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DP is so crap with money and it's ruining our relationship

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repeatingpatterns · 25/05/2016 20:40

Dp and I have been together for 5 years. I love him but his attitude to money is becoming a bigger and bigger problem, and I think we might have reached the tipping point. I am devastated at the thought of splitting but just don't see how I can trust him or build a real future with him.

When we got together I was a single parent in a good job, financially comfortable although certainly not wealthy etc. I rented a flat rather than owned (we're in London!) but have always been good with money, never go overdrawn etc. Dp is the exact opposite - unstable employment, debts etc. When we met he had a big plastic bag full of red letters from debt agencies etc, payday loans and so on. It did give me pause when we first met, but of course love conquered all at that stage, didn't it? I subbed him a fair bit, we rowed when he once took money from my purse without asking, he would visit the casino on a night out and spend £100+ but always seemed to win it back so that was 'ok'. I was uncomfortable about it all but I thought if he understood how I felt about gambling etc, or not really paying his way, things would change.

He wanted to retrain for a more secure career so I paid for his course, and subbed him now and then for living expenses (he didn't live with ds and I at the time). When he finished he got a fulltime professional job, we moved to a slightly bigger place so the three of us (me, ds, Dp) could have a 'proper' life together. It was more expensive but we did the sums together before we moved and on paper it looked like no problem. Dp actually wanted to move somewhere more expensive but I was wary of the strain that might put on us.

I knew that he wouldn't be able to match me for contributions to rent etc but we finally (after some angst and rows) came to an agreement that I thought was working. However, last month he's not paid anything towards the bills or rent. I have spent over £1600 covering household expenses etc. I asked him about it at the weekend and it ended up in a huge row. He told me that I was 'impossible' and tried to blame me for his lack of money, eg: we went on a weekend away a few weeks ago because I'd just had a miscarriage and he thought it would be nice for us. It was, but I told him before he booked it that he should spend the money on paying off debts etc.

However, what has transpired over the last couple of days is that he has been a) taking money out of our joint savings account, which we had earmarked for household necessities (that he insisted on!) and b) this afternoon I found out he has spent almost £300 pounds on online betting between Jan-March this year. He has packages arriving from Amazon etc every other day, comes home with a bottle of wine or beers pretty much every night. He said that's ok because he puts them on his credit card. He's only been allowed to have a credit card for the last year due to his previous debts.

He simply cannot make sensible decisions regarding money. Before I found out about the online betting, I told him that changes needed to be made and if I found out he'd kept anything else from me that would be it for us. He knew then about the betting, but didn't tell me. I feel as if I can't trust him anymore. I don't want to split, I do love him, but financial security is important to me (rightly or wrongly) and I don't know if I can live with a man who lies to me about something he knows is so important.

I feel like I've been taken for a mug. I feel as if he just expects me to fill in all the financial gaps, and he doesn't have to bother doing the grown up stuff like paying bills or keeping the roof over our head.

Part of me has just had enough. But would I be stupid to end a relationship over this? He is a good good man in many other ways and is great with ds, who will be really unhappy if we split. I don't know whether I'm a mug or a grabby cow.

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repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 07:45

He is going wild camping in the highlands for a couple of nights and then staying with friends. But yes, there will be nights out and food to be bought etc.

No parental examples on either side. My dad was always the responsible figure, the whole family did - and in a way still does - rely on him for stability etc. The thing ive learned from my family is to be responsible for your own actions and be self-reliant when you need to be!. DPs parents are also very reliable, stable types, as are his siblings.

What do I get out of it? Actually, I don't know anymore.

Yeah, I'm a rescuer. Always known that about me. Always gone for waifs and strays in my relationships - quirky, arty, unconventional, poor men who need a proper meal and a warm bed and the love of a good woman to sort them out Hmm. It never works, I know that.

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SpareCrust · 26/05/2016 07:48

I'm sorry you are going through this; it must be awful. And I'm sorry you had to go through a mc too.

I never post on relationships but I am currently waiting for a doctor's appt and I happened to read your post and what really struck me (fwiw) is that when you say he is "passive" - he isn't really is he ?Well only when it works to his advantage.

He has been taking money out of your joint account (going against what you had previously agreed and breaking your trust) and spending considerable sums on betting and ordering stuff from Amazon. That sounds quite active to me!

And to turn around and blame you for his own failings is despicable.

You are a single parent - you have responsibilities - it is only natural that you want to build up a cushion of savings. Don't let him make you second guess yourself about this.

I am afraid this is definitely "head over heart" territory.

I think the main issue here is his attitude, that at the age of 40 yrs, and with a professional job, he is still willing and thinks it is perfectly ok to be subsidised by you on many occasions and not feel uneasy or have any guilt about that. I doubt that is going to change.

Taking money from your joint account is a deal breaker imho. The main issue is loss of trust.

You sound so lovely op and you deserve better x

Thistledew · 26/05/2016 07:49

If the relationship is otherwise fantastic- and depending on what you want from it in the long term- why not get creative about things?

Live separately. Disentangle yourselves financially. He pays his rent and bills and you pay yours. Draw up firm boundaries about how often he eats at yours etc and who pays for meals out. Continue to see each other and have fun together, but just in a slightly unusual way.

repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 07:49

Sorry, that looks like a contradiction - when I was growing up my dad was a very stabilising influence, as an adult I am independent and self-reliant because I had a stable background, I think. I don't know where the rescuer tendency has come from, though.

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repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 07:51

Thank you spare, I don't feel very lovely at the moment, I feel like I'm about to throw a bomb under us all.

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Whattodowithaminute · 26/05/2016 07:53

You need to reset boundaries around what constitutes acceptable behaviour though don't you? That will help future relationships as well. How have you accepted bags full of debt letters? Gambling? Spending without consequence?

I did all of the above previously and no longer would accept it. Now-Gambling-never event, I open post not because I want to be his mother but because we have an open and transparent financial situation, he's welcome to open mine too. I'm clear that a weekend away needs planning and a budget and is a treat. If we can't afford it we don't go.

Initially I felt very overwhelmed by this increase in responsibility but the truth is I hadn't been paying te attention is should have been regarding our financial future either and he ran away with it.

Take your time, you can get professional help for you both, or leave, make q decision you are comfortable with but recognise your own characteristics as well which have enabled his behaviour.

repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 07:54

Yeah, he told me the other day that he thought it was unfair that have more spending money than him (hence taking money out of the joint account). I have a child to consider, those little buggers aren't cheap! Plus, I earn it, and still manage to pay my way!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/05/2016 07:55

And who will end up paying for the nights out and food; its you ultimately isn't it.

Re your comment:-

"What do I get out of it? Actually, I don't know anymore"
That in itself should tell you a great deal.

"Yeah, I'm a rescuer. Always known that about me. Always gone for waifs and strays in my relationships - quirky, arty, unconventional, poor men who need a proper meal and a warm bed and the love of a good woman to sort them out hmm. It never works, I know that"

Thought you were a rescuer; saw that a mile off actually. If I can see that and I am but words on a screen to you, they certainly can and I would think you are down many thousands of pounds as a result. These men took advantage of your nature but there is also another factor here; you allowing them to take advantage of you in this way.

You really do need to reassess your whole approach when it comes to relationships; I think also talking with a therapist about your wanting to rescue and save these waifs and strays from themselves will also help you a lot in moving forward. Ultimately you are going to have to realise for your own self properly that you cannot rescue and or save anyone.

ArgyMargy · 26/05/2016 07:59

You could make it work as long as he agreed to let you control all the money. So no credit lines for him, he hands over all income and you give him money for all agreed activities etc. You insist on this and he has to be totally bought in to it. If he wants to stay with you he has to change.

repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 08:01

Well, I wouldn't give him any money for his week away, but I suppose I'm paying for it in the wider scheme of things.

Oh god, I look like such an idiot. You must all think I'm pathetic. The joke is that in real life I'm somewhat intimidating (apparently!) Confused

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Crapmummy2016 · 26/05/2016 08:14

He himself has told you he thinks you would be an idiot to continue the relationship.

If you don't break up with him you are giving him permission to carry on gambling and spending your money, and treating you like the "idiot".

SerenityReynolds · 26/05/2016 08:15

You are not pathetic. You trusted him to act like an adult, and he couldn't manage it. I agree that you need to disentangle yourself from him, certainly financially to start with. The taking money secretly from the joint account to spend on gambling and frivolities for himself would be a dealbreaker for me. I wouldn't be able to trust him again, and I certainly wouldn't expect/want to micromanage the finances of my DP.

You've said it yourself, he has no drive to change. That alone would make me question how much he valued your relationship, aside from your subsidising him. Get rid and force him to act like a grown up for once. If he can't, at least it's only him that will be dragged down into debt, and not you too.

Shakey15000 · 26/05/2016 08:32

I don't think you're pathetic. I think you're a nurturer who is desperately trying to see past this massive fault of his and hoping he will magically change.

I don't think he will. His recent passiveness, I believe, is him quietly hoping you will calm down and forget about it.

And you may well, but do so knowing you will fund him. At least till you finally realise your love and hope has slowly drifted to resent. And you realise he hasn't respected you.

I know what I'd be doing. And it would be cutting my losses. Sad, but ultimately the right decision.

Oliviaerinpope · 26/05/2016 08:44

I wouldn't be able to stay in a relationship with someone like your Partner. My DH is very sensible (a bit too sensible) with money. I never have to worry about having enough money or paying bills as over the years he's made good investments & paid the mortgage off. I feel confident and secure, which surely is an important foundation in any relationship?

Dangerouswoman · 26/05/2016 08:45

Out of interest, what is he buying from Amazon every other day?

trappedinsuburbia · 26/05/2016 08:46

You think he will be devastated if you break up? He is waiting for you to do it and wondering how much more he can get out of you between then and now. Believe me he is mentally prepared for it, its you that isn't.
Get rid of this waste of space, stop feeling sorry for him and see him for the leech that he is.

Ughnotagain · 26/05/2016 08:47

Run for the hills. My pal's husband ran up a shitload of debt, wiped out their joint savings, ran their joint account into its max overdraft. Lied and lied and lied.

They (unsurprisingly) are now separated. He's very gradually paying her some of the money back. But it completely tore them apart.

bakeoffcake · 26/05/2016 09:02

If he wanted to change he'd start today by cancelling the holiday and using the money he would have spent, to put back into your joint savings account.
If he doesn't realise he SHOULD be doing that today, I don't think he will ever be capable of changing.

repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 09:24

Well I think I'd quite like him to fuck off for a few days, tbh. I need some space to decide what I want.

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Myusernameismyusername · 26/05/2016 09:30

But he shouldn't really go in the grand scheme of things. It's not a financially viable decision now

repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 09:38

The alternative is that he hangs around the house all week with a face like a kicked puppy, when I need some space from him. It's half-term, I have tonnes of work to do, ds has revision for exams. The atmosphere will be bad and I don't want ds to have to deal with that all week.

In the grand scheme of things I would prefer he goes. In fact, I need him to go.

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Myusernameismyusername · 26/05/2016 09:55

That's how I would feel about my teenage child!
It's totally your call though.
I think the other poster is right about getting some firm boundaries

bakeoffcake · 26/05/2016 09:55

That's fine repeating. If you feel you need the space then he should go.

LovesPeace · 26/05/2016 10:01

My ex did this.
It as only after we'd put in an offer on a house that he fessed up to owing £25k +, with nothing to show.
I supoorted him, helped him become debt free.

It was only later that I realised that a man who will lie about money is a liar about everything. He couldn't be honest or faithful, or selfless.

To sum up, mine was a liar and a cheat. Your sounds worse.

I got rid, and found a lovely man. You should too.

Ingray · 26/05/2016 10:04

Please OP, make sure you don't get pregnant anytime soon. You would be responsible for four people then and totally trapped.

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