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Mr V Mrs: Call the Mediator ~ anyone watching?

116 replies

fatnan76 · 21/06/2016 21:42

It's so painful to watch. At least Martin and Victoria's ex both seem to be waving red flags of controlling behavior.

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allnewredfairy · 02/07/2016 22:18

Lovethemuppets, thanks for being so open about your story. I'm finding the programme fascinating so I'm pleased it has been made and that people have been willing to share a painful process.

Bambooshoots14 · 02/07/2016 22:28

Tim was in a relationship?? Then moved in with you and the kids months later.

And do you want praise for not trying to take his mums house? Which is likely in his name too for tax purposes?

lovethemuppets · 02/07/2016 22:46

Praise?
No.

What would be nice is if you (with your very opinionated views) would stop bitching about things you have no idea about. To understand that there are nice people in the world who are made to look bad.
You are doing a great job at doing it all by yourself which says more about your character then mine.
Enjoy the next episode - you can bitch about that 1 too.

CiaoVerona · 03/07/2016 00:50

If you look at the equity split I think it was about 170 each though she wanted 200 k though his gripe was he'd put in that 200k and it was his money. Well, when you get married the assets become equal, I personally don't have a problem with the fact she got more then him she was buying a house for the her and the kids.
Shes all ready explained the back story......

piddlypoddlypoo · 03/07/2016 13:51

I'm pretty sure that I would come across just like Yvonne if I had been filmed (I've worked in TV so not on your nelly!). I am just so utterly fed up and sad about my relationship breakdown, at the constant texts about money, of telling me I'm a thief etc etc. If I sat in mediation I would say the bare minimum and I would ask for 60% just like Yvonne did because I am the prime carer. I do work but I can't work full time (I work 34 hours though) but that is a loss of 6k a year , x by how many years I will be a carer? Also there is the issue of having to live in a good school catchment area. Ex can work full time and can live in a cheaper area. So 60% is actually poor compensation for that.

His view - he put more money into the house, so he should get more. He "looked after me" for the four years I didn't work (because I left my job when and so it hardly seemed worth starting a new job to just pay massive childcare costs as I have to commute to any job 1 hour +). On paper perhaps it sounds unfair but I have applied for several better jobs and not got them as I have asked for flexible working - my career and earning power is forever affected - his isn't.

He is exercised about this and would present well. I'm just fed up. So I am pretty sure I would get the same response but I've also come out of a violent and abusive relationship . And yet if I did mediation I'd get lambasted on here. Sometimes the people who present well are perhaps the less interested in their "image". The people who present less well are perhaps just trying to survive and get through it. Yvonne got around 60% which is not unreasonable in the slightest when she is the prime carer for 3 kids.

And she's allowed a boyfriend!

donners312 · 03/07/2016 14:13

I admire Yvonne for coming out and telling her side of the story because she didn't come across that well due to the editing on the program and lets face it I don't think many of us would present well at the most stressful period of time on most of our lives.

Of course the primary carer of children needs more financial support than the person who can more easily work full time.

It is not easy to get a well paid job when you also have to look after children, I know lots if women do 'do it all" and my god do I admire you!!! (and hope to be able to do the same).

Wishing everyone going through this better times and good luck to Yvonne and her new life as well.

piddlypoddlypoo · 03/07/2016 14:20

Or two kids actually if I remember rightly sorry Yvonne !

lovethemuppets · 03/07/2016 18:22

It's nice to hear all the nice comments from the understanding people on here. To see that you can relate to the people on the show after it was so badly edited to make women - who are usually the main carer - seem so greedy.

The men do suffer a lot too. They've worked their butt's off, saved , provided a home for the family, paid for the majority since kids came along just to have it all taken away - the worse being not being able to see their kids everyday. And of course the kids have it bad too - the ones who suffer the most out of it all. I'm sure none of us want to see them suffer (only on the times we really hate their gutts) as much as they or to have them not see their kids often (unless kids are at harm) , but we've sacrificed so much to give them a family that we now need to be able to provide for a broken family still with their help.

No one wants to separate, divorce , fight over money and house and parental rights when we first got married - it never enters your mind. But things change and that's when things get ugly. People become jekyll and Hyde because everything becomes a fight because no one wants to loose everything.

The world is not a fairytale where all ends up happily ever after. The world is a hard cruel place where we will always fight - it just all depends on how bad a fight you want to make.

I'm so pleased that my session was only about money and not visiting rights where the kids got stuck in the middle.
I'm so pleased I didn't argue on camera or walk out. I'm pleased I was calm , although uninterested (because of the many arguements about the same subject at home) in the session because we'd have had to have had more then 3 sessions - once was bad enough considering we were still leaving in the same house.

Be interested to hear from any men on this subject as it's all one sided.

Yes - 2 children's enough for me.

nothingtoadd · 03/07/2016 19:28

Good luck to you Yvonne Thanks

Groovee · 03/07/2016 22:02

Found it interesting to watch.

My friend got a call from her narcissistic ex demanding to know why she wasn't at mediation. He'd neglected to tell her he had booked the session!

Derek22464 · 06/07/2016 05:59

Have joined this site specifically to respond to Yvonne's request:

"Be interested to hear from any men on this subject as it's all one sided."

I must start by saying that I'm not in a relationship and don't have any children, so some (many?) of you may think that I'm not qualified to comment in any way. I have had friends with children say to me, "you don't have kids so you don't know", which seems to suggest that I've never known affection and attachment or deep emotions?

But maybe that's a topic for another time: I also watched all three programmes and found myself profoundly depressed at the awful spectacle of grown adults squabbling and point-scoring, whilst claiming to love their children "more" than the other.

The programme's presentation and agenda was pretty blatant with its juxtaposition of stereotypical representations of "Love" (couples in public displaying affection, bridal shops, ballads on the soundtrack) counterpointed by the tension in the mediation sessions themselves.

What I found myself doing was paying more attention to the interviews direct to camera - it felt like you got more of a "sense" of who these people really were and what motivated them. They were certainly more open, revealing and communicative in that context than they were in the mediation sessions, which presented the mediators in a less than flattering light.

In fact, it could be argued that rather than shed a light on the mediation process (as the programme makers claimed), it presented people in their worst possible light and almost invited viewers to take sides, which is all terribly manipulative.

I have had relationships in the past and I wish anyone well who is in one, but, to me, they just seem to be one endless struggle for power and control. I do understand compromises and sacrifices, but I am very independent and I don't like being told how to think, feel or behave; I've always wanted to just be accepted as I am, funny little ways and all.

The programmes just reinforced my desire not to be with anyone, expecially if it all just ends up like this. That the person who was once one of the most important people in your life, who knows you well and intimately, can then end up using that knowledge against you is deeply offputting.

Glad mediation worked for you, Yvonne, and good luck with your new life.

RedMapleLeaf · 06/07/2016 07:04

joined this site specifically to respond to Yvonne's request:

Oh, I got the impression that she meant regarding the mediation process, not the programme in general Confused

Derek22464 · 06/07/2016 14:36

In which case the programme failed its remit.

If it was meant to reveal the mechanisms of mediation and the facilitating of mediators, then its portrayal of the participants was false narrative and agenda-driven because people were edited to appear to be selfish, greedy, egotistical and intransigent.

The family mediation process is probably more successful than how it was portrayed. I was thinking today that if the programme makers were serious about the subject they would have just followed one couple each week, not dilute the subject by having three.

Perhaps a similar programme about couple counselling, but not following this format, might be more enlightening and truthful.

And no, I've been lucky enough to never had to outside mediate over anything because I've never dug my heels in and thought I was solely right, nor come up against anyone who thought that either. I did meet someone who always wanted to have the last word, but I just let her.

RedMapleLeaf · 06/07/2016 15:14

In which case the programme failed its remit.

But what makes you think that was it's remit? Confused I had the impression that, whatever Yvonne might have believed, this programme was an irreverent portrayal of some people in a mediation process.

I'm not sure why you registered just to tell us that the programme had shots of bridal shops etc.

Derek22464 · 06/07/2016 15:40

9 pm watershed? BBC2, not One?

Why was it irreverent? What purpose does that serve to its subject and participants? And what impact may this have on anyone considering family mediation?

"Educate. Inform. Entertain." No, not really.

RedMapleLeaf · 06/07/2016 15:59

It educated, informed and entertained me.

user1467886144 · 07/07/2016 12:08

Well, I for one just feel like slapping every single person on this show, mediators included, which for me is a very odd reaction, as I don't believe in violence, apologies for coming across so aggressively.

I guess I am just appalled at how grown ups behave, with little or no respect for themselves, their previous life partner and above else, their children.

I cannot believe this is is how mediation is undertaken. I think it's very nice and useful to have people meet in a balanced environment where they don't feel judged, but at the same time I think it just enables adults to have a place for airing their immature beliefs.

It beggars belief, all of them, I don't know how many times I thought, but how are you thinking of the best for the children, it's all me, me, me. It's like the grown up has left the room and all we're left with are with stroppy teenagers refusing to give in or compromise, adults who clearly have not moved on past their hurt, but who forget they are parents above all else. And it seems no-one, not a mediator, a parent, a friend, can call them to reason and say "hey, you're being a selfish twat, these children deserve a mum and a dad, and a conflict free life".

Yvonne, I'll address you since you're on the forum. You did go on television, the show was probably edited as they'd see fit. Are we allowed to judge you? Of course not, but you cannot naively think that we are not entitled to form our opinions of everyone on the show. I normally stick by mums and abbhor the witch hunting mums seem to be subjected in today's society, but the only thing I'll add is, parents are the adults, parents make the decisions. Parents should ask for children's opinions, but also be aware of not burdening them with every problem and with making decisions on their behalf, as children can often say anything to agree with their parents, to spare them any further suffering. Nevertheless, thank you for going on the show, and I really wish you all the best.

As for the situations on the show, they angered me tremendously. I am a feminist and do think that women need to be better respected in our society. But to ask for respect, they should give respect back. I saw several women being tremendously manipulative and using their children as barganing tools.

I think they're being foolish, children could do with having as many people in their lives who love them, regardless of whether parents love each other or not. Separation/ divorce is never easy, it is without question one of the most painful things a person can endure, the breakdown of a relationship, the changes in the family finances, housing, the arrangements, and it can all get very bitter and disheartening. But I think sensible adults need to focus less on themselves and more on what's best for the children.

I suppose none of these parents are doing that, as otherwise they wouldn't need mediation, but I suppose it angers me that the role of the negotiatior is so neutral, I felt sorry for these people, being caught up in all this drama without being able to say, wait a minute, that goes against what you just said 5 mins ago. Wait a minute, you're so concerned that that your ex cannot bring his daughter into his new home, why did you book holidays and not care who's looking after your child while you're away? Wait a minute, you've left 6 years ago, didn't speak to your child or supported them, now you're requesting acess to your child and yet all you can talk about is the jewelry and the house? Wait a minute, can you stop making mediation being about me, me, me and instead focus on the best needs for the child, and then sort out everything else around their lives? How 'bout that?

Apologies, it seems I have very strong feelings on this matter, I think it's fair to say, people are lucky I am not a mediator.

I guess I just wish all parents would (wo)man up and be more mature.

Kungfupandaworksout16 · 07/07/2016 12:09

I was upset about the updates. I don't think they updated us enough (I get really engrossed in tv shows)
For instance the last episode with The lady Rabena (?) I wanted to know whether he had to sell the house so she could get more money. Jessica's ex came off as a plonker and very smug bringing up his girlfriend (her ex friend) at any given opportunity. I'm sad it's ended!

Toxicity · 07/07/2016 17:15

Yvonne, thank you for coming on here and giving us your side of the story. I think when we watch this type of show it is really easy to judge the people but reading your posts does remind me that there are two sides to every story especially when it comes to something as difficult as divorce.

A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 07/07/2016 17:16

Yvonne,

I basically strongly disagree with pretty much all you've said and every additional word confirms the show's edit to me but you had to live it and, regardless of my feelings, your kids are the ones who will suffer if it goes wrong, so - for their sake at least - good luck with the future!

HopeClearwater · 07/07/2016 17:43

My god, more judging in here than in the Old Bailey, and on less evidence...

Boolovessulley · 07/07/2016 21:41

I enjoy watching the programme.
Thank you Yvonne for your very honest update.
What everyone needs to remember is this: divorce /breakup is not amicable.
If a couple truly get along then they won't divorce especially where children are involved.
The people in this programme are at the end of their tether.

I totally agree that the children should come first but people are adults with feelings and agendas.
They no longer feel obliged to please their ex partner.

I can say from experience that what I tolerated as a wife , I would never, ever tolerate as an ex wife.

I told my ex h when we separated that my days as an unpaid childminder were well and truly over.

I was never in the situation of arguing over access. However I can fully understand how awkward some people can get.
The most simple question ' when are you seeing the dcs this holiday?'
Would result in the most sarky deliberately obtuse response you can imagine. Totally uncalled for and I can see how irritated parents get with their ex.

Emy0306 · 07/07/2016 22:11

I am glad yvonne posted on this as I have just watched it in catch up and she came across really badly so it's nice to know she's a decent person and we only saw one side of the story. I hope the same can be said for sue, she came across worse but think it was a result of never developing her own personality. She needed mental health services not mediation

HopeClearwater · 07/07/2016 23:47

Well said Boo

Derek22464 · 08/07/2016 00:06

I've been thinking a bit more about this and the fact that it used the word, "versus", in the title perhaps meant it laid out its stall right from the start.

You heard voice overs at the start from the mediators describing what an important function the service provided, which was then completely undermined by what you saw.

It seemed it was less about conflict resolution and more about just conflict, which makes for better televisual "drama". If I were the Family Mediation Service, I'd be livid about how we'd been represented. They were pretty much shown to be fools and useless at what they do.

My other concern was audience manipulation - that the programme makers were looking for a strong reaction, a black and white response, when there are years of problems and layers of discontent that form how people are with each other.

The trailers suggested that it might be a serious and sensitive look at a valuable service that is probably accessed by thousands of people every year, but hardly anyone came out of it well and it may have affected some people's choice to use the service in future. For a public service broadcaster that was very irresponsible, betrayed the goodwill of its participants and poor artistic decision making.

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