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Mr V Mrs: Call the Mediator ~ anyone watching?

116 replies

fatnan76 · 21/06/2016 21:42

It's so painful to watch. At least Martin and Victoria's ex both seem to be waving red flags of controlling behavior.

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RedMapleLeaf · 29/06/2016 11:01

Bloody hell, I've just seen the end. It did all work out nicely for Yvonne didn't it?!

RedMapleLeaf · 29/06/2016 11:03

I feel sorry for her ex (I don't even remember his name), "perhaps that extra money has made her be more acceptable to me having the kids more of hte time" Sad

Bambooshoots14 · 29/06/2016 11:53

I can't believe she took over half and then moved in with the boyfriend! Shock

BeckywiththeGoodHare · 29/06/2016 12:06

Either Yvonne had a very, very bad edit and Alan was the producer's brother or she guilt-tripped her ex by saying she was moving across the country, then didn't; then admitted the marriage had broken up because she didn't enjoy being a SAHM and was horrible to him; then rented a house instead for a few months; then moved in with new boyfriend; then used the cash to buy a house jointly with new boyfriend AND THEN made some off the cuff remark about new boyfriend having a sizeable deposit.

What I can't understand is why any of them thought it would be a good idea to have all this filmed and broadcast on television. At least on Judge Judy they get their fines paid for them. I'm presuming the BBC didn't pony up Yvonne's £205,000.

housewifedesperate · 29/06/2016 12:21

I've been through mediation and it's a really hard process. Why anyone would let themselves be filmed going through that is beyond me.
I know if we'd (stbxh and I ) had been filmed I would have come across as a money grabbing, lazy bitch not the scared mother trying to do the best by her children who have been dumped in a situation completely not of their making.
My stbxh comes across as a calm, rational and intelligent human being to people who don't know him. I have a tendency to appear not as calm so can imagine I would be portrayed as the 'bad' one even though I'm the one that's been dumped in crap from a great height.
There's always 2 sides to every story which I don't think programmes like this can ever convey properly or without prejudice. They do make sensational watching though as people love other people's misfortune.
The whole process is just awful.

absolutelynotfabulous · 29/06/2016 13:09

Wow!! I just couldn't believe Sue in episode 1. I couldn't decide whether she was outrageously grabby or pathetically needy. It looked as though she expected Bernard to snuff it and leave everything to her (and living as a kept woman meanwhile) and when that plan failed tried to grab all she could from the family she'd abandoned. All with the personality and presence of a wet dishrag.

And last night things worked out conveniently well for Yvonne. She was obviously using the proposed move to Somerset as a bargaining tool to get hubby to cough up, imho, whilst new lover was waiting in the wings.

And the guy who'd left his family and desperate to see his son! I just felt sorry for the son, used as a pawn in his parents' daft game. Why didn't they just sell the flat, split the proceeds and move on?

spookyelectric · 29/06/2016 16:42

Didn't look like Yvonne's ex knew about the lover - he thought he was buying some security for his children with Yvonne purchasing a house outright but then she buys a house jointly with the lover. Hope her money is ringfenced.

It must be awful when the children are being used as pawns (Teddy and Josh) but the dads in these 2 cases seemed to give up too easily. I would never give up on my children and would go to any ridiculous lengths (and cost) to see them and maintain a relationship. Heartbreaking.

juneau · 29/06/2016 18:31

I felt really sorry for Alan - Yvonne took him for an absolute ride. But why the hell didn't he suggest that instead of moving 3 hours away and losing her job, taking her kids out of school, away from their dad and friends, that she just have half the money and rent nearby - like she then went on to do! He just accepted her dodgy sums and coughed up.

Vicky came across as a controlling nutcase, but then her ex had clearly put her through the wringer with his drink and drug problems, so I had a bit of sympathy for her crazy lady act.

And then there was miserable Mandy who wanted to be given the jointly owned flat and dismal (Peter?) who'd walked out and then hardly bothered to contact his DS. What a sad, sad situation that was. But I don't see either of them budging an inch without a court order.

I8toys · 29/06/2016 19:58

God I dislike Yvonne - I didn't want to be a SAHM- you didn't have to be you could have worked like many of us do. She's just so emotionless and I want this cos I have kids - horrible.

A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 30/06/2016 18:22

So many of the women are attempting to redress old grievances through control over their kids. It's a bit pathetic.

RedMapleLeaf · 30/06/2016 18:41

It's not the biggest sample size!!

A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 30/06/2016 19:54

Yvonne is loathsome. LOATHSOME.

lovethemuppets · 01/07/2016 22:14

How can you all be so judgemental?
You have your own forum on here where you all support each other but as soon as you see someone on tv with issues your the meanest people ever.
Did it ever occur to you that it could be one of you of tv who kept it a secret from you all for fear of what you'd say.

What I don't understand is why you are not looking at the bigger picture on tv. The major problems they've had before they've gotten to mediation - which you seemed to have missed.

Have you done mediation? Do you know how horrible it is to it there in a room with a complete stranger whose there to help you get to an agreement because you can't do it at home.
To sit there and know that you loved that person so much that you promised to be with them til death do you part , but are now arguing over who gets what money and when to see the kids.
from all you horrible remarks about these people on tv I'm guessing not.
And has it not occurred to you that the programme is so clearly edited to make the women look greedy and the man loosing everything. No. Cos you haven't seen the bigger picture.
Couple1
Couples in separate rooms. Clearly she's had her confidence knocked out of her from her controlling ex partner so much that she didn't want to feel so useless and small next to him ever again.
Couple 2.
The women who left kids and hubby for ex boyfriend. Did you ever consider that she got fed up with being just a mum and wife and felt it was time to live her life as she felt unloved in the family home.
Couple 3.
Loathsome Yvonne and homeless Alan. The only couple who haven't argued over the kids, just 200k. The only couple who had their priorities right - the kids.

Yvonne - a stay at home mum because she was pushed out of her job when she told them she was pregnant - paid off with a small amount of money.
No career because no company wanted to take on a soon to be mum.
Alan has a £50k p/a job in big European firm.
Yvonne - any job taken after kids were born wouldn't have covered childcare cost as she wanted just a part time job.
Alan - wanted to be the man of house so instead of saying he'll pay child care cost said Yvonne could bring kids up, even though he knew she wanted a part time job to be herself and not just a wife or mum.
Alan gave Yvonne a minimum amount of money p/m for full shopping food bills, petrol ,kids clothes and activities leaving her with hardly any money to feel comfortable to go out with friends and family.
Feeling used and abused at home and not equal in anything in the house Yvonne attempts at solving problem were pushed away by Alan.
7 years later, 2 kids and Yvonne finally given up trying after countless attempts of getting Alan to understand her as he's more interested in saving money, holidaying at his mum's, pushing problems under the carpet and not listening to any marriage problems - Yvonne gives up.
Separate bedrooms, arguing and 3 physical fights later Yvonne decides its enough and that the marriage is over because it's getting worse as she was brought up in a loveless family and didn't want her kids growing up in the same environment - not knowing what a loving happy family relationship is really like.
They put the house on the market and get a buyer quickly.
Knowing that her part time job will never be enough to live anywhere unless on benefits (which she didnt want) and to allow the kids to continue their clubs she decides she needs to move to somerset to buy a house outright with the money she knows Alan can afford. A house is found whilst visiting god parents several time. Schools are looked at and places confirmed.

Now they argue about selling the house and money and can't agree on it. Alan refuses mediation but finally changes his mind.
After months of arguing about money they sit in the room - Yvonne fed up having to explain again why she needs to money- putting the kids first all the time.
Alan standing his ground trying to be the big man again , trying to be the smartest of them both - fighting everything, saying if he does pay extra that Yvonne needs to give that extra money to kids once they turn 18 which meant selling their home they'd be living in - all of which isn't shown on the tv.
After 3 sessions of mediation an agreement was finally made where Alan would pay the money, that money is protected against any future relationship either of them have so that kids would not loose out later on in their life.
Their house buyer falls through so they spend more months living together unhappily. A second buyer appears.
Alan dad gets ill and dies. The family dog is put to sleep at 11yrs old after getting ill. Knowing the kids would struggle with all the changes Yvonne has kids see a counsellor so they could talk about their feelings freely, which they liked and needed.
Yvonne changes her mind at moving because the kids aren't happy moving away that far - leaving their dad, leaving their friends, and having lost 2 loves of their lives.
Yvonne rents locally not knowing what to do when the money runs out, with a part time job in a house where the owners don't like tennents on benefits and not wanting to move in a council house.

Alan moves his stuff to his mum's house 75 miles away on the coast 1 way from kids and His work is 30miles the other away from kids - instead of renting a house close to kids he got work to pay for a hotel room during the week and spent the weekend at his parents, every other weekend taking the kids there.
Yvonne stays for kids - he moves away to save money. (Who's got the kids feeling in mind and not money? ))

Yvonne knew tim from work. His relationship having just finished, they start seeing each other. He lives with his mum and his kids come and stay with them every weekend.
They get on really well and their feelings grow quickly. They agree to put money together to buy a house - protecting their own money should things not work out further down the years.
All kids are happy with the situation.
Yvonne told alan about new relationship.
Alan picks up kids from house every other weekend and see kids on a Thursday - happy that kids are happy and in a house where there isn't arguing and fighting.

Alan finally buys a house at the start of the road where Yvonne lives.
If, as you think, Yvonne came away with more money and alan had nothing you're completely wrong. He's got more the Yvonne in his savings, 20yrs of pension, a company car , private health insurance, his name on his parents mortgage free house and any time he wants with the kids as he wants when he's not at work - which is 630 am to 630 pm mon to Fri.
Yvonne has a house , a small pension and nothing else. But the kids are happy and she's in a proper relationship.
Kids happy, Alan happy, Yvonne happy.
No one was used. No one was left skint. Nothing was easy. No one was disinterested - just fed up and pissed off of having to go through all the shit stuff again and again.
Yvonne and alans story is true.

So next time you watch Mr and Mrs please look at the bigger picture. Don't be mean. Listen to the stories not the edited version.
Not everyone is a mean bitch, not everyone has a hidden story that you are making up.
Put yourself in their situation - how would you feel knowing you were pulling apart the family home. Splitting the family up. What would you take from it all if you were walking away with the kids , knowing that your partner can afford it.

Mediation works if you leave your feeling at the door, know what it is your both trying to resolve.
The mediator come to a financially viable agreement where both couples can live comfortably not just 1.
Please open your minds next time you watch.

HopeClearwater · 02/07/2016 00:24

lovethemuppets Thank you for giving the whole story - are you a relative? - and reminding us that TV doesn't give the whole story, and is often very biased.
FWIW I feel that the shiny blonde lady (forgotten her name) came over exactly as a wife & mother would, having lived with that husband with drug & alcohol issues. These were hardly touched upon in the programme but if true would have weighed heavily on her mind and affected her attitude towards him in a way that some of us might understand, sadly.

CitySnicker · 02/07/2016 07:38

Alan said he had no pension.

Bambooshoots14 · 02/07/2016 07:39

love are you Yvonne?

Bambamrubblesmum · 02/07/2016 07:48

Didn't Yvonne have a boyfriend waiting in the wings?

wannabestressfree · 02/07/2016 07:50

I thinks saw Alan in margate yesterday.... I must admit I judged Yvonne as it all seemed to slot in so nicely and she came over as petulant....eg expecting extra money rather than benefits and buying a house outright.
Anyway good luck to you :/.

BeckywiththeGoodHare · 02/07/2016 08:54

Did it ever occur to you that it could be one of you of tv who kept it a secret from you all for fear of what you'd say.

But but but, if Yvonne wanted all that complex back story to be taken into account, why on earth allow her mediation sessions to be filmed knowing that only ten minutes, at the very best, is ever going to be shown on television? And that distilled into soundbites? Why allow the children to be exposed to that sort of scrutiny and have their parents' acrimony preserved on Youtube forever? That's the bit I really, really don't get.

So next time you watch Mr and Mrs please look at the bigger picture - how can we? The whole point is that IT ISN'T SHOWN.

TheUnsullied · 02/07/2016 10:09

I was about to come here and defend some of the comments about Yvonne but it appears she's here to do it herself Confused

FWIW, if my ex and I were to end up in mediation and it were filmed, I'd also come across as a cold calculated cow. Because that's the level of defence I'd have to throw up to deal with him. I'd come across as grabby too because he was extremely financially controlling (to the point of keeping things that were mine before the relationship began knowing I'd have to take the financial hit of replacing it all) and I'd be looking to redress that for the sake of DD whose savings I depleted so we weren't living in a series of completely empty rooms with no flooring or window coverings.

But then, there's not a chance in hell I'd allow a mediation session to be filmed and aired.

TheUnsullied · 02/07/2016 10:29

Or at least I hope you're Yvonne lovethemuppets because that's an awful lot of very specific personal information to volunteer about someone who's already identifiable if you're not her. I'm going to take the name change specifically for this comment as confirmation.

A11TheSmallTh1ngs · 02/07/2016 13:04

lovethemuppets

I'm sorry but if you are Yvonne, I stick by the fact that I think you are firmly in the wrong. Even despite what you've written here.

Firstly, stop playing the victim. You were sacked from ONE JOB. Are you saying that there are no companies in the whole UK who will hire mothers because if that's so, please tell the rest of the millions of working mums in the UK who get on with it. It's easy in retrospect to state that you never had any agency and everything was done to you but is that the reality?

Secondly, not once have you put the kids first. AT ALL. Why would you decide to move away without even checking with the kids. OF COURSE they wouldn't want to move away from their father, friends and family. If you'd bothered to ask BEFORE planning to move, then you'd have had that information.

Thirdly, again with the playing the victim. If you feel that you didn't get enough money, then go to court for it! Mediate for 50%. But instead we're supposed to believe that you took less than you could have. And even though you agreed on camera that there was no pension, there's apparently a huge one. And even though any savings would be marital property, apparently there's tons of that as well. Only no one mentions it because... reasons? And by the way, if there is a huge amount of money on the table that you didn't take even though you were entitled to it to stabilize the children's lives, you failed them by not taking it.

Finally, how is the right thing to do to move in with a random boyfriend not even a year after leaving your husband? Why not STAND ON YOUR OWN TWO FEET? GET A JOB. That way, you won't need a payout from this guy as well. But I'm guessing that in a few years there will be another breakup, another mediation and another long screed of how this guy screwed you over too. And somehow everything will have happened to you and none of it is your fault and you're the victim. Again.

lovethemuppets · 02/07/2016 19:30

Allthe smallthings - you seem one of those small minded people who doesn't believe whats simply in-front of you and cant except that things are what they are for other people.
Firstly - There is no victim. Life is life - ups and downs. good points bad points - the point of all the description is to show you that there is more to the story on the tv and YOU should not judge what you clearly already now is a very well edited tv programme.

There was no sacking of a job - more forced out. .
I give you credit that I painted a bad picture on no company offering work to pregnant people - that's not true - I'm sorry that come out wrong as there are companies who will employ pg women - I unfortunately was not lucky to find 1 that would take me on for 6 months although I tried. Don't judge me for my bad luck. I'm not a person to sit around all day and do nothing.
Secondly - I put my kids first - ALL the time. WHat I haven't said above is that I spoke to my kids about everything. The relationship, the money, the moving away, the new houses and schools, about mediation, their feelings and thoughts, about staying, about issues we would have if we stayed, the renting, the money, their dad moving away, my new relationship (and AGAIN there was no relationship until after I was renting as Tim was in a relationship). My kids excepted that we needed to move away - of course they were not 100% about going as they were leaving everything - but they understood it was necessary and were looking forward to it. This was another reason I decided they do councelling - so they could talk freely about whatever they wanted. I love my kids - I spoke to my kids -about it all. Why wouldn't I ask their opinions, talk to them about such a big thing happening in their life.

Thirdly - I came away with what I wanted. I knew there was a pension. I know there are savings. I know his name is on his mums house. I didn't want any of it . I didn't want anything else from him because I have already ruined his life saving. I just wanted money to start up and not everything. I'm not like so many other women who want the jewellery, the pension, the savings, the house, the car, the holiday....... I'm not the bad person you are judging me to be.

Finally - My relationship is a strong one. We brought a house together with a mortgage. I still have my job - I'm not a 'kept women' and haven't been for 4 years. I have struggled to pay my bills, because Alan was no help at all. He paid for the house - I paid for food, kids stuff, clubs, clothes, days out, all on a part time wage.
And I still do that today.
At mediation Alan agreed to give me the extra money provided its protected from other relationships. We agreed we would both do this - so our kids future is safe.
Tim agreed that this was the right thing to do because he is a decent guy who understands the terms.
tims isn't a random boyfriend. Ive worked with him for 3 years. We know each other. He's not random. I'm not stupid enough to go for any guy. Although you seem to think I am. My relationship is a much stronger one then it was with Alan. I am not being looked after and I HAVE A JOB!!!!

Clearly your life is the best thing since 'sliced bread'. I hope you never go through a marriage break- up, but a small part of me wished that you do so that you can realise how messed up it can be, how mean you become, how hard it is to explain to the kids why their world is falling apart.

lovethemuppets · 02/07/2016 19:35

Why did we all go on tv?
We were contacted 2 years ago by the bbc when we contact mediation.. They wanted to film mediation sessions because they were hoping to see if they could find a way to put together a programme where they could help people understand mediation because so many people don't know about it. At the time of our filming we were told that our footage wouldn't be on tv - that's why I never dressed better and had not a lot of make up on. We agreed.

After about a year they contacted us to say they had good footage and was going to put a programmed together.

All the time telling us it was all in good taste, and even for both sides. I was always unsure - until I was told that we were 1 of 2 couples that resolved our issues and all worked out well ( no arguing) they were keen to have it shown.
I was always worried about it - not knowing what was being shown on national tv until it was aired.

Do I wish I hadn't done it ? - no because it made people see what happens in the room. My sessions with alan, although badly edited to show me a bitch and alan a push over, was by far the best because it shows if you leave your feelings at the door and understand each others reasons then a solution can be found.

I only regret that I'm seen as the bitch in it, that I had no make up or nice clothes, and that I was edited so much.

we were all stitched up. too late now to moan about it because we've all been judged no matter how we looked, sounded, asked for, did, and continue to do with our lives.
sometimes you trust people with your privacy and it just go to bad. Oh well - life goes on.
Enjoy the next show.

CiaoVerona · 02/07/2016 20:39

Reality shows don't give a fuck about the participants they care about creating a narrative that has plenty of drama.

You can't blame the posters on this thread for forming opinions based on what they watched the people you should be mad at are production who edited out most of the story you have posted.

I am glad you've met someone and are now happy we all deserve happiness:)

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