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DP is so crap with money and it's ruining our relationship

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repeatingpatterns · 25/05/2016 20:40

Dp and I have been together for 5 years. I love him but his attitude to money is becoming a bigger and bigger problem, and I think we might have reached the tipping point. I am devastated at the thought of splitting but just don't see how I can trust him or build a real future with him.

When we got together I was a single parent in a good job, financially comfortable although certainly not wealthy etc. I rented a flat rather than owned (we're in London!) but have always been good with money, never go overdrawn etc. Dp is the exact opposite - unstable employment, debts etc. When we met he had a big plastic bag full of red letters from debt agencies etc, payday loans and so on. It did give me pause when we first met, but of course love conquered all at that stage, didn't it? I subbed him a fair bit, we rowed when he once took money from my purse without asking, he would visit the casino on a night out and spend £100+ but always seemed to win it back so that was 'ok'. I was uncomfortable about it all but I thought if he understood how I felt about gambling etc, or not really paying his way, things would change.

He wanted to retrain for a more secure career so I paid for his course, and subbed him now and then for living expenses (he didn't live with ds and I at the time). When he finished he got a fulltime professional job, we moved to a slightly bigger place so the three of us (me, ds, Dp) could have a 'proper' life together. It was more expensive but we did the sums together before we moved and on paper it looked like no problem. Dp actually wanted to move somewhere more expensive but I was wary of the strain that might put on us.

I knew that he wouldn't be able to match me for contributions to rent etc but we finally (after some angst and rows) came to an agreement that I thought was working. However, last month he's not paid anything towards the bills or rent. I have spent over £1600 covering household expenses etc. I asked him about it at the weekend and it ended up in a huge row. He told me that I was 'impossible' and tried to blame me for his lack of money, eg: we went on a weekend away a few weeks ago because I'd just had a miscarriage and he thought it would be nice for us. It was, but I told him before he booked it that he should spend the money on paying off debts etc.

However, what has transpired over the last couple of days is that he has been a) taking money out of our joint savings account, which we had earmarked for household necessities (that he insisted on!) and b) this afternoon I found out he has spent almost £300 pounds on online betting between Jan-March this year. He has packages arriving from Amazon etc every other day, comes home with a bottle of wine or beers pretty much every night. He said that's ok because he puts them on his credit card. He's only been allowed to have a credit card for the last year due to his previous debts.

He simply cannot make sensible decisions regarding money. Before I found out about the online betting, I told him that changes needed to be made and if I found out he'd kept anything else from me that would be it for us. He knew then about the betting, but didn't tell me. I feel as if I can't trust him anymore. I don't want to split, I do love him, but financial security is important to me (rightly or wrongly) and I don't know if I can live with a man who lies to me about something he knows is so important.

I feel like I've been taken for a mug. I feel as if he just expects me to fill in all the financial gaps, and he doesn't have to bother doing the grown up stuff like paying bills or keeping the roof over our head.

Part of me has just had enough. But would I be stupid to end a relationship over this? He is a good good man in many other ways and is great with ds, who will be really unhappy if we split. I don't know whether I'm a mug or a grabby cow.

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RiceCrispieTreats · 25/05/2016 23:01

He is not "crap with money". He is a thief and a gambler.

Your choices are not limited to "put up and shut up" or "keep him on a leash". There is also choice c: end the relationship. It's not working for you, is it?

confuugled1 · 25/05/2016 23:19

I'd make up a document to show all your recent expenditure and all his expenditure - and show how you've been paying out on bills and necessities while he has been gambling, drinking and wasting your joint savings. And make it show that he owes you a huge amount to get things back to fair - that's before you put in about how much you subsidised him to do the course...

I'd then say that you expect him to pay you back - whether or not he will do is a separate issue, but he has to at least understand from you that he needs to pay his own fair share for rent, bills and so on. If that means no gambling, bottle of wine on the way home and so on - well, that's the way it needs to be until he has paid you back and you have got all your savings back too.

Not surprised he wanted a joint account - he just wanted easy access to your money Sad

And then yes, I think it is time to move on. You're definitely not a grabby cow - he is the one that is grabby expecting you to pay for everything!

Theydontknowweknowtheyknow · 25/05/2016 23:31

Wow. I don't say LTB often but some things you just can't put up with OP and this is one of them.

So sorry OP Flowers but think about getting back to your safe and secure little unit - you and DS - how you were before.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 25/05/2016 23:34

It's very difficult to have any feelings other than bitter resentment when someone has insinuated themslves into your life just to end up ruthlessly exploiting you. Be in no doubt whatsoever: you are being exploited in the most cynical way.

He's a gambler, a liar and a thief. These are not qualities you should be exposing yourself to. Not if you want any sort of secure future for you and your child.

Where is his bloody self-respect? You paid for his course and you weren't even living together at the time! He saw you as his meal-ticket all right.

Get rid of him before he drags all three of you down into the gutter. It's only a matter of time before you have bailiffs at the door, or worse.

WriteforFun1 · 25/05/2016 23:44

He's 40. He's not crap with money, he's just ragingly irresponsible. No good can come of this. Listen to Gwen!

newname99 · 25/05/2016 23:53

I doubt this is fixable, especially if he is 40.He's spent his adult life not learning how to manage money, that's not an acccident (unless he has a learning difficulty).He had discovered that he can be frivolous and some 'mug' will bail him out.

This strategy had worked for him hasn't it??

If you stay you will get more of the same and I suspect it will get worse.Stealing from you is vile.

In a few years you will start to resent him and then hate what your life has become.You may become an anxiety ridden or angry 'mum' figure who 'nags' him not to spend money.

Its the classic transactional analysis, you are the parent to his child.Thats not a healthy relationship for 2 adults.

I'm sorry however as it's hard to leave especially when you worry about the impact on your son.Ots better for him however to be out of this situation as a gambler will drag you all down.

sittingonthedock · 25/05/2016 23:56

My DP was like this - without the gambling. But with an obsessive spending habit.

We nearly split up over it (we have 2 kids). He got made redundant and just couldn't keep juggling payments. He was already in a debt repayment plan but was still borrowing from wonga to cover the overdraft.

We are in a much better place now - but I keep all our finances separate. He has to give me a set amount each week. Occasionally he falls short but mostly it works. We are now even finally making plans for what happens when he finally pays off his debts. I could pay them off for him but I refuse to do so.

BUT - he had to really hit rock bottom before he could face up to the reality and take some responsibility. We still have difficulties over money but he is making an effort - and I can cope with it as long as I can see out the other side. If it happened again though I would leave.

Lilacpink40 · 26/05/2016 00:02

It sounds like you're feeling a bit guilty (e.g. how can he afford to move out), but you've done nothing wrong. You wanted a loving stable relationship and his priority is the freedom to waste money. It is a shame as obviously feelings are there, but feelings won't pay bills...

Myusernameismyusername · 26/05/2016 00:04

It is sad
I just think that if you put up with it you will turn into the mother of a 40 year old teenager and then the love and passion will quickly fade for you both.
I wouldn't worry about how he will survive if he moves out he should have thought about that when he did it and he was not thinking about you, was he?

Rainbowqueeen · 26/05/2016 00:06

He needs to move out. It is not your problem if he has no money. He has a job, he needs to use his income for the necessities of life not the luxuries.

Do not give him another chance, nothing will change. You need to put your son first.

repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 00:11

I have said before, during arguments, that I feel he's seen me as a meal ticket, or a cash machine.

He pays for the fun stuff, I guess. The meals out (sometimes), or the theatre tickets. The stuff he wants to do. It's great, but I'd rather know that the bills were paid and there's a safety net in the bank. Sometimes I think I'm odd like that, a bit of a hoarder, but I can't stand not having that cushion/rainy day fund. I'm good at delayed gratification! He doesn't think that way. When I asked him why he was taking money out of the account he said, 'Well it was just sitting there.'

Partly I blame myself though. I have always had a tendency to go for men who, let's say, welcomed my financial generosity. I don't know why. Ds's dad once spent over £800 of my money in one month, just on nights out. I have been, and obviously still am, a bit naive like that.

I wish it wasn't like this. In many ways this is a great relationship. He is kind, and affectionate, and smart, and funny. I disagree that it's intentional, or deliberate. But I do agree that it's unlikely to ever really change Sad

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bakeoffcake · 26/05/2016 00:13

You really are well out of this relationship.
My Dh was 'crap with money' when we first got together. But he never once took money from joint accounts or gambled or got into debts behind my back. I would not put up with that, it's the lying that is unforgivable and he knows it. You and your Ds deserve better OPFlowers

Myusernameismyusername · 26/05/2016 00:18

Ive been crap with money and made poor choices but I never stole. And I worked hard to put it right for myself when I got in a mess (denial is not a good thing!) but I was quite young and not a 40 year old

Maybe you are drawn to the fun carefree side of men like him. He likes to have fun. He just is in total full denial about real life at the same time. You need a good balance.

I don't like to bash men entirely as the same is true for anyone - if you haven't got your life together at 40, when will you? He doesn't have a plan, or any stability apart from what you give him. You are an attractive prospect as you are caring and mothering and safe and secure. And very very tolerant.
Maybe you have to change that now, to protect yourself

Lilacpink40 · 26/05/2016 00:32

No you're not a hoarder. Wanting to spend all your money on 'fun' is his issue. Your issue is accepting this from multiple men. Only you can work out why this is so.

WriteforFun1 · 26/05/2016 00:34

I can't bear not having savings, I'm lucky enough to be able to save some each month so I do. There's mouthing odd about that, we all get ill etc you don't know when you'll need it..or be unable to work.

Don't keep subbing him. It's easy to pay for the fun stuff. I'd close that joint account ASAP!

WriteforFun1 · 26/05/2016 00:34

*nothing not mouthing!!

SandyY2K · 26/05/2016 00:36

Gambling is a terrible habit when one cannot afford it. You need financial stability and have every right to want it.

He's bringing you down and ideally if he could get his act together you could work things out.

There are financial advisors/debt advisors who can help him with budgeting . That's if he wants help and accepts that he has a problem.

Whattodowithaminute · 26/05/2016 07:06

His attitude to resolution and improvement (with following a clear budget and accessing counselling to look at his relationship with responsibility and money) what you are willing to do regarding financial management will both be factors in the success of your future relationship-if you want one.

In my situation these things have moved us to a point where we have a future and sustainable relationship and I don't resent him or treat him like his mother. His attitude to spending has completely changed and spontaneous frivolous purchases don't happen any more-we talk about what we want and need together and decide if that's the right decision-I have choice, as does he.

Leaving isn't the only answer but it is really hard work and only you and your partner can assess whether you aware in a place to commit to the relationship and change of behaviour in this way.

repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 07:10

God, am shattered this morning. Luckily I don't have to go into the office today. Dp slept on the sofa, first time he has done that. I am really struggling now, I don't know what to do.

I know everyone says LTB and I know that is absolutely the logical thing. And I don't want to be one of those MN women who ask for help and then ignore all advice. But the thought of breaking up what I thought was a good little unit is heartbreaking. Why can't he just sort himself out??

Of course I am pondering the wisdom of giving him another chance. I know you'll all roll your eyes at me, I would too. Can men like this change? Some posters on this thread reckon they can - but I don't know if I can face having to take responsibility for yet another bit of 'wife work' in controlling his finances giving him an 'allowance'. I know it's worked for some of you but it just seems so infantilising, sorry, I don't mean to be offensive to people who've given me their story, I just...I feel like I do so much anyway, do I need yet more work simply caused by having a bloke around?

And yet, I do love him, I know I do. Probably the first time I have ever really loved someone despite all his faults. Aaaargh I don't know!

He's going away next week for a few days, will give me a chance to think. I don't know how we're going to get through the next few nights though. He's so passive, there's no spark of wanting to change really, but I know he'd be devastated to break up. God, I hate this.

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repeatingpatterns · 26/05/2016 07:12

whattodo, cross posts, thanks for your perspective. Part of me does hope that this shocks him into changing his ways but the other side of me thinks, Jesus, more fucking work for me, more effort to keep things going, yet again I'm showing a grown man how to be an adult. I don't know. I hate that he's put us in this position.

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Costacoffeeplease · 26/05/2016 07:17

He's so passive, there's no spark of wanting to change really,

And there you have it - you can't change him, he has to do it himself

Do you really want to be checking up on him and financially wiping his arse for him - a grown man?

I don't know how you can even find him attractive, it's just so weak and pathetic

Myusernameismyusername · 26/05/2016 07:21

He has to want to change
I'd expect to see someone scrambling the money into my account, making helpful suggestions of cut backs to recoup, saying they wanted to go get some help for gambling to deal with the issue
You should not have to tell someone to go do these things and hold their hand in the hope that they will

If you are determined to try to make it work then you will have to have a set limit 'you have one month to show me a real improvement in behaviour and attitude' otherwise he will just continue to drift along, with his girlfriend-mother doing all the hard graft and the Worrying

tribpot · 26/05/2016 07:24

He's going away, aka spending yet more money, whilst you 'think'. Why not ask him to move out, separate your finances completely and if he can show after six months that he is genuinely managing his money responsibly you can reconsider a live-in relationship?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/05/2016 07:33

repeatingpatterns,

What do you get out of this relationship now?. What needs of yours does this person still meet within you.

re your earlier comment:-
"I have always had a tendency to go for men who, let's say, welcomed my financial generosity".

Now why is that, what has happened in your past to make you feel like that?. A parental example?. You need to think on that a lot more.
Whatever the causes its been damaging for you and now in turn your son.
You'd like to think this as a great relationship but truth is it is not. I also think you now need to completely reassess your whole approach when it comes to relationships. What you have tried has not and will not work here.

You are not responsible for him ultimately.

Re this from you today:-
"But the thought of breaking up what I thought was a good little unit is heartbreaking. Why can't he just sort himself out??"

Why should he, he has currently no incentive to do so and he is living with you. He also does not want to either, he is onto a good thing with you and wants to keep it that way. He'll do and say anything to keep you sweet.

Why did you ever think this was a good little unit anyway; there were many red flags from the very beginning (some examples here are his big plastic bag full of red letters from debt agencies, he took your purse, he went to the casino, his online betting, he wanted to retrain so you paid for his course). You chose to ignore those and he has taken you for an absolute mug. He really hit paydirt when he met you didn't he?.

Re this:-
"Of course I am pondering the wisdom of giving him another chance. I know you'll all roll your eyes at me, I would too. Can men like this change?"

No. Trying to change even one aspect of your own behaviours is hard enough. You think at his age he is going to change as well, well no.
He is also not your project to try and improve.

He is now dragging you and in turn your son down with him; he will leave you on the breadline due to his own financial irresponsibility. My guess as well is that one or even worse both of his parents acted the self same when it comes to money; attitudes to money usually come from parental attitudes towards same. Was his father a gambler, what do you know about this man's background?.

Do you really love him or is that really based on an unhealthy co-dependency?. I do wonder whether you act out co-dependent patterns in relationships and that is in itself unhealthy. Do you also see yourself as a rescuer or saviour type?. I would read up on both co-dependency in relationships and enabling (doing that only gave you a false sense of control) and see how much of that resonates with your own self.

You write he is going away for the next few nights; where is that money for that come from?.

Is this what you want to teach your son about relationships; I would hope not. The man you are with basically sees you as a cash machine and he will spend and gamble your financial future away.

OneEpisode · 26/05/2016 07:36

I wonder if you should consider talking to a debt advisor?
I am pretty certain money transferred to a online betting site quotes the bacs reference number so is dumping the credit score on that bank account.
I also suspect that if you have a joint current account the credit bureaux are linking all of your finances together. I think a credit card just on his name is that, his, and the lender can't chase you, but I suspect missed payments on his credit card will be appearing on your credit report because of the joint account.

I don't know if it's worth checking this out, maybe it's relevant if you need to sign tenancy agreements etc.?

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