others, this idea of the 'lone genius' is outdated.

Your husband sounds like he just about managed at work which suggests he can rein in his behaviour, but obviously doesn't make the same effort at home, it is this which is controlling and worrying and not 'loving' at all.

I hope you get some answers from the assessment, but would definitely be making moves to protect myself and the children from the stress of living with this (you have stopped driving with him for this reason, as he couldn't change this, unfortunately I think removing yourself from more situations/living with him will be the only solution).

MephistoMarley · 24/07/2016 14:07

For the sake of your children's childhoods and mental health you have to divorce him. Whatever the cause of his behaviour may be, living with it WILL harm your kids. Think on.

Finola1step · 24/07/2016 14:17

I will repeat...your dc should be your priority now.

PoisonWitch · 24/07/2016 14:27

You can stay married to him and keep your relationship of that's what you want. You can't keep him in the same house as you and your children. If you feel constantly anxious how bad must it be for your children who have no power of their own.

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